Watching the 007 movies together?

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  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    edited May 2020
    So, I would like to suggest something different for one of the next viewings.

    Tomorrow, we have LALD and I‘d like to suggest TMWTGG or AVTAK next.

    The reason, why I am doing this is, because I would like to do one or 2 double-bills ( with a short break inbetween for Barbel :D )

    FYEO + OP in the next run when we have finished TB and DAF
    CR + QoS maybe as a final event

    What do people think about the plan with the doublebills?
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    Except for the "final event" bit, all seems fine. Why stop there?
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    Should we repeat all over again or watch them then at double speed? :D
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    TB, DAF, TND, TWINE, SP?

    Less seriously, NSNA and CR67?
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    edited May 2020
    Of course, we will do TB, DAF and Spectre before the grand finale CR+QoS.

    My vision for the next is:

    AVTAK,
    TND
    TWINE
    SP

    TB
    DAF

    TMWTGG

    FYEO + OP

    CR + QOS
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    After that, we could do a simultaneous turd-triple :D

    We are starring all at the same time and everybody can pick one out of Cr67, NSNA and LTD

    And we ALL comment in ONE thread.

    Sounds like fun to me :D

    Anyone guesses which one I will choose?
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    :))

    Just thought- TB and NSNA as a double bill? Somebody suggested that earlier.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    I wouldn't mind including CR54, but don't suppose everyone has it. It might be on YouTube, though.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    As for the TB-NSNA doublebill.

    I am not a fan because it will ruin the unique experience that TB is imo
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    That's fair enough. TB is one of my favourites (possibly my favourite, though I don't do lists) while NSNA most certainly is not and I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that way.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,699MI6 Agent
    I don't like the idea of double bills in general. It takes too much of the evening and we'll finish watching the Bonds far too early. We cn stretch this tradition well into the summer if we do this correctly. There is maybe one exception, and that's CR + QoS. The films are so closely linked in terms of plot, but very different in style. That can be interesting.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    I don't think Higgins means watching two in the one night.
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    Oh yes, I meant watching 2 movies in one night!
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,699MI6 Agent
    I think Higgins was talking about watching two movies in one night. It's just a feeling I have. :D
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    Ok, I'll drop the double bill idea then....
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    Well, anyone behind the idea of AVTAK on Friday? It's only a week late for May Day!
  • Shady TreeShady Tree London, UKPosts: 2,965MI6 Agent
    AVTAK, as Moore's last, would be good to see as a follow-on to LALD, which was Moore's first. Also, we've now had a series of viewings of movies which people, by and large, really like. The last to attract significant criticism/ fall-out was TLD. So maybe it's time for another iffy-ish John Glen entry of the same vintage - AVTAK probably fitting that bill.
    Critics and material I don't need. I haven't changed my act in 53 years.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,699MI6 Agent
    I like AVTAK for Friday
  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 3,906MI6 Agent
    You guys have been saying "because movie" a lot in these groupwatches.
    I think Gymkata started it when we were watching the big chase scene in the Spy Who Loved Me ?
    That's a completely irrational scene but just so beautifully executed and iconic.

    Anyway, its absolutely true a lot of things are done this way in our Bond films because that's the way we want our story to go, not because normal viewers care about plot-holes.
    But I think we oughta have a discussion about the Pros & Cons of why "because movie".


    the PRO's of Because Movie:

    I think the appeal of our Bond films is not that we want a good spy story. If we did we'd be watching a boring old le Carre adaptation.
    What we do want is an uptodate variation of an archetypic story form going back to the dawn of civilization, the whole Joseph Campbell Hero's Journey experience.

    We need that scene were "the Wizard", or Q in our case, gives The Hero his unique weapons, we need the hero to rescue the damsel in distress (even if the script tells us she's a rival spy equally competent to our hero), we need the big gory cathartic slaying of the dragon, we need the villains headquarters to explode in the end.

    All these things must happen ritualistically for our hero to save the world, and if they're not all there, its not a proper James Bond movie. It's also not a proper Hero's Journey.
    That deep ancestral collective unconscious need for an archetypic story form is not satisifed, and logic has nothing to do with it.

    George Lucas was quite explicit about the Joseph Campbell influence when he made Star Wars, and he cobbled together various images from past film genres that served the requirements to synthesise his uptodate variation.
    The Spy Who Loved Me by coincidence came out the same year as Star Wars, and it is probably the closest of all James Bond movies to meeting the requirements of the archetypic Hero's Journey.

    Have the filmmakers commented on this? I know Fleming alluded to it, he was pastiching a lot of tropes from Victorian adventure novels and children's fiction like Treasure Island, and quite specifically referenced the image of St George and the Dragon, especially in Dr No, also in You Only Live Twice.
    (as did his good friend Raymond Chandler in the Big Sleep, but I think he was being ironic)


    Anyway, I believe that's why things often don't make sense in terms of how a realistic spy story should work, and why no-one really wants them to. The more realistic James Bond movies are typically criticized for not being proper James Bond adventures!
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    Well said!
  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 3,906MI6 Agent
    edited May 2020
    as for
    the CON's of Because Movie:

    I'd actually prefer to see some creative fanfic explanations of these plot holes we keep noticing.

    In the Marvel Comics of the 1960s, when Stan Lee was writing and editing everything, he worked quite hard to make sure everything that happened in a dozen different ongoing serials all made consistent sense in a shared universe.
    He frequently messed up, and whenever he did, readers would write in letters, not only identifying the mistake, but with Stan's encouragement, suggesting increasingly creative explanations. When Stan thought these fan explanations good enough, they actually became canon.

    And Stan would reward fans with something called the No-Prize when they wrote in a good explanation around the seeming plot holes!

    I have no No-Prizes to give out, but I would love to see some creative explanations patching up these seeming plot holes as we encounter them!

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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,699MI6 Agent
    Well said, but aren't the moderators going to cencor the nudity? :v
  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 3,906MI6 Agent
    when its 800 years old its not nudity its Fine Art
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,699MI6 Agent
    I have to find out exactly where that age limit for naked art goes …. :D
  • JTMJTM Posts: 3,027MI6 Agent
    Sorry that I've missed a lot of these recent rewatches lads, I've been away from the forum for a bit due to some personal stuff, but I'll try and catch TND with you tomorrow!
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    Great, see you tonight then!
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,618MI6 Agent
    So, tomorrow, we‘ll have Thunderball.

    Now the question: Should we follow TB with NSNA?
    If we don‘t do it, we‘ll likely have to do it after the full run of the 24 EON Bonds and we may not thave much interest.
    Or should we drop NSNa entirely?
    President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

    Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 21,699MI6 Agent
    NSNA is interesting, so I think we should watch it.
  • Shady TreeShady Tree London, UKPosts: 2,965MI6 Agent
    If it's to be OP next, this will help re-live 'the Battle of the Bonds', which was much hyped in 83. Except we'll have seen NSNA first, the other way round to the original release order...
    Critics and material I don't need. I haven't changed my act in 53 years.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 36,053Chief of Staff
    Having just watched NSNA, I'm reminded of M's words from OP:

    M: Top marks, 007.
    Bond: Thank you, sir.
    M: Except it's a fake. There's the real thing-

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    M: It's being watched at AJB on Monday evening. We could use an extra pair of eyes...
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