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  • HalfMonk HalfHitmanHalfMonk HalfHitman USAPosts: 2,324MI6 Agent
    If Malek went from winning a Best Actor Oscar in February to playing a henchman or a #2 villain in June, his agent needs a talking to.
  • JTMJTM Posts: 3,027MI6 Agent
    If Malek went from winning a Best Actor Oscar in February to playing a henchman or a #2 villain in June, his agent needs a talking to.

    Maybe Malek is willing to make an exception this time to have a part in a well established and renowned series like Bond?
  • AugustWalkerAugustWalker Posts: 880MI6 Agent
    Doesn’t even have to boil down to a henchman. He could be a Largo with Waltz giving the instructions...
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  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    Doesn’t even have to boil down to a henchman. He could be a Largo with Waltz giving the instructions...

    That’s what I was thinking. Largo or Klebb were main villains but with Blofeld being more powerful still. I don’t think Blofeld will have a big role in NTTD. He already had a showdown with Bond in SP. I don’t think they will do it again unless he kills Bond.
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  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,234MI6 Agent
    Maybe Malek IS Blofeld, and the Christoph Waltz scenes are flashbacks
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  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,757MI6 Agent
    Jarvio wrote:
    Maybe Malek IS Blofeld, and the Christoph Waltz scenes are flashbacks

    I would actually like it if Malek ended up being Blofeld and Waltz really was just a guy called Oberhauser.
  • AugustWalkerAugustWalker Posts: 880MI6 Agent
    Jarvio wrote:
    Maybe Malek IS Blofeld, and the Christoph Waltz scenes are flashbacks

    I would actually like it if Malek ended up being Blofeld and Waltz really was just a guy called Oberhauser.

    A bit rocky, but still a good way to redeem the whole brotherhood story.
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  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,686MI6 Agent
    Jarvio wrote:
    Maybe Malek IS Blofeld, and the Christoph Waltz scenes are flashbacks

    I would actually like it if Malek ended up being Blofeld and Waltz really was just a guy called Oberhauser.

    A bit rocky, but still a good way to redeem the whole brotherhood story.

    It's not about who's called Blofeld though; the main problem with that story is the slight naffness that Bond's step brother was 'secretly' behind everything that's happened to him! :)
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,736MI6 Agent
    IMO....the less reference to the whole "step brother" thing the better in NTTD.
    Regarding Malek's villain, I think August Walker and Matt S's Largo/Rosa Klebb example makes a lot of sense.
    As we know, in the Connery films, Bond did not go up against Blofeld directly until YOLT. I always enjoyed the mysterious puppet master version of Blofeld who's face was never seen.
  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,757MI6 Agent
    emtiem wrote:

    I would actually like it if Malek ended up being Blofeld and Waltz really was just a guy called Oberhauser.

    A bit rocky, but still a good way to redeem the whole brotherhood story.

    It's not about who's called Blofeld though; the main problem with that story is the slight naffness that Bond's step brother was 'secretly' behind everything that's happened to him! :)

    You are correct. The only way to move past the stupidity of Spectre’s “brother plot” is to act like it never happened. But since Waltz, Seydoux, etc. are coming back again, looks like that’s not going to happen. One of several reasons I’m not very excited for NTTD.
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,686MI6 Agent
    emtiem wrote:

    A bit rocky, but still a good way to redeem the whole brotherhood story.

    It's not about who's called Blofeld though; the main problem with that story is the slight naffness that Bond's step brother was 'secretly' behind everything that's happened to him! :)

    You are correct. The only way to move past the stupidity of Spectre’s “brother plot” is to act like it never happened. But since Waltz, Seydoux, etc. are coming back again, looks like that’s not going to happen. One of several reasons I’m not very excited for NTTD.

    I guess it's hard to ignore it totally, and Blofeld himself as a character and baddie I didn't dislike, and we've got unfinished business with him so I don't mind them coming back. I just hope they find a way to make it all more palatable! :)
  • Arbogast777Arbogast777 Minneapolis Posts: 252MI6 Agent
    From all if the Instagram pics of Matera shooting coming out - clapperboards place the Aston Martin chase in the upper 30's
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,736MI6 Agent
    "You are correct. The only way to move past the stupidity of Spectre’s “brother plot” is to act like it never happened. But since Waltz, Seydoux, etc. are coming back again, looks like that’s not going to happen. One of several reasons I’m not very excited for NTTD."

    It will always be there, however in SPECTRE it was a big plot point (IMO plot crutch) along with that film's other shortcomings, I believe that if NTTD has a better plot line and script (and given the writers involved that is a very good possibility) and Blofeld's involvement is more tertiary with Malek as the primary villain.... despite your reservations you could be pleasantly surprised. If NTTD is a Bond film on the level of CR or Skyfall, it won't take very long into the film to forget all about the bad stuff in SPECTRE.
  • CheverianCheverian Posts: 1,446MI6 Agent
    This might be a stupid question, but do we have confirmation that Waltz is even in NTTD? I remember a vague comment from him and an appearance in London that suggested he was playing coy about the role again.
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,686MI6 Agent
    HowardB wrote:
    "You are correct. The only way to move past the stupidity of Spectre’s “brother plot” is to act like it never happened. But since Waltz, Seydoux, etc. are coming back again, looks like that’s not going to happen. One of several reasons I’m not very excited for NTTD."

    It will always be there, however in SPECTRE it was a big plot point (IMO plot crutch) along with that film's other shortcomings, I believe that if NTTD has a better plot line and script (and given the writers involved that is a very good possibility) and Blofeld's involvement is more tertiary with Malek as the primary villain.... despite your reservations you could be pleasantly surprised. If NTTD is a Bond film on the level of CR or Skyfall, it won't take very long into the film to forget all about the bad stuff in SPECTRE.


    Yeah that's true: all of the 'architect of your pain' stuff is done and dusted and out in the open now: the only important thing about Blofeld is that he's a baddie and the head or ex-head of Spectre, just like he used to be. He hasn't got anything on Bond anymore and he's used up his surprises, so they're just back to being arch enemies, like the old days.
    Until Bond's long lost sister turns up of course...
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,537MI6 Agent
    Cheverian wrote:
    This might be a stupid question, but do we have confirmation that Waltz is even in NTTD? I remember a vague comment from him and an appearance in London that suggested he was playing coy about the role again.

    This article appears to confirm he is returning.
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/christoph-waltz-star-liam-hemsworth-quibi-thriller-1236471
  • Arbogast777Arbogast777 Minneapolis Posts: 252MI6 Agent
    Marcos at JB Brazil reporting that Madeline is in the movie throughout. I think that plus the clapperboard numbers we've been seeing can put to rest the PTS being Madeline dying in Matera...

    https://www.jamesbondbrasil.com/2019/09/exclusivo-papel-de-madeleine-swann-em-no-time-to-die-vai-alem-da-sequencia-inicial/
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,292MI6 Agent
    Hope he is right.

    Seems like a incredible long movie though considering she has not been seen on set / location yet {[]
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  • AugustWalkerAugustWalker Posts: 880MI6 Agent
    So no womanizing Bond....
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  • Arbogast777Arbogast777 Minneapolis Posts: 252MI6 Agent
    So no womanizing Bond....

    They don't necessarily have to be together...
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,292MI6 Agent
    Believe he is on his own in Jamaica and sleeps with Ana De Armas so guess if Lea is in the film a lot then they prob carry on their on / off thing maybe
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  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,736MI6 Agent
    So no womanizing Bond....

    We don't know if Bond and Madeleine are still together despite these latest rumors of her being present throughout the film.
    So....there could be some womanizing (although that has not been the MO of Craig's Bond).
    Even if she is not killed off in the pre-title sequence, there's no accounting for how much screen time she will actually get or how important she may be to the story.
  • AugustWalkerAugustWalker Posts: 880MI6 Agent
    I just hope they won’t do the OHMSS-approach
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  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,757MI6 Agent
    I hope Bond and Madeleine are estranged when the film begins, but that not because I need to see Bond “womanizing.” It’s more about the fact that Bond is basically a lone wolf and I can’t see him in a tranquil domestic relationship. Especially not Craig’s Bond, who is far rougher around the edges than his predecessors. I think it would feel very forced. And agreed on the OHMSS comment. I don’t know of anyone who wants to see that.
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,537MI6 Agent
    HowardB wrote:
    So no womanizing Bond....

    We don't know if Bond and Madeleine are still together despite these latest rumors of her being present throughout the film.
    So....there could be some womanizing (although that has not been the MO of Craig's Bond).
    Even if she is not killed off in the pre-title sequence, there's no accounting for how much screen time she will actually get or how important she may be to the story.

    Reading the Google translation of the James Bond Brasil article it seems we'll see Madeleine's place of work again, like Spectre. That can't be the PTS. And the latest clapperboard pictures out of Italy shown on the Other Place shows scene 37, so there is no way the Matera car chase is the PTS. So, it seems that the two main theories about the PTS, it's a car chase in Italy and Madeleine dies are completely and utterly wrong.

    Clearly Madeleine is present later in the film, and I did theorise before that Bond teams up with his ex to find the kidnapped scientist. Maybe Bond goes to see Madeleine with Leiter and then Bond and Madeleine go to Italy, but what happened to Leiter? Why isn't he in Matera? As for OHMSS, I think Madeleine may end up being like Camille in Quantum, she helps him and doesn't die.

    I am beginning to think that the PTS is Blofeld's escape from prison. It only needs an establishing shot, which can be CGI like the CNS tower opposite the old MI6 hq in Spectre, and then it is all 'prison' interior filming at Pinewood.
  • ShatterfangShatterfang Posts: 538MI6 Agent
    edited September 2019
    Someone wrote:
    HowardB wrote:
    So no womanizing Bond....

    We don't know if Bond and Madeleine are still together despite these latest rumors of her being present throughout the film.
    So....there could be some womanizing (although that has not been the MO of Craig's Bond).
    Even if she is not killed off in the pre-title sequence, there's no accounting for how much screen time she will actually get or how important she may be to the story.

    Reading the Google translation of the James Bond Brasil article it seems we'll see Madeleine's place of work again, like Spectre. That can't be the PTS. And the latest clapperboard pictures out of Italy shown on the Other Place shows scene 37, so there is no way the Matera car chase is the PTS. So, it seems that the two main theories about the PTS, it's a car chase in Italy and Madeleine dies are completely and utterly wrong.

    Clearly Madeleine is present later in the film, and I did theorise before that Bond teams up with his ex to find the kidnapped scientist. Maybe Bond goes to see Madeleine with Leiter and then Bond and Madeleine go to Italy, but what happened to Leiter? Why isn't he in Matera? As for OHMSS, I think Madeleine may end up being like Camille in Quantum, she helps him and doesn't die.

    I am beginning to think that the PTS is Blofeld's escape from prison. It only needs an establishing shot, which can be CGI like the CNS tower opposite the old MI6 hq in Spectre, and then it is all 'prison' interior filming at Pinewood.

    I always said the Norway thing would be first. 8-)
    Some ballpark timestamps with the proposed 0.75 minute per scene average:

    Hakadal, Norway - 15K - 11:15
    Port Antonio - 78 - 58:30
    Cuba - 108H - 1:21:00
    London - Bond pulls up in the Vantage - 139A - 1:44:15
    London Horse Brigade - 152 - 1:54:00
    London: Bond, M, Tanner on the riverfront - 155 - 1:56:15

    There isn't much time for there to be a PTS before the Ice lake. In Spectre, just walking through the streets of Mexico accounted for 11 scenes. Scene 15K looks to be the culmination of the chapter of scenes, like the whole lodge setting takes place from sc.1 to 15.

    My 2nd Point. There is a significant scene gap between Hakadal and Port Antonio. Its totally Italy.
  • Arbogast777Arbogast777 Minneapolis Posts: 252MI6 Agent
    Someone wrote:
    Reading the Google translation of the James Bond Brasil article it seems we'll see Madeleine's place of work again, like Spectre.

    Pro tip: You don't need to Google translate James Bond Brasil - it has translations built in accessible by the "translate" button at the bottom...


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  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,736MI6 Agent
    I have no burning desire to get anymore of a jump on the plot/scenes of the film. I am happy to find out from my seat in the cinema in April....but it is fun to speculate based on what little scraps of info that trickle out. What also makes it difficult is even when there is a bit of info that appears credible, we are seeing it out of context (like much of the scenes in Jamaica and Cuba/Jamaica). Here's something else to keep in mind as a possibility: it has been previously theorized that the frozen lake scene in Norway could be a flashback. To add to that further, Fukunaga likes to use flashbacks and the shuffling of timelines and did so in his adaptation of Jane Eyre and the first season of True Detective. So what we believe to be in real time could be a flashback. For example, the events that led Bond and Madeleine to part ways or Madeleine could die in the PTS but appear in flashbacks.....we just don't know and Fukunaga might shake things up a bit that way.
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    What if Madeline is the kidnapped scientist? She has a doctorate and it's been five years since the last film.
  • Miles MesservyMiles Messervy Posts: 1,757MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    What if Madeline is the kidnapped scientist? She has a doctorate and it's been five years since the last film.

    Yeah I’d say that’s plausible. Makes sense that Leiter would seek out Bond knowing his past with Madeleine. I’d also add that Madeleine will be either outright evil or morally ambiguous. The lesson Bond supposedly learned at the end of CR was that he couldn’t trust anyone. That type of Twist could bring it full circle.
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