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Skyfall was Craig'' only standalone Bond, but SPECTRE ruined that.

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In regards to Spectre ruining Skyfall's stand-alone status, my head canon thinks that Blofeld was lying about being responsible for every event of the previous Craig films; sort of over inflating his achievements to stroke his ego.

I may be unpopular with this opinion but... I don't think Brosnan would have worked in Skyfall as written. It's a harder edged Bond, more world weary which I never got from Brosnan's Bond. I think that if you rewrite Skyfall to suit the Brosnan style (more jokes, more gadgets) you don't have what makes Skyfall work so well. There's something deeply macho and militaristic about Bond in Skyfall that I never got from the Brosnan era films.

May I suggest Dalton in Skyfall? Not just because he was a darker, serious Bond but mainly because he's a damn fine actor.

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Agree with all that Fiery Bond and I must admit it has also crossed my mind that EON might back track and make it that Blofeld was just playing psychological mind games with Bond regarding past film connections!

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IMO, video games like Nightfire or EON should have been Brosnan's last movie. They both had an interesting story and a good villain.

For EON, they even had a genuine cast with of course PB, Judi Dench and John Cleese, but also Willem Dafoe, Heidi Klum, Shannon Elizabeth and Mya (although I'm not a big fan of the title song she recorded). They could have produced something great to make Brosnan leave on a high note.

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I'd have loved to see that. I really wish Brosnan had more scripts like DC. I think he would have pulled off humor better and made the films feel more Bond.

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eric7064 wrote:

I'd have loved to see that. I really wish Brosnan had more scripts like DC. I think he would have pulled off humor better and made the films feel more Bond.

I completely agree. I think Daniel Craig is a magnificent Bond, especially in Casino Royale, but it's a little bit unfair Brosnan got all the bad scripts for his last three movies. I think he's a terrific actor and he should have played the character one more time. He was the modern Bond of Post-Cold War era.

The script of DAD should have been Skyfall's one. It would have been the greatest tribute for the 40th anniversary of the franchise. But what is done is done...

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both films have an opening act loosely inspired by Flemings Man with the Golden Gun, so thatd be an easy swap.

SkyFall and the World Is Not Enough both heavily feature M in peril plots, so that might be repetitive. Or might be a natural evolution of her character arc if they play it right.

a huge chunk of SkyFall is the introduction of a new Moneypenny, so thatd have to be changed. Though Naomi Harris is definitely an upgrade from the scolding bigsister Moneypenny of the Brosnan era, narratively it just wouldnt work, because unlike Q or M, Moneypenny is not a code name.
On the plus side, we just change the name of Harris' character, and Bond can get her in a clinch at the end, same as normal.

We just met John Cleese as R in tWiNE, but maybe instead of R getting promoted, they give the job to this kid from the IT department instead. Brosnan's attempts to trade witticisms with John Cleese were painful anyway, those scenes could easily go.

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They could remove the scene were Eve presents herself as Moneypenny and give the scenes were Eve works in the office for M to Samantha Bond. Easy.

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caractacus potts wrote:

both films have an opening act loosely inspired by Flemings Man with the Golden Gun, so thatd be an easy swap.

SkyFall and the World Is Not Enough both heavily feature M in peril plots, so that might be repetitive. Or might be a natural evolution of her character arc if they play it right.

a huge chunk of SkyFall is the introduction of a new Moneypenny, so thatd have to be changed. Though Naomi Harris is definitely an upgrade from the scolding bigsister Moneypenny of the Brosnan era, narratively it just wouldnt work, because unlike Q or M, Moneypenny is not a code name.
On the plus side, we just change the name of Harris' character, and Bond can get her in a clinch at the end, same as normal.

We just met John Cleese as R in tWiNE, but maybe instead of R getting promoted, they give the job to this kid from the IT department instead. Brosnan's attempts to trade witticisms with John Cleese were painful anyway, those scenes could easily go.



You didn’t get my point. Of course the characters of M, Moneypenny and Q shouldn’t have changed or been reintroduced like in SF because of the continuity towards TWINE. Otherwise it would have been irrelevant. And bringing back Q and Moneypenny is not the real interest of the movie IMO, it’s nothing more than well done fan service. The character of Naomie Harris could have been used in DAD. It would have been great if Jinx was actually that one.

By « script » I meant the global plot. The beginning of DAD is very interesting because it shows Bond in a similar situation as in SF.

After Bond is traded for Zao, M doesn’t trust him anymore and he also starts to have doubts about her loyalty to him. He feels alone against MI6 and he decides to investigate on his own as some kind of rogue agent like in LTK to find out the identity of the traitor within MI6. His failure during the mission in Noth Korea and his captivity were supposed to show Bond is not a Superman who always succeeds in what he does, which is exactly what Brosnan wanted and what they did later with SF. Unfortunately, from the first scene featuring Gustave Graves, we can see the movie doesn’t follow the concept and we get instead of that a ridiculous plot reminding Blofeld’s one in DAF.

DAD could have been great if they remained faithful to the concept of making Bond have doubts during the whole movie and perhaps Brosnan would have done another one after that...

That was my point.

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I didn't see your point when you originally made it, my own post was a coincidence.

But thank you for expanding on your point, you are correct DAD had a lot of potential that was squandered. And SkyFall explored similar ideas, but was more committed to following through.
in some ways SkyFall is like DAD done right.


how do we feel about having two M-in-peril plots in a row?

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DAD didn't have to have M in perill, did it?

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SkyFall would replace DAD and therefor be the followup to tWiNE...

unless you were suggesting SkyFall be Brosnans fifth film?
then we would have two Bond returns plots in a row, which would actually be more similar.

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Personally I'd prefer it if Skyfall replaced DAD, but the most recent discussion was about having Brosnan do both.

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Yes please, and the ones in between as well.

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I thought that SF was an attempt to remake TWINE so I can't see how the first would follow the other in Brosnan's tenure - too similar. Both were M-centric and about her past sins catching up with her, both fairly London centric - the Thames boat chase, the Tube thing, okay not that similar but same melancholic vibe and colour scheme.
The whole let's go back to my place finale - can't see that in Brosnan's output. 'What, all the way to bloody Ireland?'

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