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Topic: Reboot or Continuation

This may be possibly answered after NTTD. But what do we think as a community?

They have rebooted Bond once with Craig, and it launched the most successful era of Bond ever when accounting for the box office.

Do they go the same route with the next Bond and tell a different story? Do we go back to Bond as a continuation of the last one. 

I think with the way movies are today with big franchises, sequels, shared universes, etc. I dont know if we will ever see Bond's story just "continue" through another actor.

I personally think they will reboot again with a mid 30s actor. I'm not going to try and predict the story they will go with, but with NTTD being highlighted as Craig's last film,, and Bond's aging body being mentioned in the last 3 films, I feel it is the way they will go. in fact, I am starting to agree with the people that think Bond will actually die in NTTD. Who knows.

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Craig's story cannot continue with another actor. The only way to not reboot would be to activate the codename theory into reality. A reboot is necessary to keep the character the same person and still give him a story arc.

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Reboot.....most likely with an actor in his mid 30's. Have no idea how they will do it and what "type" Bond. Long shot, but not out of the realm of possibility would be to reboot and return to the time period of the novels....not the time of the first films, but the early 1950's.
That would be interesting IMO. That being said, I would prefer they not remake the novels but stick with new stories.

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I think there's going to be a reboot, but it's just a question of how soft or hard the reboot will be. It would be nice to have M stay the same, and the traditional MI6 offices.

“The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. "
-Casino Royale, Ian Fleming

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For the first time in my life (Bond fanstic for 50 years and counting) i'm really starting not to care very much. From what i have seen (admittedly only the Trailers) it would be perfectly possible to create a coherent trailer for NTTD from the last three movies as so much seems (overly) familiar (Bond inder ice  Bond taking the cover off the DB5, Bond improbably jumping off something , Blofeld (again) a catatonic sleepd eprived Gnome predicting the end of him. Aged Warhorse out for one ladt gallop (again)...i could go on but you get the point. Pop will eat itself and all that.
So unless 25 is a miracle, i for one would not mind if they left it there with a fine swansong until Netflix pick it up and do lavish historical and Fleming faithful versions.

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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zaphod99 wrote:

For the first time in my life (Bond fanstic for 50 years and counting) i'm really starting not to care very much. From what i have seen (admittedly only the Trailers) it would be perfectly possible to create a coherent trailer for NTTD from the last three movies as so much seems (overly) familiar (Bond inder ice  Bond taking the cover off the DB5, Bond improbably jumping off something , Blofeld (again) a catatonic sleepd eprived Gnome predicting the end of him. Aged Warhorse out for one last gallop (again)...i could go on but you get the point. Pop will eat itself and all that.
So unless 25 is a miracle, i for one would not mind if they left it there with a fine swansong until Netflix pick it up and do lavish historical and Fleming faithful versions.

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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HowardB wrote:

Reboot.....most likely with an actor in his mid 30's. Have no idea how they will do it and what "type" Bond. Long shot, but not out of the realm of possibility would be to reboot and return to the time period of the novels....not the time of the first films, but the early 1950's.
That would be interesting IMO. That being said, I would prefer they not remake the novels but stick with new stories.

I have always been a fan of this idea. I think it would be very cool to have him back in that era. At the same time I also get the argument of Bond always being current and facing today's challenges in weaponry and technology.

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HowardB wrote:

Reboot.....most likely with an actor in his mid 30's. Have no idea how they will do it and what "type" Bond. Long shot, but not out of the realm of possibility would be to reboot and return to the time period of the novels....not the time of the first films, but the early 1950's.
That would be interesting IMO. That being said, I would prefer they not remake the novels but stick with new stories.

I have always been a fan of this idea. I think it would be very cool to have him back in that era. At the same time I also get the argument of Bond always being current and facing today's challenges in weaponry and technology.

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zaphod99 wrote:

For the first time in my life (Bond fanstic for 50 years and counting) i'm really starting not to care very much. From what i have seen (admittedly only the Trailers) it would be perfectly possible to create a coherent trailer for NTTD from the last three movies as so much seems (overly) familiar (Bond inder ice  Bond taking the cover off the DB5, Bond improbably jumping off something , Blofeld (again) a catatonic sleepd eprived Gnome predicting the end of him. Aged Warhorse out for one ladt gallop (again)...i could go on but you get the point. Pop will eat itself and all that.
So unless 25 is a miracle, i for one would not mind if they left it there with a fine swansong until Netflix pick it up and do lavish historical and Fleming faithful versions.

There is a part of me that agrees with this. Starting with Skyfall Craig’s films have been incredibly repetitive and stuck in a kind of 60s nostalgia obsession. What I’ve seen of NTTD confirms this to be the case. It worked for Skyfall but now it just feels unimaginative (and makes Skyfall worse retrospectively). I would welcome the switch to a streaming model at this point. It would allow (force) them to tell a different kind of story. Bond has grown very stale under Craig.

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Miles Messervy wrote:
zaphod99 wrote:

For the first time in my life (Bond fanstic for 50 years and counting) i'm really starting not to care very much. From what i have seen (admittedly only the Trailers) it would be perfectly possible to create a coherent trailer for NTTD from the last three movies as so much seems (overly) familiar (Bond inder ice  Bond taking the cover off the DB5, Bond improbably jumping off something , Blofeld (again) a catatonic sleepd eprived Gnome predicting the end of him. Aged Warhorse out for one ladt gallop (again)...i could go on but you get the point. Pop will eat itself and all that.
So unless 25 is a miracle, i for one would not mind if they left it there with a fine swansong until Netflix pick it up and do lavish historical and Fleming faithful versions.

There is a part of me that agrees with this. Starting with Skyfall Craig’s films have been incredibly repetitive and stuck in a kind of 60s nostalgia obsession. What I’ve seen of NTTD confirms this to be the case. It worked for Skyfall but now it just feels unimaginative (and makes Skyfall worse retrospectively). I would welcome the switch to a streaming model at this point. It would allow (force) them to tell a different kind of story. Bond has grown very stale under Craig.

I am a bit conflicted when it comes to Bond moving to Netflix or Amazon, etc. I would miss the whole feel of going to a theater and seeing the next Bond film on the big screen....it's something that I have been doing since 1964. That being said, while I don't entirely agree with your takes on the Craig films (I'll with hold judgement on NTTD until I actually see the film) , there is no doubt a slippery slope there that EON, et al might want to get ahead of and that answer may be in a series format with my one caveat being that it must be the aforementioned "period piece" that takes Bond back to the 50's. Each season could focus on telling a particular story. Two big advantage I envision for doing the retro Bond with Netflix, etc would be: not having to live within the confines of the PG-13 rating and today's societal standards. Bond would be free to smoke his nasty old Turkish cigarettes, and sleep around to his heart's content while fighting the cold war and any megalomaniacs who pop up bent on world domination or destruction. The effects, costume and arts folks would have a field day recreating exotic locations of that era or just good old London for that matter which could compensate for some of the lost grandeur of the big screen (hell, I'd probably buy an even bigger TV than my current 55" for a Bond series). ajb007/lol

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HowardB wrote:

Two big advantage I envision for doing the retro Bond with Netflix, etc would be: not having to live within the confines of the PG-13 rating and today's societal standards. Bond would be free to smoke his nasty old Turkish cigarettes, and sleep around to his heart's content while fighting the cold war and any megalomaniacs who pop up bent on world domination or destruction. The effects, costume and arts folks would have a field day recreating exotic locations of that era or just good old London for that matter which could compensate for some of the lost grandeur of the big screen (hell, I'd probably buy an even bigger TV than my current 55" for a Bond series). ajb007/lol

Bond will have to conform to today's societal standards no matter what era he is set in and whether he is on a streaming service or in feature films. My wife watches everything that streams that is set in the past, and the stories mostly follow today's standards, not the standards of the times they are set in.

The biggest problem with setting Bond in the past is that EON would have to be willing to give up most (if not all) of the product placement money. EON are about money first. They always have been.

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"Bond will have to conform to today's societal standards no matter what era he is set in and whether he is on a streaming service or in feature films. My wife watches everything that streams that is set in the past, and the stories mostly follow today's standards, not the standards of the times they are set in."

"The biggest problem with setting Bond in the past is that EON would have to be willing to give up most (if not all) of the product placement money. EON are about money first. They always have been."

No money = no Bond ajb007/lol  It seems they are making money over at Netflix.....but it's a good point.
As far as reflecting today's societal norms.....the racism and homophobia would have to go (well the villains could be racist) and certainly the treatment and portrayal of women would need to be elevated but that doesn't mean Bond can't be more reflective of the times (have you seen Madmen?) but the smoking, drinking, gambling, sex and violence no problem. No reason retro Bond can't be having lots of clearly consensual sex and beating up and killing lots of bad guys:) ajb007/smile

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HowardB wrote:

"Bond will have to conform to today's societal standards no matter what era he is set in and whether he is on a streaming service or in feature films. My wife watches everything that streams that is set in the past, and the stories mostly follow today's standards, not the standards of the times they are set in."

"The biggest problem with setting Bond in the past is that EON would have to be willing to give up most (if not all) of the product placement money. EON are about money first. They always have been."

No money = no Bond ajb007/lol  It seems they are making money over at Netflix.....but it's a good point.
As far as reflecting today's societal norms.....the racism and homophobia would have to go (well the villains could be racist) and certainly the treatment and portrayal of women would need to be elevated but that doesn't mean Bond can't be more reflective of the times (have you seen Madmen?) but the smoking, drinking, gambling, sex and violence no problem. No reason retro Bond can't be having lots of clearly consensual sex and beating up and killing lots of bad guys:) ajb007/smile

Madmen is already from a past generation. But smoking can still return, as good guys are allowed to smoke in The Marvellous Mrs Maisel.

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Those are broadcast standards not societal standards. Society still watches the same stuff in porn and anime.

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If it were my decision, I would keep it simple.

Hire a mid-30s actor, send him into M's office (by all means keep Ralph Fiennes in the role), and get M to send him on an assignment. After some exciting action, Bond ultimately defeats the villain. Credits roll.

No need for another origin story, interlinking multi-film story arc etc. Just make a damn good Bond adventure.

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Golrush007 wrote:

If it were my decision, I would keep it simple.

Hire a mid-30s actor, send him into M's office (by all means keep Ralph Fiennes in the role), and get M to send him on an assignment. After some exciting action, Bond ultimately defeats the villain. Credits roll.

No need for another origin story, interlinking multi-film story arc etc. Just make a damn good Bond adventure.

This is what I want to see  ajb007/bond

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Golrush007 wrote:

If it were my decision, I would keep it simple.

Hire a mid-30s actor, send him into M's office (by all means keep Ralph Fiennes in the role), and get M to send him on an assignment. After some exciting action, Bond ultimately defeats the villain. Credits roll.

No need for another origin story, interlinking multi-film story arc etc. Just make a damn good Bond adventure.

I would be good with that too..... ajb007/smile  It is fun to postulate about what the future may bring for 007. I've gotten into that retro/period piece frame of mind since watching the first season of the Batman prequel "Pennyworth" on EPIX which has more than a few Bond elements to it.

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I'm good with either of the common wishes stated above

I'd prefer to see a hard reboot and ut Bond back in the 50's-60's

But if it stays modern era - no hiccup or story reboot..  just a different guy playing the role as if nothing happened.

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There should be a reboot, the continuation of Bond is sketchy anyway in the films at best. They will replace DC with a younger actor and they could go back to one off missions. Keep M in place and bring back the carefree action adventure Bond. Judy Dench managed to traverse time as Brozzers M who took over the role as a new M and then as DC's M who made him a double 0. Continuation be dammned.

It was either that.....or the priesthood

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Reboot, with a cgi Sean Connery  ajb007/lol  back in the 60's.
But seriously, to quote our friend Zaphod, does it really matter? Yes if Bond remains Bond. No if they decide to change him or recreate him to the point of becoming barely borderline recognizable. And im also in the camp that doesnt mind retelling previous stories.

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Golrush007 wrote:

If it were my decision, I would keep it simple.

Hire a mid-30s actor, send him into M's office (by all means keep Ralph Fiennes in the role), and get M to send him on an assignment. After some exciting action, Bond ultimately defeats the villain. Credits roll.

No need for another origin story, interlinking multi-film story arc etc. Just make a damn good Bond adventure.

Thats the other way to go. Im still conflicted as i would love to see an in period Fleminesque Bond (Moonraker would be my choice) i however do have a slight reluctance to confine Bond to being a historical character and not a live presence. With such long gaps between films maybe we could have both. Moonraker does not trot around the globe, and it can be brought fully to life on a reasonable budget. It would not need 3 years of script development and you would not need to cast an actor for a 4 or 5 film run thus extending the field. In parallel EON could develop the next movie version. Thoughts?

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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Golrush007 wrote:

If it were my decision, I would keep it simple.

Hire a mid-30s actor, send him into M's office (by all means keep Ralph Fiennes in the role), and get M to send him on an assignment. After some exciting action, Bond ultimately defeats the villain. Credits roll.

No need for another origin story, interlinking multi-film story arc etc. Just make a damn good Bond adventure.

Works for me :-) 

As for suggestions to take Bond back in time, a Tarantino 'period Bond film' might have been fun, but that ship has sailed. For the series as it is, a continued use of contemporary setting makes better sense. It's possible to keep it modern and sometimes to use retro stylings for atmosphere as well. (Eva Green in her evening dress for the casino carries an aura of Fleming's 50s Vesper; Lea Seydoux aboard the train in her evening dress for the dining car also has a decidedly retro glamour.)

Last edited by Shady Tree (17th Feb 2020 08:24)

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I think we will get a reboot but continue with the villain into the next movie.

Much like we had with M.