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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,701MI6 Agent
    The guns look very much alike. According to IMFDB the Compact version has only been used in one English-language movie before, and that is SPECTRE. Is it deliberate, or perhaps the EON armourer simply likes the gun?
  • ggl007ggl007 SpainPosts: 388MI6 Agent
    That's quite interesting. Thank you, ppw3o6r!
  • Quentin QuigleyQuentin Quigley Terminal One, Hamburg AirportPosts: 1,150MI6 Agent
    Very interesting, considering where you see the gun in SP. Thanks for sharing!
    Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
  • 00730073 COPPosts: 977MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    The guns look very much alike. According to IMFDB the Compact version has only been used in one English-language movie before, and that is SPECTRE. Is it deliberate, or perhaps the EON armourer simply likes the gun?

    If you recall tv series "Strike Back", it also featured CSA SA vz. 58 Compact in several episodes.

    Sometimes, because of the restrictions imposed on transporting and / or possessing certain types of firearms, film and tv productions source weapons locally. This makes for some very interesting weapons spotting!
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,701MI6 Agent
    0073 wrote:

    Sometimes, because of the restrictions imposed on transporting and / or possessing certain types of firearms, film and tv productions source weapons locally. This makes for some very interesting weapons spotting!

    I think that was the case in OHMSS, but it certainly isn't the case this time.
  • danjaq_0ffdanjaq_0ff The SwampsPosts: 7,283MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    0073 wrote:

    Sometimes, because of the restrictions imposed on transporting and / or possessing certain types of firearms, film and tv productions source weapons locally. This makes for some very interesting weapons spotting!

    I think that was the case in OHMSS, but it certainly isn't the case this time.

    Agreed N24, EON's Armorers don't seem to have a problem with getting what the Production need, Donk ( PPW 3O6R ) is obviously more in the know that me and has extensive knowledge on the subject {[]
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,701MI6 Agent
    This is the sort of detail that could be a clue to something important, but it's even more likely to be an unimportant coinsidence.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Not so much a gun but bomb question.

    Watching an old episode of Spooks last night, with a laptop with
    Some plastic explosives in it. Obviously they tried several things
    To diffuse it, but my question is

    Is it possible to instead of stopping it, you could scoop out most of the plastic explosives, so only a small amount was left, then it could go off but cause little damage ? Or have I just killed myself :))
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  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,483MI6 Agent
    Yes that is entirely possible. Unless there’s a hidden trigger within the mass of plastique.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Thanks Asp9mm, {[]
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,701MI6 Agent
    edited June 2019
    I just read that the Walther WA2000, the sniper rifle 007 uses in TLD, is extremely rare. Only a total of 156 were made. The price is $12 500 and up for one of them today. The rifle was made for militarized police anti-terrorism units like GSG9 and the French GIGN. That's a very small market and the rifle was expensive to begin with, so this probably explans why so few were sold.
  • CajunCajun Posts: 481MI6 Agent
    Not so much a gun but bomb question.

    Watching an old episode of Spooks last night, with a laptop with
    Some plastic explosives in it. Obviously they tried several things
    To diffuse it, but my question is

    Is it possible to instead of stopping it, you could scoop out most of the plastic explosives, so only a small amount was left, then it could go off but cause little damage ? Or have I just killed myself :))

    Plausible, but it would be easier and more effective to just pull out the visible wired blasting cap(s) required to detonate plastic explosive.
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  • JoshuaJoshua Posts: 1,138MI6 Agent
    Not so much a gun but bomb question.

    Watching an old episode of Spooks last night, with a laptop with
    Some plastic explosives in it. Obviously they tried several things
    To diffuse it, but my question is

    Is it possible to instead of stopping it, you could scoop out most of the plastic explosives, so only a small amount was left, then it could go off but cause little damage ? Or have I just killed myself :))

    I'm not familiar with this show so I am guessing it is something to do with anti terrorism or spying?

    If someone with training wanted to go to the trouble of constructing any explosive device like the one you said then they would probably take certain measures to ensure it could not be tampered with so any attempt would result in a anti tamper device being initiated. This could be any manner of switches to stop you opening the body of the laptop and even a light sensitive device. It could even have a tilt switch if the demolitions person did not expect (or want) it to be moved after it was placed and armed.

    It would also not unusual to place two detonators. If the person who built the device did this then pulling one out (even if you could get to it) would do nothing. The builder of the device would not make it easy for any one but another expert to tackle. It would be better to leave the bomb and clear the area of people instead of trying to defuse.

    I guess they did defuse the bomb with one second to spare? ;)
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    :)) Something like that, yes {[] Also in all movies and TV shows bombs all
    have big digital clocks showing the countdown :D I realise this is for the
    benefit of the viewer, as I expect most Bombers wouldn't be as " Helpful " ?
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  • CajunCajun Posts: 481MI6 Agent
    edited July 2019
    TP,

    Of course there are contingencies galore.

    Based on your simple technical question, I submitted a simple technical answer. Trembler switches, remote detonations, "what if's", "there could be's", and "what one should actually do's" weren't in the equation. For all of the keyboard EOD techs out there. 8-)
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  • chitoryu12chitoryu12 Posts: 16MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I just read that the Walther WA2000, the sniper rifle 007 uses in TLD, is extremely rare. Only a total of 156 were made. The price is $12 500 and up for one of them today. The rifle was made for militarized police anti-terrorism units like GSG9 and the French GIGN. That's a very small market and the rifle was expensive to begin with, so this probably explans why so few were sold.

    Ian McCollum and Karl Kasarda of Forgotten Weapons and InRange actually compared the WA2000 to the SVD Dragunov. As you would expect, they found that the Walther was an excellent police rifle but way overpriced for its actual capabilities and needed to be babied to keep it from being damaged.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgrVdNqfDfA
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,701MI6 Agent
    edited February 2020
    I too saw the Forgotten Weapons episode on the WA-2000. I'm interested in the history side of guns and the guys are entertaining.

    I don't remember who put it up, but another Bond-related video spoke about the gun instruction scene on the train in SPECTRE.
    I was made aware how crazy Bond behaves in that scene. We have to keep in mind two facts:
    1) The gun is loaded and has a round in the chamber.
    2) He assumes Madeleine knows nothing about guns.

    The first thing Bond does is telling Madeleine to pick up the gun. Telling someone who doesn't know guns to pick up a loaded gun is inviting serious accident. He's even sitting accross the table, making himself the likely victim of an accident.
    Next he tells her the make of the pistol. How is that helpful?
    Then he points out the hammer and front and rear sights - even my mother can point those out on a gun! If he had gone on explaining how the sights line up this would have been helpful, but he doesn't. Again he gives her useless information.
    Why doesn'ty he tell her about trigger disipline, not to pint the gun at anyone she doesn't plan to shoot, the safety, the slide etc.
    That would have been useful. If Madeleine wasn't already familiar with handguns she would have very likely fired the gun accidentally. If they were lucky they would have just damaged the train, become the center of the attention on the train and alert everyone that they were armed. The chance of someone getting shot was very high. What was Bond thinking?
  • 00730073 COPPosts: 977MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I too saw the Forgotten Weapons episode on the WA-2000. I'm interested in the history side of guns and the guys are entertaining.

    I don't remember who put it up, but another Bond-related video spoke about the gun instruction scene on the train in SPECTRE.
    I was made aware how crazy Bond behaves in that scene. We have to keep in mind two facts:
    1) The gun is loaded and has a round in the chamber.
    2) He assumes Madeleine knows nothing about guns.

    The first thing Bond does is telling Madeleine to pick up the gun. Telling someone who doesn't know guns to pick up a loaded gun is inviting serious accident. He's even sitting accross the table, making himself the likely victim of an accident.
    Next he tells her the make of the pistol. How is that helpful?
    Then he points out the hammer and front and rear sights - even my mother can point those out on a gun! If he had gone on explaining how the sights line up this would have been helpful, but he doesn't. Again he gives her useless information.
    Why doesn'ty he tell her about trigger disipline, not to pint the gun at anyone she doesn't plan to shoot, the safety, the slide etc.
    That would have been useful. If Madeleine wasn't already familiar with handguns she would have very likely fired the gun accidentally. If they were lucky they would have just damaged the train, become the center of the attention on the train and alert everyone that they were armed. The chance of someone getting shot was very high. What was Bond thinking?

    Does not a safety have that Sig P226, my young Padawan! :v
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    -Mr Arlington Beech
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,701MI6 Agent
    edited February 2020
    That's an even better reason to teach her where to point the gun and propper trigger discipline, don't you think?
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,701MI6 Agent
    the prefered handgun of the real Number 24, SOE agent Gunnar Sønsteby, was a Colt 38. pistol. What pistol is that? It must obviously be agun produced during or before WWII.
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,483MI6 Agent
    Colt 1903. Pretty much standard issue to SOE agents during the War.


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    It was also the inspiration behind the look of the Kingsman pistol.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,701MI6 Agent
    edited April 2020
    Thanks. It looks like the sort of handgun a Secret agent would use: flat, and hammerless, but still using a serious round. But my impression is the SOE (at least in Norway) used the Colt M1911 on commnado-style missions where they were in uniform and the consealabilty of the gun wasn't an issue. The Vemork mission and Operation Musketoon (see the "Real stories …" thread are examples of this.
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,483MI6 Agent
    The 1911 was used by commandos extensively. As well as the Canadian produced Browning Hi Power.

    The 1903 is a wonderful little pistol for keeping concealed. Very small and flat, and without the hammer to catch on clothing during the draw, it was quick to acquisition too.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,701MI6 Agent
    Yes, but I meant the M1911 was often used by the SOE on commando-style missions. I wasn't clear on that in my post.
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,483MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Yes, but I meant the M1911 was often used by the SOE on commando-style missions. I wasn't clear on that in my post.

    No, I got you. You are spot on. The 1911 was well loved by commando units and overt SOE agents. Even Churchill had one and claimed it was his favourite pistol.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,701MI6 Agent
    I get the impression the SOE is seen by many as an espionage unit and not a special operations unit. I suspect the reason is that the SOE often did work in espionage roles in some countries such as France, where a typical role for the SOE was setting up a radio station. A very dangerous and important job, and often carried out by women. Norway was at the time a very rural country were walking or skiing around the countryside to blow something up or training gurerillas was a more typical role for the SOE. They even took part in a couple of commando raids early in the war. Is this your impression too?
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,483MI6 Agent
    Yeah, you’re right. I think many of the commando style raids that the SOE were involved in haven’t been attributed to them in the past and usually bunched in with the generic “commando” term rather than specifically SOE. They were certainly prolific in that role during the first half of the war.

    The woods at the back of our house were used by the SOE as training grounds for commando raids. They took over the old Manor House there. Even now I’m still finding ordnance and rounds fired over the vast area. They must have expended hundreds of thousands of 9mm rounds over there.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,701MI6 Agent
    edited April 2020
    It must be interesting having a piece of SOE history in your neighbourhood. I know SOE often used manor houses as Special Training Schools. By the way: Two famous SOE agents, Max Manus and Gregers Gram, were hiking in Scotland a short time after they were instructed in lock-picking. They came upon a large manor house where no-one was alone. They let themselves in and enjoyed the food, wine cellar and luxurious living conditions for a few days. Later they read in the newspaper that the royal hunting "cabin" had been broken into :))
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,483MI6 Agent
    That is superb. Fair play to them :))
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,701MI6 Agent
    I'm reading "Doctor No" and Fleming mentions one of the henchmen is carrying Remington .3000 carabine. What gun is that?
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