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So if they were working with Zimmer for a year now does that mean he's been working on the score for a year as well?

I think it's more likely they had a deadline to make the song choice, and originally they weren't bothered about the song being part of the score, but the timing of Romer's departure and Zimmer's availability made it possible and Finneas and Billie were probably selected late last year because they recorded it just before Christmas; so it's quite recent that the track was even laid down. I suspect that Romer's departure was earlier than anyone suspects, even earlier than JamesBondRadio's knowledge of it.

Yeah after re-reading it Finneas didn't say he worked with Zimmer for a year just that they've been working on the song for a year. Wonder if they worked with Romer as well?

Working with Romer wouldn't have surprised me. Romer is a big-name music producer and would have been a great asset to have in that regard for the title song.

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The current version is that Romer was fired in late November. So, either Eilish was hired when Romer was doing the score or Eilish was hired and the theme song was done in about three weeks, which seems unlikely, especially since Zimmer was supposed to be involved in writing it and he wasn't announced until mid-January.

I doubt that we will ever know the truth to this whole situation.

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Okay so studio work was with Zimmer, but they had to submit a demo in order to get the job. Fair enough.

I wonder if anyone else submitted a demo....

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The current version is that Romer was fired in late November. So, either Eilish was hired when Romer was doing the score or Eilish was hired and the theme song was done in about three weeks, which seems unlikely, especially since Zimmer was supposed to be involved in writing it and he wasn't announced until mid-January.

I doubt that we will ever know the truth to this whole situation.

What reports said that Zimmer was involved with writing the theme? As far as I've seen it has only been said that he has worked on it, and that Billie Eilish and Finneas wrote the theme.

"The #NoTimeToDie title song will be performed by @billieeilish. Billie has written the song with her brother @finneas and is the youngest artist in history to write and record a James Bond theme song."

No mention of Zimmer writing it. The evidence points to Zimmer producing the theme, and he has a lot of experience as a producer.

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What reports said that Zimmer was involved with writing the theme? As far as I've seen it has only been said that he has worked on it, and that Billie Eilish and Finneas wrote the theme.

"The #NoTimeToDie title song will be performed by @billieeilish. Billie has written the song with her brother @finneas and is the youngest artist in history to write and record a James Bond theme song."

No mention of Zimmer writing it. The evidence points to Zimmer producing the theme, and he has a lot of experience as a producer.

Based upon what I have read, that seems to be what transpired. Eilish and her brother wrote the song and submitted a demo to the Bond producers. I would guess that Zimmer will get a producer credit for his involvement in the actual recording made for the film. I do find it interesting that EON apparently did not specifically seek out Eilish. One also has to wonder if Zimmer was involved/had input in selecting the theme song and of course whether or not the theme song will appear in Zimmer's score itself. Considering Zimmer appears to have been on board since December, even the most irrationally panicky, the sky is falling types, should not have any worries that the music is being "rushed". Another related question, back in the "old" days, weren't the soundtrack albums released prior to the release of the film to build up anticipation and promote the films?

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@ Howard B, Yes, from the 1960's until recent years a movies soundtrack would hit retail ahead of the movies opening in theatres as part of the promotional campaign.

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@ Howard B, Yes, from the 1960's until recent years a movies soundtrack would hit retail ahead of the movies opening in theatres as part of the promotional campaign.

That's what I remember. Back in the vinyl days, I looked forward to getting the soundtrack album to the latest Bond film....you weren't just getting the music, but some great artwork also.

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@ Howard B, Yes, from the 1960's until recent years a movies soundtrack would hit retail ahead of the movies opening in theatres as part of the promotional campaign.

That's what I remember. Back in the vinyl days, I looked forward to getting the soundtrack album to the latest Bond film....you weren't just getting the music, but some great artwork also.

You would also get some spoilers. If the track names didn't give it away the tone of the music often would.

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@ Howard B, Yes, from the 1960's until recent years a movies soundtrack would hit retail ahead of the movies opening in theatres as part of the promotional campaign.

That's what I remember. Back in the vinyl days, I looked forward to getting the soundtrack album to the latest Bond film....you weren't just getting the music, but some great artwork also.

You would also get some spoilers. If the track names didn't give it away the tone of the music often would.

Track titles like "Qui-gon Jin's funeral" were still being used in 1999. I'm glad they've somewhat changed their approach since.

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More evidence that NTTD will be 2h 54mins long, Latvian cinema chain and country's distributor both publish the running time.
https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/122 … 02785?s=20

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More evidence that NTTD will be 2h 54mins long, Latvian cinema chain and country's distributor both publish the running time.
https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/122 … 02785?s=20

If that turns out to be true, it’ll be interesting to see how they fill up essentially three hours of runtime—the longest Bond yet.

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Would they even have finished a final cut yet to even determine run time

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HowardB wrote:
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@ Howard B, Yes, from the 1960's until recent years a movies soundtrack would hit retail ahead of the movies opening in theatres as part of the promotional campaign.

That's what I remember. Back in the vinyl days, I looked forward to getting the soundtrack album to the latest Bond film....you weren't just getting the music, but some great artwork also.

I remember Zimmer specifically had Interstellar's score (except for two tracks not in the movie) held back until two weeks after the films release so audiences would experience the music on the big screen first. Ever since then I usually see scores released on the day of or after a films premiere instead of before. I'm guessing NTTD will be the same.

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Would they even have finished a final cut yet to even determine run time

Maybe not down to the minute but the difference between the normal 2h 20-something minutes and the apparent 2h 54min NTTD running time is huge. The approved production script would have indicated a final running time and we know the scenes go up to 254 because of clapperboard pictures, so based on that alone it's going to be a 2h 50-something minute movie.

And we now know that the script was a Purvis & Wade, Fukunaga collaboration (with polishing by Scott Burns and Phoebe Waller-Bridge). The NTTD scenes 205 to 255 (144 minutes to 178 minutes) do not exist because Fukunaga took an axe to an earlier Boyle script and added rafts of his own third act scenes; every scene in the NTTD script was planned and crafted, an outcome of Fukunaga and P&W's work together.

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More evidence that NTTD will be 2h 54mins long, Latvian cinema chain and country's distributor both publish the running time.
https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/122 … 02785?s=20

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Gymkata wrote:
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More evidence that NTTD will be 2h 54mins long, Latvian cinema chain and country's distributor both publish the running time.
https://twitter.com/antovolk/status/122 … 02785?s=20

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That number could include 30 minutes of trailers for a more reasonable 144min.

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Indian IP law firm claims that there is a "limited edition packaging" planned for the Heineken 0.0 NTTD marketing campaign.
https://www.bananaip.com/ip-news-center … -and-more/

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What are people's thoughts on the Blofeld DOB thing? Do you think it's a mistake, or do you think there's far more to it?

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What are people's thoughts on the Blofeld DOB thing? Do you think it's a mistake, or do you think there's far more to it?

No thoughts myself.....but could that be more for the spoiler thread?

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Jarvio wrote:

What are people's thoughts on the Blofeld DOB thing? Do you think it's a mistake, or do you think there's far more to it?

Here's mine:

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Did anyone else notice that Blofeld's DoB is given as 1946, ie 10 years older than Christoph Waltz really is and 20+ years older than Craig/Bond? Seems strange. Oberhauser/Blofeld is supposed to be a few years older than Bond, fair enough, but not 20 years.

PS Golrush007 points out that Calvin has noticed this too.

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What are people's thoughts on the Blofeld DOB thing? Do you think it's a mistake, or do you think there's far more to it?

It's a perfect excuse to undo BrotherGate. Please use it!


Only question is why would CraigBond mistake Blofeld for Oberhauser Jr?
More clone stuff? maybe Oberhauser Jr was a clone of this unrelated old guy named Blofeld?
then why was Oberhauser Sr raising him?

If so, hopefully Blofeld from SPECTRE was a second clone who just happened to look exactly like Bond's old foster brother, and he was deliberately messing with Bond by exploiting the confusion.
But that's still too much of a coincidence for my tastes, still annoying.

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Do people here like the idea of cloning in Bond? Do we want another over-the-top Bond film?

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It all sounds very X-Files to me, the way I'm imagining it. (Mulder's sister was cloned, and it turned out his father was in on the big conspiracy)

Also like an update to Diamonds are Forever, which featured at least four Blofelds. Which Die Another Day already did, and neither of those are the best Bond film ever.

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Do people here like the idea of cloning in Bond? Do we want another over-the-top Bond film?

I watched a 60 Minutes piece not too long ago about genetic engineering that was quite shocking. Depending on what exactly they’re going for, it might not be too far from reality.