Watching an old episode of Spooks last night, with a laptop with
Some plastic explosives in it. Obviously they tried several things
To diffuse it, but my question is
Is it possible to instead of stopping it, you could scoop out most of the plastic explosives, so only a small amount was left, then it could go off but cause little damage ? Or have I just killed myself )
I'm not familiar with this show so I am guessing it is something to do with anti terrorism or spying?
If someone with training wanted to go to the trouble of constructing any explosive device like the one you said then they would probably take certain measures to ensure it could not be tampered with so any attempt would result in a anti tamper device being initiated. This could be any manner of switches to stop you opening the body of the laptop and even a light sensitive device. It could even have a tilt switch if the demolitions person did not expect (or want) it to be moved after it was placed and armed.
It would also not unusual to place two detonators. If the person who built the device did this then pulling one out (even if you could get to it) would do nothing. The builder of the device would not make it easy for any one but another expert to tackle. It would be better to leave the bomb and clear the area of people instead of trying to defuse.
I guess they did defuse the bomb with one second to spare?
) Something like that, yes {[] Also in all movies and TV shows bombs all
have big digital clocks showing the countdown I realise this is for the
benefit of the viewer, as I expect most Bombers wouldn't be as " Helpful " ?
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Based on your simple technical question, I submitted a simple technical answer. Trembler switches, remote detonations, "what if's", "there could be's", and "what one should actually do's" weren't in the equation. For all of the keyboard EOD techs out there. 8-)
I just read that the Walther WA2000, the sniper rifle 007 uses in TLD, is extremely rare. Only a total of 156 were made. The price is $12 500 and up for one of them today. The rifle was made for militarized police anti-terrorism units like GSG9 and the French GIGN. That's a very small market and the rifle was expensive to begin with, so this probably explans why so few were sold.
Ian McCollum and Karl Kasarda of Forgotten Weapons and InRange actually compared the WA2000 to the SVD Dragunov. As you would expect, they found that the Walther was an excellent police rifle but way overpriced for its actual capabilities and needed to be babied to keep it from being damaged.
I too saw the Forgotten Weapons episode on the WA-2000. I'm interested in the history side of guns and the guys are entertaining.
I don't remember who put it up, but another Bond-related video spoke about the gun instruction scene on the train in SPECTRE.
I was made aware how crazy Bond behaves in that scene. We have to keep in mind two facts:
1) The gun is loaded and has a round in the chamber.
2) He assumes Madeleine knows nothing about guns.
The first thing Bond does is telling Madeleine to pick up the gun. Telling someone who doesn't know guns to pick up a loaded gun is inviting serious accident. He's even sitting accross the table, making himself the likely victim of an accident.
Next he tells her the make of the pistol. How is that helpful?
Then he points out the hammer and front and rear sights - even my mother can point those out on a gun! If he had gone on explaining how the sights line up this would have been helpful, but he doesn't. Again he gives her useless information.
Why doesn'ty he tell her about trigger disipline, not to pint the gun at anyone she doesn't plan to shoot, the safety, the slide etc.
That would have been useful. If Madeleine wasn't already familiar with handguns she would have very likely fired the gun accidentally. If they were lucky they would have just damaged the train, become the center of the attention on the train and alert everyone that they were armed. The chance of someone getting shot was very high. What was Bond thinking?
I too saw the Forgotten Weapons episode on the WA-2000. I'm interested in the history side of guns and the guys are entertaining.
I don't remember who put it up, but another Bond-related video spoke about the gun instruction scene on the train in SPECTRE.
I was made aware how crazy Bond behaves in that scene. We have to keep in mind two facts:
1) The gun is loaded and has a round in the chamber.
2) He assumes Madeleine knows nothing about guns.
The first thing Bond does is telling Madeleine to pick up the gun. Telling someone who doesn't know guns to pick up a loaded gun is inviting serious accident. He's even sitting accross the table, making himself the likely victim of an accident.
Next he tells her the make of the pistol. How is that helpful?
Then he points out the hammer and front and rear sights - even my mother can point those out on a gun! If he had gone on explaining how the sights line up this would have been helpful, but he doesn't. Again he gives her useless information.
Why doesn'ty he tell her about trigger disipline, not to pint the gun at anyone she doesn't plan to shoot, the safety, the slide etc.
That would have been useful. If Madeleine wasn't already familiar with handguns she would have very likely fired the gun accidentally. If they were lucky they would have just damaged the train, become the center of the attention on the train and alert everyone that they were armed. The chance of someone getting shot was very high. What was Bond thinking?
Does not a safety have that Sig P226, my young Padawan! :v
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech
the prefered handgun of the real Number 24, SOE agent Gunnar Sønsteby, was a Colt 38. pistol. What pistol is that? It must obviously be agun produced during or before WWII.
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,485MI6 Agent
Colt 1903. Pretty much standard issue to SOE agents during the War.
It was also the inspiration behind the look of the Kingsman pistol.
Thanks. It looks like the sort of handgun a Secret agent would use: flat, and hammerless, but still using a serious round. But my impression is the SOE (at least in Norway) used the Colt M1911 on commnado-style missions where they were in uniform and the consealabilty of the gun wasn't an issue. The Vemork mission and Operation Musketoon (see the "Real stories …" thread are examples of this.
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,485MI6 Agent
The 1911 was used by commandos extensively. As well as the Canadian produced Browning Hi Power.
The 1903 is a wonderful little pistol for keeping concealed. Very small and flat, and without the hammer to catch on clothing during the draw, it was quick to acquisition too.
Yes, but I meant the M1911 was often used by the SOE on commando-style missions. I wasn't clear on that in my post.
No, I got you. You are spot on. The 1911 was well loved by commando units and overt SOE agents. Even Churchill had one and claimed it was his favourite pistol.
I get the impression the SOE is seen by many as an espionage unit and not a special operations unit. I suspect the reason is that the SOE often did work in espionage roles in some countries such as France, where a typical role for the SOE was setting up a radio station. A very dangerous and important job, and often carried out by women. Norway was at the time a very rural country were walking or skiing around the countryside to blow something up or training gurerillas was a more typical role for the SOE. They even took part in a couple of commando raids early in the war. Is this your impression too?
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,485MI6 Agent
Yeah, you’re right. I think many of the commando style raids that the SOE were involved in haven’t been attributed to them in the past and usually bunched in with the generic “commando” term rather than specifically SOE. They were certainly prolific in that role during the first half of the war.
The woods at the back of our house were used by the SOE as training grounds for commando raids. They took over the old Manor House there. Even now I’m still finding ordnance and rounds fired over the vast area. They must have expended hundreds of thousands of 9mm rounds over there.
It must be interesting having a piece of SOE history in your neighbourhood. I know SOE often used manor houses as Special Training Schools. By the way: Two famous SOE agents, Max Manus and Gregers Gram, were hiking in Scotland a short time after they were instructed in lock-picking. They came upon a large manor house where no-one was alone. They let themselves in and enjoyed the food, wine cellar and luxurious living conditions for a few days. Later they read in the newspaper that the royal hunting "cabin" had been broken into )
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,485MI6 Agent
Anyone watched The Tiger King on Netflix ? Not to go in to too many details, but One
Member of his Zoo crew accidentally, when fooling around with his gun Shot Himself.
Before this happened on screen, I predicted it to my Daughter, as I explained how
some automatics work
( I know nothing about guns, only from what I've seen in movies and the bits and pieces
I've picked up on AJB, from our far more knowledgeable Members )
The guy on screen removed the clip of bullets from the gun and proceeded to tease another
member of staff, and the inevitable happened.
I expressed my opinion to my daughter that how someone who worked with Guns everyday
wouldn't know some basic safety techniques.
Although If anyone has seen the show they fool around with guns all the time, even pointing
loaded revolvers at the camera crew and eachother.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,485MI6 Agent
Right TP. First look at this picture for half an hour and memorise it. Cos there’s anything more annoying than a magazine being called a clip. And yeah, I know, all the movies and books do it, but that just means it suspends disbelief and makes anyone that’s handled these things for real rant about it to themselves for an hour.
And here’s another. Just in case you’ve forgotten already.
But apart from that, you’re right. Removing a fully loaded pistols MAGAZINE doesn’t mean it’s safe. Although some manufacturers did add magazine safety’s to their weapons so that they couldn’t fire without a mag inserted. The Browning Hi Power being one. Anyway, people realised this was dumb, and it isn’t widely used anymore.
Back to the point. If the pistol had a round in the breech, then it was still live as removing the MAGAZINE has no affect on that, and it can still shoot as usual.
Now go back and look at those pictures, I won’t hear of such things again :v :v
) I did say I knew Nothing about guns In a shootout, I'd be with the
women folk, ripping off a strip of my undergarments for bandages.
Next you'll be telling me holding it sideways and claiming to put a cap
in someone's Ass, isn't the done thing either !
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,485MI6 Agent
The English term is “put a cap in your bottom”. They just stole it from us and made it sound more crude.
There seems to be a reality TV genere where people handles dangerous items like idiots even though they should be experts or at least really competent. What's the show about lumberjacks? I saw an episode where a man was clearing a road of trees after a storm. A tree was toppled accross a road and the guy was standing directly under the tree, holding the chainsaw with one arm straight up while cutting it! I've ben in that sort of situation and that's the completely wrong way to do it. I'm surpriced they don't kill themselves in every program. A friend of mine works in a firm that produces cranes for the oil indiustry. he's watched a reality show about workers in the oil industry and he says the same thing: The guys behave like idiots with no consept of safety and common sense.
) I did say I knew Nothing about guns In a shootout, I'd be with the
women folk, ripping off a strip of my undergarments for bandages.
Next you'll be telling me holding it sideways and claiming to put a cap
in someone's Ass, isn't the done thing either !
This is self evident, because the "Real Gun People" always go "commando"!!
If for no other reason, that to be able to say that they can't rip their........ "undergarments...."? What? You wear a petticoat???
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech
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I'm not familiar with this show so I am guessing it is something to do with anti terrorism or spying?
If someone with training wanted to go to the trouble of constructing any explosive device like the one you said then they would probably take certain measures to ensure it could not be tampered with so any attempt would result in a anti tamper device being initiated. This could be any manner of switches to stop you opening the body of the laptop and even a light sensitive device. It could even have a tilt switch if the demolitions person did not expect (or want) it to be moved after it was placed and armed.
It would also not unusual to place two detonators. If the person who built the device did this then pulling one out (even if you could get to it) would do nothing. The builder of the device would not make it easy for any one but another expert to tackle. It would be better to leave the bomb and clear the area of people instead of trying to defuse.
I guess they did defuse the bomb with one second to spare?
have big digital clocks showing the countdown
benefit of the viewer, as I expect most Bombers wouldn't be as " Helpful " ?
Of course there are contingencies galore.
Based on your simple technical question, I submitted a simple technical answer. Trembler switches, remote detonations, "what if's", "there could be's", and "what one should actually do's" weren't in the equation. For all of the keyboard EOD techs out there. 8-)
Ian McCollum and Karl Kasarda of Forgotten Weapons and InRange actually compared the WA2000 to the SVD Dragunov. As you would expect, they found that the Walther was an excellent police rifle but way overpriced for its actual capabilities and needed to be babied to keep it from being damaged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgrVdNqfDfA
I don't remember who put it up, but another Bond-related video spoke about the gun instruction scene on the train in SPECTRE.
I was made aware how crazy Bond behaves in that scene. We have to keep in mind two facts:
1) The gun is loaded and has a round in the chamber.
2) He assumes Madeleine knows nothing about guns.
The first thing Bond does is telling Madeleine to pick up the gun. Telling someone who doesn't know guns to pick up a loaded gun is inviting serious accident. He's even sitting accross the table, making himself the likely victim of an accident.
Next he tells her the make of the pistol. How is that helpful?
Then he points out the hammer and front and rear sights - even my mother can point those out on a gun! If he had gone on explaining how the sights line up this would have been helpful, but he doesn't. Again he gives her useless information.
Why doesn'ty he tell her about trigger disipline, not to pint the gun at anyone she doesn't plan to shoot, the safety, the slide etc.
That would have been useful. If Madeleine wasn't already familiar with handguns she would have very likely fired the gun accidentally. If they were lucky they would have just damaged the train, become the center of the attention on the train and alert everyone that they were armed. The chance of someone getting shot was very high. What was Bond thinking?
Does not a safety have that Sig P226, my young Padawan! :v
-Mr Arlington Beech
It was also the inspiration behind the look of the Kingsman pistol.
The 1903 is a wonderful little pistol for keeping concealed. Very small and flat, and without the hammer to catch on clothing during the draw, it was quick to acquisition too.
No, I got you. You are spot on. The 1911 was well loved by commando units and overt SOE agents. Even Churchill had one and claimed it was his favourite pistol.
The woods at the back of our house were used by the SOE as training grounds for commando raids. They took over the old Manor House there. Even now I’m still finding ordnance and rounds fired over the vast area. They must have expended hundreds of thousands of 9mm rounds over there.
Here: https://flemingsbond.com/u-s-army-remington-carbine-300/
-Mr Arlington Beech
Anyone watched The Tiger King on Netflix ? Not to go in to too many details, but One
Member of his Zoo crew accidentally, when fooling around with his gun Shot Himself.
Before this happened on screen, I predicted it to my Daughter, as I explained how
some automatics work
( I know nothing about guns, only from what I've seen in movies and the bits and pieces
I've picked up on AJB, from our far more knowledgeable Members )
The guy on screen removed the clip of bullets from the gun and proceeded to tease another
member of staff, and the inevitable happened.
I expressed my opinion to my daughter that how someone who worked with Guns everyday
wouldn't know some basic safety techniques.
Although If anyone has seen the show they fool around with guns all the time, even pointing
loaded revolvers at the camera crew and eachother.
And here’s another. Just in case you’ve forgotten already.
But apart from that, you’re right. Removing a fully loaded pistols MAGAZINE doesn’t mean it’s safe. Although some manufacturers did add magazine safety’s to their weapons so that they couldn’t fire without a mag inserted. The Browning Hi Power being one. Anyway, people realised this was dumb, and it isn’t widely used anymore.
Back to the point. If the pistol had a round in the breech, then it was still live as removing the MAGAZINE has no affect on that, and it can still shoot as usual.
Now go back and look at those pictures, I won’t hear of such things again :v :v
women folk, ripping off a strip of my undergarments for bandages.
Next you'll be telling me holding it sideways and claiming to put a cap
in someone's Ass, isn't the done thing either !
This is self evident, because the "Real Gun People" always go "commando"!!
If for no other reason, that to be able to say that they can't rip their........ "undergarments...."? What? You wear a petticoat???
-Mr Arlington Beech
and not fitting for public discussion ........ I'm no slag !!
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