FS: Omega Seamaster 300 Spectre Limited Edition NEW!

PercontePerconte HamburgPosts: 26MI6 Agent
Hey guys,

I'm about to sell one of the holy grails of Bond memorabilia. My genuine Omega Seamaster 300 Spectre Limited Edition, No. 1872 of the 7007 made (Ref.: 233.32.41.2101.001). The watch is brand new, it has never been worn and all the protective foils are still in place. There is not the tiniest scratch on the watch. It has always been kept in a watch winder. I bought the watch new in Hamburg and the original bill is included in the sale as is all the other paperwork such as the warranty cards and certificate of authenticity. It even comes with the original cardbord box in which the watches were sent to the dealers.

It is probably one of the best and most complete Spectre Seamasters in the world. Please don't hesitate to ask any questions, I also have many more photos which can be sent. The watch is located in Germany and can be picked up personally, but insured international shipping is no problem. Considering the condition of the watch and the ever rising prices around the world, I'm selling the watch for 8.700€ (about 7.500 GBP). I think it's a fair offer considering the fact that used watches of this kind get offered for a lot more.

Have a great day!


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  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,483MI6 Agent
    edited November 2019
    Perconte wrote:

    There is not the tiniest scratch on the watch. It has always been kept in a watch winder.

    If it’s been kept in a watch winder, that’s as good as wearing it. Might not have any superficial external wear, but the movement will. As such, it should certainly be classed as used I’m afraid.

    Still a great price though, but people should be aware that storing watches in watch winders long term isn’t the best of ideas.
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  • PercontePerconte HamburgPosts: 26MI6 Agent
    Thanks for the input but I probably should have been more clear. I didn't store the watch in a watch winder but I wound the watch up every couple of weeks and kept it in the winder for 1-2 days since that is what the jeweller encouraged me to do :)
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    Your jeweller is an idiot giving you such kind of advise.
    He just wanted to sell you a winder :))
    Hope that you have at least adjusted it to your watch with the rp/d

    And your ad is highly exaggerated.
    „Probably one of the best and most complete Spectre Seamaster in the world“That‘s really pathetic.
    I have 2 of them in my collection, they have never been touched or moved by a winder.

    And even ASP9mm has a better watch if this type in his silly collection.

    So hows that then?

    Don‘t get me wrong, your price is fair for what you offer and it‘s certainly in nice condition regardless.
    But the whole talk shows either that you only have little knowledge about watches and these limited Editions or you are bloating your description up to fool people who have no clue.

    Not sure what is better.
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  • HalfMonk HalfHitmanHalfMonk HalfHitman USAPosts: 2,324MI6 Agent
    WATCH COPS: Ever vigilant against poor word choices on forums.

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  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,483MI6 Agent
    Subtle as always Higgy-poo 8-)
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  • PercontePerconte HamburgPosts: 26MI6 Agent
    However, I reckon it's better to offer the watch for a fair price with an exaggerated description than selling it for an exaggerated price with a fair description ;)
  • chriscollins007chriscollins007 North Somerset , England Posts: 1,154MI6 Agent
    Interesting comment ASP , I have 3 omegas - 1 seamaster from DAD 2002 , 1 casion royale PO and the spectre 300 seamaster which i wear everyday.
    The other 2 I inter change now again, so is watch winders a bad idea then ?
    Or do you just wind them when you wear them ?
    Just interested really for you experts , cheers



    Asp9mm wrote:
    Perconte wrote:


    There is not the tiniest scratch on the watch. It has always been kept in a watch winder.

    If it’s been kept in a watch winder, that’s as good as wearing it. Might not have any superficial external wear, but the movement will. As such, it should certainly be classed as used I’m afraid.

    Still a great price though, but people should be aware that storing watches in watch winders long term isn’t the best of ideas.
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  • Victor BVictor B Posts: 476MI6 Agent
    I believe everyone being respectful independently on whether his statements are questionable or not should deserve respect as well. Obviously it´s been not the case here. To be honest reading such posts makes me feel ashamed. And ultimately as stated above I believe that goes against the interest of the forum when someone just because of posting something gets hammered in such a rude way. Just saying.
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,483MI6 Agent
    Perconte wrote:
    However, I reckon it's better to offer the watch for a fair price with an exaggerated description than selling it for an exaggerated price with a fair description ;)

    Nice one
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  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,483MI6 Agent
    Interesting comment ASP , I have 3 omegas - 1 seamaster from DAD 2002 , 1 casion royale PO and the spectre 300 seamaster which i wear everyday.
    The other 2 I inter change now again, so is watch winders a bad idea then ?
    Or do you just wind them when you wear them ?
    Just interested really for you experts , cheers



    Asp9mm wrote:
    Perconte wrote:


    There is not the tiniest scratch on the watch. It has always been kept in a watch winder.

    If it’s been kept in a watch winder, that’s as good as wearing it. Might not have any superficial external wear, but the movement will. As such, it should certainly be classed as used I’m afraid.

    Still a great price though, but people should be aware that storing watches in watch winders long term isn’t the best of ideas.

    The opinions on watch winders is varied, all I can tell you is that manufacturers do not recommend their use, and some frown upon it. That’s why you don’t see any of the manufacturers offer their own brand.

    They do create excess wear on a watch movement. If you’re not wearing the watch, why would you want to do that? If you are constantly changing which of your watches you wear regularly, then a watch winder is convenient, no doubt, but I’d advise using the intermittent setting and maybe using a 24 timer along with it so you further reduce the time it is winding your watch.

    For collectors pieces. Don’t use them full stop. Just wind your watch every six months or so to keep the oils from congealing.
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  • kaddkadd Posts: 917MI6 Agent
    This is interesting. I had heard a winder is good to keep the oils lubricating the mechanism but didn’t realise you only need to do this every 6 months. That was my concern so thanks for that info

    BTW I have seen Omega now offers their own winders....

    https://www.omegawatches.com/en-gb/omega-fine-leather-watch-boxes-7260375001

    https://www.omegawatches.com/en-gb/omega-fine-leather-watch-boxes-7010310001
  • Westward_DriftWestward_Drift Posts: 3,085MI6 Agent
    kadd wrote:
    This is interesting. I had heard a winder is good to keep the oils lubricating the mechanism but didn’t realise you only need to do this every 6 months. That was my concern so thanks for that info

    BTW I have seen Omega now offers their own winders....

    https://www.omegawatches.com/en-gb/omega-fine-leather-watch-boxes-7260375001

    https://www.omegawatches.com/en-gb/omega-fine-leather-watch-boxes-7010310001

    I try to wind my watches every month or two if not worn.

    Omega makes watch winders now....At least it's related to watches, unlike the Omega branded sunglasses.
  • chriscollins007chriscollins007 North Somerset , England Posts: 1,154MI6 Agent
    thanks for the advice , my spectre 300 has now stopped since Ive not worn it for a day and didn't use the winder 8-)
    I've winded it but its not going
    Do i need it serviced or just give a few days
    sorry going off topic

    Asp9mm wrote:
    Interesting comment ASP , I have 3 omegas - 1 seamaster from DAD 2002 , 1 casion royale PO and the spectre 300 seamaster which i wear everyday.
    The other 2 I inter change now again, so is watch winders a bad idea then ?
    Or do you just wind them when you wear them ?
    Just interested really for you experts , cheers



    Asp9mm wrote:

    If it’s been kept in a watch winder, that’s as good as wearing it. Might not have any superficial external wear, but the movement will. As such, it should certainly be classed as used I’m afraid.

    Still a great price though, but people should be aware that storing watches in watch winders long term isn’t the best of ideas.

    The opinions on watch winders is varied, all I can tell you is that manufacturers do not recommend their use, and some frown upon it. That’s why you don’t see any of the manufacturers offer their own brand.

    They do create excess wear on a watch movement. If you’re not wearing the watch, why would you want to do that? If you are constantly changing which of your watches you wear regularly, then a watch winder is convenient, no doubt, but I’d advise using the intermittent setting and maybe using a 24 timer along with it so you further reduce the time it is winding your watch.

    For collectors pieces. Don’t use them full stop. Just wind your watch every six months or so to keep the oils from congealing.
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  • johnraidersjohnraiders Posts: 97MI6 Agent
    Is it still under warranty ?

    thanks for the advice , my spectre 300 has now stopped since Ive not worn it for a day and didn't use the winder 8-)
    I've winded it but its not going
    Do i need it serviced or just give a few days
    sorry going off topic

    Asp9mm wrote:
    Interesting comment ASP , I have 3 omegas - 1 seamaster from DAD 2002 , 1 casion royale PO and the spectre 300 seamaster which i wear everyday.
    The other 2 I inter change now again, so is watch winders a bad idea then ?
    Or do you just wind them when you wear them ?
    Just interested really for you experts , cheers




    The opinions on watch winders is varied, all I can tell you is that manufacturers do not recommend their use, and some frown upon it. That’s why you don’t see any of the manufacturers offer their own brand.

    They do create excess wear on a watch movement. If you’re not wearing the watch, why would you want to do that? If you are constantly changing which of your watches you wear regularly, then a watch winder is convenient, no doubt, but I’d advise using the intermittent setting and maybe using a 24 timer along with it so you further reduce the time it is winding your watch.

    For collectors pieces. Don’t use them full stop. Just wind your watch every six months or so to keep the oils from congealing.
  • chriscollins007chriscollins007 North Somerset , England Posts: 1,154MI6 Agent
    Nope its 4 years old
    Is it still under warranty ?

    thanks for the advice , my spectre 300 has now stopped since Ive not worn it for a day and didn't use the winder 8-)
    I've winded it but its not going
    Do i need it serviced or just give a few days
    sorry going off topic

    Asp9mm wrote:

    The opinions on watch winders is varied, all I can tell you is that manufacturers do not recommend their use, and some frown upon it. That’s why you don’t see any of the manufacturers offer their own brand.

    They do create excess wear on a watch movement. If you’re not wearing the watch, why would you want to do that? If you are constantly changing which of your watches you wear regularly, then a watch winder is convenient, no doubt, but I’d advise using the intermittent setting and maybe using a 24 timer along with it so you further reduce the time it is winding your watch.

    For collectors pieces. Don’t use them full stop. Just wind your watch every six months or so to keep the oils from congealing.
    007 reporting for duty
  • Rolextraveler_1905Rolextraveler_1905 Posts: 11MI6 Agent
    Have you tried to hand wind it by using the crown? If that doesn't work Its time for a service which is strange being how young it is. Maybe its a factory issue..I'd contact Omega.
    Nope its 4 years old
    Is it still under warranty ?

    thanks for the advice , my spectre 300 has now stopped since Ive not worn it for a day and didn't use the winder 8-)
    I've winded it but its not going
    Do i need it serviced or just give a few days
    sorry going off topic

  • PercontePerconte HamburgPosts: 26MI6 Agent
    Still up for sale
  • CajunCajun Posts: 481MI6 Agent
    Victor B wrote:
    I believe everyone being respectful independently on whether his statements are questionable or not should deserve respect as well. Obviously it´s been not the case here. To be honest reading such posts makes me feel ashamed. And ultimately as stated above I believe that goes against the interest of the forum when someone just because of posting something gets hammered in such a rude way. Just saying.

    Couldn't agree more.

    This is what's known on 99% of internet forums as "sh*tting on someone's sale" and typically earns the sh*tter a red card. I've been duly advised that this is enabled here under the guise of "self-policing" the classifieds.

    Anyone who knows watches will message the seller with relevant questions before spending that kind of coin.

    The watch will sell eventually, Perconte. Patience.
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    edited December 2019
    Nobody is sh*tting on anybody‘s sale.

    The expert opinion has been given, why should we remain silent and let someone with less knowledge buy this under wrong assumptions.

    To come to a competent decision it can’t be bad knowing all the facts.

    Why should anyone side with a seller when important facts are left out and the description is highly exaggerated?
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    Victor B wrote:
    I believe everyone being respectful independently on whether his statements are questionable or not should deserve respect as well. Obviously it´s been not the case here. To be honest reading such posts makes me feel ashamed. And ultimately as stated above I believe that goes against the interest of the forum when someone just because of posting something gets hammered in such a rude way. Just saying.

    I‘d like to know, where exactly

    - „ we (I) have not been respectful“

    - „someone has gotten hammered“ with the exception of the jeweller who recommended using the winder for years.
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  • CajunCajun Posts: 481MI6 Agent
    edited December 2019
    Higgins wrote:
    Nobody is sh*tting on anybody‘s sale.

    Not on this site apparently. Again, on most forums, it's sh*tting and is followed by consequences. Usually found under their Forum or Marketplace Rules. Check it out for yourself.
    Higgins wrote:
    The expert opinion has been given, why should we remain silent and let someone with less knowledge buy this under wrong assumptions.

    Who here appointed themselves the resident experts?
    Higgins wrote:
    To come to a competent decision it can’t be bad knowing all the facts.

    That's not a forum members' job (again, on most forums). A buyer is perfectly capable of seeking out their own info from whatever source they choose if need be.
    Higgins wrote:
    Why should anyone side with a seller when important facts are left out and the description is highly exaggerated?

    Agreed, but then that all becomes subjective. One man's helpful advice is another man's criticism fest. Who then sets the parameters for what's acceptable/important/exaggerated and what's not? Who becomes the legitimate forum authority? The concept I'm getting at is Caveat Emptor. It operates on the premise that a seller is free to advertise as they see fit and it's incumbent upon the buyer alone to check the quality and suitability of goods to make a purchasing decision without undue influence. A nice side benefit of the concept is that no one can be accused of sticking their nose where it doesn't belong to help or hurt any competition. Feedback is traditionally the mechanism that helps keep sellers honest and accurate.

    Yeah, I get it. My points are moot because it's basically Lord of the Flies here. Cheers.
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    edited December 2019
    No need to get defensive.
    Your points are not moot, they are as valid as mine.

    In my opinion, you are totally wrong though.

    This forum is about exchanging opinions and about helping each other.
    The sales section is a part of this discussion forum which is, as far as I know, not actively encouraged as it is a slippery slope.

    Slippery slope because some sellers can try to take inexperienced members for a ride.

    Caveat Emptor may be a good thing , but it means that the buyer must do his job by researching an item that he wants to buy.
    I gave my opinion (based on professional expertise, Asp9mm and me have been working in the watch trade for decades), and some additional facts, nothing more and nothing else.

    As long as I am on this forum, I will voice my opinion when I think it‘s necessary and to be honest I have massive difficulties understanding your claim to shut up and let potential buyers walk into a sales trap just to keep the peace.

    I know that we live in an age of alternative reality, but that does not mean that everybody can say everything without being called out.

    This forum has been always about helping each other and I see my comments as being exactly that.
    Helping a potential buyer with less expertise to make his decision based on facts and not based on sales pitch.


    Your explanation about feedback being the only regulating tool is highly flawed:

    1. Feedback can and will be always manipulated
    2. we don‘t have a dedicated feedback tool here, because sales are just a very small part of this forum
    3. the first negative experience with a seller can mean, that one member has been cheated by a seller, probably because noone else spoke up.

    Feel free to disagree.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • BondClothingBondClothing Posts: 351MI6 Agent
    edited December 2019
    Higgins wrote:
    No need to get defensive.
    Your points are not moot, they are as valid as mine.

    In my opinion, you are totally wrong though.

    This forum is about exchanging opinions and about helping each other.
    The sales section is a part of this discussion forum which is, as far as I know, not actively encouraged as it is a slippery slope.

    Slippery slope because some sellers can try to take inexperienced members for a ride.

    Caveat Emptor may be a good thing , but it means that the buyer must do his job by researching an item that he wants to buy.
    I gave my opinion (based on professional expertise, Asp9mm and me have been working in the watch trade for decades), and some additional facts, nothing more and nothing else.

    As long as I am on this forum, I will voice my opinion when I think it‘s necessary and to be honest I have massive difficulties understanding your claim to shut up and let potential buyers walk into a sales trap just to keep the peace.

    I know that we live in an age of alternative reality, but that does not mean that everybody can say everything without being called out.

    This forum has been always about helping each other and I see my comments as being exactly that.
    Helping a potential buyer with less expertise to make his decision based on facts and not based on sales pitch.


    Your explanation about feedback being the only regulating tool is highly flawed:

    1. Feedback can and will be always manipulated
    2. we don‘t have a dedicated feedback tool here, because sales are just a very small part of this forum
    3. the first negative experience with a seller can mean, that one member has been cheated by a seller, probably because noone else spoke up.

    Feel free to disagree.
    Higgins, if this was an accurate description of your comments, then I don't think you would see all the replies above from members up in arms about what you said.
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    I can see 2 members „up in arms“ about my comments and I still don‘t understand what is really their point.

    I have called out the seller on exactly one point (and stand by it!):
    He claims that the condition of his set is so unique and above all others and I have pointed out, that complete unworn sets are not that rare like he says, particularly as it has been regularly used on a winder.

    I have called the advise of his dealer idiotic which it is and the dealer is.

    That is all that I can see.
    I have even commented positively about the price and the value, so what is it all about?
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,483MI6 Agent
    The only thing we highlighted was a highly misleading statement. That this watch was brand new and unworn. What a watchwinder does is mimic the watch being worn and does in fact wear out the movement quicker so the watch requires services more frequently.

    The simple fact that this watch is probably over worn and will require a service in the next couple of years as opposed to the next eight. There could be problems with the movement through the overuse of the watch winder. That is far removed from being brand new. It may be cosmetically brand new, but internally, it’s worn quite a lot.

    Now I could just stand back and watch someone pick this up without knowing the full facts, Or do the responsible thing and highlight them in a polite way and inform the seller so they can update the info. Better to sh** on a misleading ad, than to watch a member get shat on don’t you think.
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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    edited December 2019
    ..wanted to add that I am fully aware, that I have not been very polite in my comments.

    It‘s not the first time that this happened in the FS section that sellers are highly misleading (grail, unique and so on...) and exaggerating with their description.

    I take offense in these practices and react in a not overly polite manner.
    And I have not very much respect for people who are exaggerating in their FS posts. And I will not apologize for that!

    As the seller has not corrected any of his descriptions - though having been informed - I can only assume that his intention have not been that ‚innocent‘ and imo he well deserves a not so polite reply.
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Mileham007Mileham007 Posts: 103MI6 Agent
    It's just a shame that all the posts that you write aren't very nice.
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,686MI6 Agent
    Mileham007 wrote:
    It's just a shame that all the posts that you write aren't very nice.
    Yes, a shame this thread has been spoilt. I think the OP should probably start a new one: it’s a lovely watch and probably is one of the grails of Bond memorabilia, and it looks in a great condition.
  • PercontePerconte HamburgPosts: 26MI6 Agent
    Higgins wrote:
    ..wanted to add that I am fully aware, that I have not been very polite in my comments.

    It‘s not the first time that this happened in the FS section that sellers are highly misleading (grail, unique and so on...) and exaggerating with their description.

    I take offense in these practices and react in a not overly polite manner.
    And I have not very much respect for people who are exaggerating in their FS posts. And I will not apologize for that!

    As the seller has not corrected any of his descriptions - though having been informed - I can only assume that his intention have not been that ‚innocent‘ and imo he well deserves a not so polite reply.

    Well, I actually didn't want to join in on this discussion but since my 'innocence' is now being questioned, I kinda feel the urge to do so.

    Yes, I haven't altered my post! Why? Because it would be a cheap way out. I know this forum is open to discussions so why should I alter my description? I'm not trying to cover anything up. Whoever is interested in the watch will surely read through all the comments and make up his or her mind.

    When it comes to exaggerations or whatever, I think that everyone who ever sold something was trying to put the item in a positive light. Yes, maybe I'm not the lucky owner of the best Omega Seamaster Spectre 300 in existence. But I've observed the market and it has been the best one that I've seen in a very long time and I stand by that.

    And lastly and as I've said before, the watch hasn't been in a watch winder for the last 4 years straight. I've put it in there every month or so for a day or two since I was told that otherwise the oils clog up over time. I have been (in a very kind way) corrected my a forum member in a PM that the oils in the new Omega are synthetic and since then the watch was simply been kept in its case.
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,686MI6 Agent
    It looks like a great one to me. I’d love it.
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