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  • CheverianCheverian Posts: 1,446MI6 Agent
    Someone wrote:
    So, Heineken's NTTD campaign started in the first week of January, people were tweeting video they took of TV adverts on 7 Jan. That is 87 days before the UK release of NTTD.

    Just FYI, but Heineken's Spectre campaign began 36 days before Spectre's release.
    https://www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/heineken-unveils-64m-spectre-campaign-daniel-craig-ad/1364821

    And, Heineken's Skyfall campaign began on 20 September, 37 days before Skyfall's release.
    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_23_heineken_tv_commercial.php3

    So, NTTD's Heineken advert campaign, almost 3 months before the film's release, and Spectre and Skyfall, just over a month, five weeks. Why so much earlier this time?

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  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,686MI6 Agent
    Someone wrote:
    emtiem wrote:
    Did that change? I thought it was longer than that.

    https://007.talenthouse.com/i/design-artwork-inspired-by-daniel-craigs-bond-films


    So 'yes' then. When did they change it? Anyone know? Luckily I've had spare time today but it's not what I wanted to do.
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,537MI6 Agent
    NTTD could be almost three hours long according to Universal Pictures Russia.
    Anton Volkov found the Universal Russia webpage.
    https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/1217834091158163456?s=20

    I've previously speculated on the basis of the clapperboards that NTTD might be almost 3h long.
    https://www.ajb007.co.uk/post/966711/#p966711

    Has anyone else seen on Youtube these NTTD trailer related comments by DC, Lashana Lynch and Babs and Michael?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHCZu70qpOk

    The comments give credence to the idea of a very long Bond film. DC says that "the trailer shows some of the work we've done but there is so much more in the movie than that" and Barbara says the film is an "epic love story", which wouldn't seem possible if you consider what we know of the plot and how long the film would typically be, 2h 20min. And Michael says the film's "been three years in the making...planning it and writing it," which would set the start of work for the film in 2016, but the P&W announcement came in 2017.
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,537MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    Though they didn't announce a title for the song, they did say that Eilish is singing the "title song". The tweet reads:

    "The #NoTimeToDie title song will be performed by @billieeilish";

    By definition, "title song" means that the song will have the same name as the title of the film. But they could also just mean that she's doing the song that will be playing over the title sequence, and the song may still have a different name. So far we've only had one song from the Craig films that shares the title of the film. But seeing as the artist was chosen (at least partially) for her marketing power, I'm hoping they will also have her name the song after the title of the film (with the title prominently in the lyrics) to take advantage of the ability to use the song to market the film.

    Eh, 007.com wrote this about Sam Smith's song and called it the title song.
    https://www.007.com/sam-smith-to-sing-title-song-for-spectre/

    And refers to Adele's song being the title song.
    https://www.007.com/adele-and-roger-deakins-awarded/
  • ShatterfangShatterfang Posts: 538MI6 Agent
    wow
  • ShatterfangShatterfang Posts: 538MI6 Agent
    And if they are not the title, they are always the worst songs: OP, QoS, SP. CR is the 1 exception.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    And if they are not the title, they are always the worst songs: OP, QoS, SP. CR is the 1 exception.

    I'd say Nobody Does It Better is the best exception to this one.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,704MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    And if they are not the title, they are always the worst songs: OP, QoS, SP. CR is the 1 exception.

    I'd say Nobody Does It Better is the best exception to this one.

    Another exception is "We have all the time in the world" for OHMSS
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    I’ve just done a quick listen to her small catalogue of work and it is not to my taste. But at the end of the day, the title song is more of a publicity stunt than a part of the film (this is especially true given the diminished role the song has played in the film score of late). So if it generates positive interest in the film, I couldn’t care less who sings the song.

    I think she's an interesting and bold choice. I think it bodes well. After Sam Smith the bar is so low that she almost cannot fail.
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  • ShatterfangShatterfang Posts: 538MI6 Agent
    I didn't think of Nobody Does it Better because she at least says the Spy who Loved me in the song.
    All the Time in the World, not the title song, or the song playyed in the title.

    Anyway from my taste, I say she has a pretty damn chance of lowering the bar even under sam smith.
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    edited January 2020
    The song writes itself with the title:

    No Time to Die

    Shootin' bad boys
    'cause I'm a spy
    Use my Q toys
    No time to die.

    M says be good
    But I say why
    Not that I could
    No time to die.

    The name's James Bond
    Not Nellie Bly
    Rules? I'm not fond
    No time to die.

    Sleep with Ms. Swann
    I'm gonna try
    Then again gone
    No time to die.

    Mr. Robot
    Will make him cry
    Foil his mad plot
    No time to die

    And drink vodka
    Maybe get high
    Play cards, scuba
    No time to die.

    EDIT:. Forgot to add title.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    And if they are not the title, they are always the worst songs: OP, QoS, SP. CR is the 1 exception.

    I'd say Nobody Does It Better is the best exception to this one.

    Another exception is "We have all the time in the world" for OHMSS

    I was under the impression this discussion was about main themes? A number of Bond films have secondary songs.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,704MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    The song writes itself with the title:

    No Time to Die

    Shootin' bad boys
    'cause I'm a spy
    Use my Q toys
    No time to die.

    M says be good
    But I say why
    Not that I could
    No time to die.

    The name's James Bond
    Not Nellie Bly
    Rules? I'm not fond
    No time to die.

    Sleep with Ms. Swann
    I'm gonna try
    Then again gone
    No time to die.

    Mr. Robot
    Will make him cry
    Foil his mad plot
    No time to die

    And drink vodka
    Maybe get high
    Play cards, scuba
    No time to die.

    EDIT:. Forgot to add title.


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  • Mr MartiniMr Martini That nice house in the sky.Posts: 2,698MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    The song writes itself with the title:

    No Time to Die



    Sleep with Ms. Swann
    I'm gonna try
    Then again gone
    No time to die.

    This line made me snort. A woman singing that she's going to try to sleep with another woman.
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  • Charmed & DangerousCharmed & Dangerous Posts: 7,358MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    The song writes itself with the title:

    No Time to Die

    Shootin' bad boys
    'cause I'm a spy
    Use my Q toys
    No time to die.

    M says be good
    But I say why
    Not that I could
    No time to die.

    The name's James Bond
    Not Nellie Bly
    Rules? I'm not fond
    No time to die.

    Sleep with Ms. Swann
    I'm gonna try
    Then again gone
    No time to die.

    Mr. Robot
    Will make him cry
    Foil his mad plot
    No time to die

    And drink vodka
    Maybe get high
    Play cards, scuba
    No time to die.

    EDIT:. Forgot to add title.

    :)) :)) :))
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    ....and I thought I was the songwriter around here! :))
  • John Francis KennedyJohn Francis Kennedy South lanarkshire, ScotlandPosts: 88MI6 Agent
    Funny thing is, bond lyrics tend not to talk of bond or agents, they lean more towards existentialism and relationships
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,737MI6 Agent
    Noi wrote:

    Guitarist/songwriter Johnny Marr working with Zimmer on the score....now that's interesting. If anything, Marr is a super melodic guitar player and the antithesis of much of the fuzzed out, distorted shredder metal playing prevalent on a lot of contemporary action film soundtracks.
    Zimmer is also a guitar player and it will be interesting to see if this score is more guitar oriented....Marr's involvement does bode well for the score to be more melodic in nature. It may be telling (in a good way) that Marr also collaborated with Zimmer on the Inception score in which Zimmer has said he used Barry's OHMSS score as an inspiration....and it's no secret that Christopher Nolan was highly influenced by OHMSS and at the time considered Inception "his Bond film". :)
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    HowardB wrote:
    Noi wrote:

    Guitarist/songwriter Johnny Marr working with Zimmer on the score....now that's interesting. If anything, Marr is a super melodic guitar player and the antithesis of much of the fuzzed out, distorted shredder metal playing prevalent on a lot of contemporary action film soundtracks.
    Zimmer is also a guitar player and it will be interesting to see if this score is more guitar oriented....Marr's involvement does bode well for the score to be more melodic in nature. It may be telling (in a good way) that Marr also collaborated with Zimmer on the Inception score in which Zimmer has said he used Barry's OHMSS score as an inspiration....and it's no secret that Christopher Nolan was highly influenced by OHMSS and at the time considered Inception "his Bond film". :)

    Perhaps he'll bring a touch of Vic Flick to this?
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  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,416MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    HowardB wrote:
    Noi wrote:

    Guitarist/songwriter Johnny Marr working with Zimmer on the score....now that's interesting. If anything, Marr is a super melodic guitar player and the antithesis of much of the fuzzed out, distorted shredder metal playing prevalent on a lot of contemporary action film soundtracks.
    Zimmer is also a guitar player and it will be interesting to see if this score is more guitar oriented....Marr's involvement does bode well for the score to be more melodic in nature. It may be telling (in a good way) that Marr also collaborated with Zimmer on the Inception score in which Zimmer has said he used Barry's OHMSS score as an inspiration....and it's no secret that Christopher Nolan was highly influenced by OHMSS and at the time considered Inception "his Bond film". :)

    Perhaps he'll bring a touch of Vic Flick to this?
    That was my first thought as well, hopefully this means we'll get more prominent Bond theme incorporated into the score.
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,686MI6 Agent
    Matt S wrote:
    HowardB wrote:
    Noi wrote:

    Guitarist/songwriter Johnny Marr working with Zimmer on the score....now that's interesting. If anything, Marr is a super melodic guitar player and the antithesis of much of the fuzzed out, distorted shredder metal playing prevalent on a lot of contemporary action film soundtracks.
    Zimmer is also a guitar player and it will be interesting to see if this score is more guitar oriented....Marr's involvement does bode well for the score to be more melodic in nature. It may be telling (in a good way) that Marr also collaborated with Zimmer on the Inception score in which Zimmer has said he used Barry's OHMSS score as an inspiration....and it's no secret that Christopher Nolan was highly influenced by OHMSS and at the time considered Inception "his Bond film". :)

    Perhaps he'll bring a touch of Vic Flick to this?

    I’d be happy if he brings a touch of Johnny Marr! He’s much more of a guitar hero than Flick ever was.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    emtiem wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    HowardB wrote:

    Guitarist/songwriter Johnny Marr working with Zimmer on the score....now that's interesting. If anything, Marr is a super melodic guitar player and the antithesis of much of the fuzzed out, distorted shredder metal playing prevalent on a lot of contemporary action film soundtracks.
    Zimmer is also a guitar player and it will be interesting to see if this score is more guitar oriented....Marr's involvement does bode well for the score to be more melodic in nature. It may be telling (in a good way) that Marr also collaborated with Zimmer on the Inception score in which Zimmer has said he used Barry's OHMSS score as an inspiration....and it's no secret that Christopher Nolan was highly influenced by OHMSS and at the time considered Inception "his Bond film". :)

    Perhaps he'll bring a touch of Vic Flick to this?

    I’d be happy if he brings a touch of Johnny Marr! He’s much more of a guitar hero than Flick ever was.

    I'm starting to get the impression you're not much a fan of Bond music.
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  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,686MI6 Agent
    edited January 2020
    Matt S wrote:
    emtiem wrote:
    Matt S wrote:

    Perhaps he'll bring a touch of Vic Flick to this?

    I’d be happy if he brings a touch of Johnny Marr! He’s much more of a guitar hero than Flick ever was.

    I'm starting to get the impression you're not much a fan of Bond music.

    Based on what?! I’m a fan of Bond music being innovative: Barry wasn’t just copying what came before, and his music is fantastic as a result. Why on earth would anyone hope Johnny Marr would be copying a session musician? He’s Johnny Marr! :D If you think Vic Flick, good though he was, was anything near to being Johnny Marr then I get the impression you aren’t a fan of music in general! :)
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,596MI6 Agent
    emtiem wrote:
    Matt S wrote:
    emtiem wrote:

    I’d be happy if he brings a touch of Johnny Marr! He’s much more of a guitar hero than Flick ever was.

    I'm starting to get the impression you're not much a fan of Bond music.

    Based on what?! I’m a fan of Bond music being innovative: Barry wasn’t just copying what came before, and his music is fantastic as a result. Why on earth would anyone hope Johnny Marr would be copying a session musician? He’s Johnny Marr! :D If you think Vic Flick, good though he was, was anything near to being Johnny Marr then I get the impression you aren’t a fan of music in general! :)

    Barry invented the Bond sound. It's a sound that should be respected in a Bond film. It's why so many people hate Michel Legrand's NSNA score, and despite him being one of the greatest songwriters of all time, he messed up there. I could quickly name 50 composers that are better than John Barry and 50 guitar players that are better than Vic Flick, but the 25th Bond film isn't the place to invent a new sound since the series has a fantastic one already established. The performer of a Bond score doesn't matter so much as a fitting performance for Bond does.
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  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,737MI6 Agent
    edited January 2020
    Vic Flick basically did a faster/jazzier take on the Duane Eddie twangy/reverb drenched guitar sound for the Bond theme that basically created a sub genre of instrumental pop akin to "surf music" known as "spy instro music". Marr is known for his jangly, appregiated chord style. Marr is not known for overdriven, note sustaining solos. Flick being a studio pro, could probably play any style of music a recording/song might call for. Marr's style does not necessarily mean he's isn't capable of doing other things either. Marr is also an accomplished songwriter. It's not clear whether Marr is be actually co-writing some of the score or is just being used as a guitar player. Whatever it is, I wouldn't see it as a negative, I just wouldn't expect Marr to be providing any Vic Flick single note surfy twang to the score....but one never knows.

    As far as what Matt S said "Barry invented the Bond sound. It's a sound that should be respected in a Bond film. It's why so many people hate Michel Legrand's NSNA score, and despite him being one of the greatest songwriters of all time, he messed up there. I could quickly name 50 composers that are better than John Barry and 50 guitar players that are better than Vic Flick, but the 25th Bond film isn't the place to invent a new sound since the series has a fantastic one already established. The performer of a Bond score doesn't matter so much as a fitting performance for Bond does."

    I pretty much agree with that 100% with the caveat of allowing the composer some latitude to put their own personal stamp on it . Based upon a lot of what Zimmer has done, he should not find it difficult to meld his "style" to the Barry/Bond style, especially Barry's later more orchestral scores.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    Can I just say it's a pleasure to read intelligent discussion of Bond/Barry music? I'm not going to participate much (been there, done that, many times) but I'm enjoying the discussion from people who actually do know the subject. {[]
  • James SuzukiJames Suzuki New ZealandPosts: 2,406MI6 Agent
    I love the smiths and was thinking the other day that I'd love to be in a parallel universe where the smiths did the title song for a Dalton Bond film.
    This is excellent news. Another big name added to this film.
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  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,537MI6 Agent
    Here's a recent song by Johnny Marr. Very 80s IMHO.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3pIlK8cg6o

    And here is a much older 2013 track of his. You can really hear The Smiths influence in it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXEc9WZ1bkY

    The mind boggles as to what Zimmer is thinking of doing with NTTD by bringing Marr onboard.
  • welshboy78welshboy78 Posts: 10,292MI6 Agent
    Never realised Marr and Zimmer were chums and already collaborated in the past!

    Bizarre but cool collaboration! Have high hopes now :)
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