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It’s a difficult question to answer as their are many variables involved. 

The screen seen Jack is compromised of a few different variants.  An original post WW1 Jack, and mostly resin castings taken from that original. They even reused the non cracked pre titles Jack later on in the box by adding the battle damage, and for sure had two backups that included the original WW1 version.   And in SPECTRE, they recast new versions from the SF mould and added similar battle damage which differed very slightly from the SKYFALL versions.  They only had one original Royal Doulton Jack which they recast from in resin.  The eye pattern replicates the original WW1 Jacks as the WW2 issued Jacks had doughnut shaped faded eye application that looks like a ring. 

The commercially available Royal Doulton Jack is cast off an original, but the later 1940’s one and it lacks the sharp detail of the original   It’s a nice cast, but not sharp, so appears smoother overall that any of the vintage versions.   The eye and Union Flag difference is purely down to them using transfers. The originals were hand painted.  Nothing to do with the moulding.

The difference between the commercially available version:

SF.  BONE CHINA, CLEAN - Bone white
SP.  EATHERNWARE, BATTLE DAMAGED - Darker base colour due to eathernware
NTTD. PORCELAIN, BATTLE DAMAGED - Further details apart from packaging, unknown

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Porcelain is cheaper to produce than bone China.  Seems like just a cost saving change for Royal Doulton.

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km1fdm wrote:

Porcelain is cheaper to produce than bone China.  Seems like just a cost saving change for Royal Doulton.

They only used  bone China in the SKYFALL release. SPECTRE was earthenware.

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https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/darkcrown_1969/Decorated%20images/17D6B75B-BDD1-4EA5-B42E-ABA5B375EF95_zpsqwxeiq9k.jpeg

This isn’t screen used, but a SF commercially released Jack modified by the artist that did the original SF Jacks. 

This version is really precious to me above the screen used ones as soon after she died of cancer.  It’s been on my desk since 2012.

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The difference in the ears is not an illusion.  The commercial release does lack sharpness and detail, but not by much.

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Asp9mm wrote:

It’s a difficult question to answer as their are many variables involved. 

The screen seen Jack is compromised of a few different variants.  An original post WW1 Jack, and mostly resin castings taken from that original. They even reused the non cracked pre titles Jack later on in the box by adding the battle damage, and for sure had two backups that included the original WW1 version.   And in SPECTRE, they recast new versions from the SF mould and added similar battle damage which differed very slightly from the SKYFALL versions.  They only had one original Royal Doulton Jack which they recast from in resin.  The eye pattern replicates the original WW1 Jacks as the WW2 issued Jacks had doughnut shaped faded eye application that looks like a ring. 

The commercially available Royal Doulton Jack is cast off an original, but the later 1940’s one and it lacks the sharp detail of the original   It’s a nice cast, but not sharp, so appears smoother overall that any of the vintage versions.   The eye and Union Flag difference is purely down to them using transfers. The originals were hand painted.  Nothing to do with the moulding.

The difference between the commercially available version:

SF.  BONE CHINA, CLEAN - Bone white
SP.  EATHERNWARE, BATTLE DAMAGED - Darker base colour due to eathernware
NTTD. PORCELAIN, BATTLE DAMAGED - Further details apart from packaging, unknown images

Wow thanks for sharing this information. Fascinating about the composition of the screen used Jack. I had no idea that so much work went into a prop like that.

And great photo of your modified Jack by the late artist. A special piece to treasure.

I don’t have the SF or SP Jack, but have preordered the NTTD version which I’m looking forward to displaying.

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Asp9mm wrote:

https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/darkcrown_1969/Decorated%20images/17D6B75B-BDD1-4EA5-B42E-ABA5B375EF95_zpsqwxeiq9k.jpeg

This isn’t screen used, but a SF commercially released Jack modified by the artist that did the original SF Jacks. 

This version is really precious to me above the screen used ones as soon after she died of cancer.  It’s been on my desk since 2012.

This is superb. Who was the artist and how did you meet her to get it modified?

Japanese proverb say, "Bird never make nest in bare tree".

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She was a very private person and only did two conversions.  She was lovely and didn’t even want paying for them.

I’d known her since 2005 when she worked on Dr Who, it was only through another prop maker that worked on Bond that I found out she’d been involved in SKYFALL. She never knew I was into Bond till then, and contacted me after she learned I’d got a couple of the originals, one of which needed repairing slightly.

One cool thing about the resin screen used Jacks is the base.  They were marked with a T or cross shape so they could align with a corresponding mark on M’s desk for placement continuity. The early used damaged ones just had water based paint detailing that rubbed off on the head through handling, so this was later replaced with fine wires to simulate the cracks.  These were glued on and were more durable.

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Thanks Asp9mm, it’s a great conversion and a lovely tribute to her work ajb007/martini

Japanese proverb say, "Bird never make nest in bare tree".

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"The early used damaged ones just had water based paint detailing that rubbed off on the head through handling" and then someone we both know and love? had them sprayed with lacquer to secure the screen patina for posterity and buggered them up because it made the water based paint run!  ajb007/insane

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ppw3o6r wrote:

"The early used damaged ones just had water based paint detailing that rubbed off on the head through handling" and then someone we both know and love? had them sprayed with lacquer to secure the screen patina for posterity and buggered them up because it made the water based paint run!  ajb007/insane

Yeah, and that  ajb007/lol

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That's a great albeit sad story, Asp9mm. And a nice memento. Thank you very much for sharing.

"Enjoy it while it lasts."
"The very words I live by."

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Echo that, an interesting story indeed.

Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.

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I ordered Jack on 15th Feb and got the email on 11th March that it's been sent.

Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.

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New Jack has just been delivered. Not a massive difference to the SPECTRE version, feels lighter as porcelain and not stoneware.
https://i.postimg.cc/r0GjMX6J/IMG-2371.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/4HN6GYQf/IMG-2372.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/svxY0Z2K/IMG-2373.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/VJbjzQnC/IMG-2374.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/TpsV8YLx/IMG-2375.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/47Gv8LKh/IMG-2376.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/c6X7mcdr/IMG-2377.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/7GN3j37t/IMG-2378.jpg

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Looks like there is even less detailing on this new one too  ajb007/rolleyes

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Asp9mm wrote:

Looks like there is even less detailing on this new one too  ajb007/rolleyes

You are not wrong there. The lines etc on the face are less pronounced than the older one. It is lighter though

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Thomo - thanks for the images! The new one certainly does lack definition - it is like a stone smoothed by water. Still, this will be the first Jack in my collection, so it's not too big a deal for me. Should get mine next week, hopefully.

Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.

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Thomo wrote:

New Jack has just been delivered. Not a massive difference to the SPECTRE version, feels lighter as porcelain and not stoneware.

I agree. I have all the 3 versions.  But the difference between the Spectre and the NTTD is very minimal.

this never happened to the other fellow

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The definition and paint job is quite different.  The NTTD looks like a fourth gen recast it’s lost so much detail. The porcelain is very thin compared to the bone china and eathernware too. It has a much more delicate, egg shell feel about it.

Then the paint job.  The NTTD is far less detailed in the weathering of the bomb damage, and the definition of the crack detailing too.  That being said, if you’re a completist or don’t have the SPECTRE version, it’s still a great product.

NTTD on right...

https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/darkcrown_1969/Decorated%20images/9D5F08DB-A1AB-43B7-954F-51720700EE20_zpso0ra2ggu.jpeg


NTTD on bottom...

https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/darkcrown_1969/Decorated%20images/B3871BD2-15C0-4061-835D-708CEE8B59EF_zpsxpcfafbu.jpeg


NTTD on left...

https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/darkcrown_1969/Decorated%20images/83DD9F58-FD69-4240-B8DF-19B78E6E31E9_zpsotpn9ntm.jpeg

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Asp9mm wrote:

The definition and paint job is quite different.  The NTTD looks like a fourth gen recast it’s lost so much detail. The porcelain is very thin compared to the bone china and eathernware too. It has a much more delicate, egg shell feel about it.

Then the paint job.  The NTTD is far less detailed in the weathering of the bomb damage, and the definition of the crack detailing too.  That being said, if you’re a completist or don’t have the SPECTRE version, it’s still a great product.

NTTD on right...

https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/darkcrown_1969/Decorated%20images/9D5F08DB-A1AB-43B7-954F-51720700EE20_zpso0ra2ggu.jpeg


NTTD on bottom...

https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/darkcrown_1969/Decorated%20images/B3871BD2-15C0-4061-835D-708CEE8B59EF_zpsxpcfafbu.jpeg


NTTD on left...

https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/darkcrown_1969/Decorated%20images/83DD9F58-FD69-4240-B8DF-19B78E6E31E9_zpsotpn9ntm.jpeg

I think that is a fair sum up. The details aren’t as good and as I mentioned it’s much lighter in weight. But as you say it’s still a nice piece.

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Wow, the buckle on the new Jack looks flush with the collar.

Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.

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Effectively.....they're not comparable regarding paintjob, weathering and deepness of detailing. It wouldn't be a keeper to me !!!

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Almost sure the NTTD version couldn't stand a bomb damage ...  ajb007/crap

~God Judges Us by Our Scars~

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Thomo wrote:
Asp9mm wrote:

NTTD on right...

https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/darkcrown_1969/Decorated%20images/9D5F08DB-A1AB-43B7-954F-51720700EE20_zpso0ra2ggu.jpeg

Seems Jack has spent the hiatus down the Botox clinic!

"Any of the opposition around..?"