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It does seem to have been part of John Glen's strategy in OP to alternate between more serious dramatic conflict and cartoonish sequences. He tried to draw on different parts of the legacy, with films like FRWL and OHMSS on the one hand and broadly comic elements on the other - and in this case the Indian setting was an exoticised 'Boy's Own' world from an imaginary past rather than the stylised high-tech world of hyper modernity seen in other Bond film settings. Popular British television was in the background too. Concerning your points about the cartoonish raid by Octopussy's girls, it was only in 1980 that 'The Two Ronnies' had included in their phenomenally popular show a memorable mini serial 'The Worm That Turned', in which Diana Dors had headed up squads of sexy girls in bettering the male of the species in a 'role reversal' fantasy.

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Critics and material I don't need. I haven't changed my act in 49 years.

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So thank you very much for joining in yesterday.

I must say, that it was a feast for me.
The locations in India are incredibly beautiful - just like Moonraker, you can see that they where throwing with money.
In particular I have enjoyed Roger Moore's performance.

Very often, he's accused of being the geezer Bond, particularly in his last movies.
How wrong that is when you watch OP carefully. He certainly shows his age, he's witty as always, but there are many moments, where he plays it straight and serious! In a german 007 book, it's said that he can be funny at one moment and then be cold like a dog snout.
What a talented wonderful actor he was!

Louis Jordan is the perfect villain for him - just like Michael Londsdale was!
I very much enjoyed Maud Adams who plays a wonderful complex charcter and shows that she's certainly more than eye candy.

Negatives to me are the too long and less glamourous train scenes and you can see Moore's stuntdouble too often clearly (is that just an issue because we have HD now?) - in particular BJ Worth in the last action sequence.

All in all 2 hours well spent!

President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

-------Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!------

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I too enjoyed last night watching Octopussy. There is a lot of silliness in OP, but unlike MR I think the tone is fairly consistent. Roger Moore clearly enjoyed playing Bond in OP, and the actreses had good characters to play.

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Number24 wrote:

I too enjoyed last night watching Octopussy. There is a lot of silliness in OP, but unlike MR I think the tone is fairly consistent. Roger Moore clearly enjoyed playing Bond in OP, and the actreses had good characters to play.

I personally find MR to be much more tonally consistent (the gondola chase aside) in terms of escalating the insanity, but OP did provide an overall enjoyable experience.  It's one of the stronger of the Moore era films and went up in my estimation with yesterday's viewing.

Current rankings:
OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>OP>DN>
TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton

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OP is a mix of silliness and a thriller, in my opinion. MR is all over the place: sci-fi, a bit of horror, straight action and a lot of silliness.

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Number24 wrote:

OP is a mix of silliness and a thriller, in my opinion. MR is all over the place: sci-fi, a bit of horror, straight action and a lot of silliness.

I think that Lewis Gilbert was far more skilled at managing tone than John Glen was, but I'm also a proud member of the CULT OF MOONRAKER who thinks that that film is almost a masterpiece.  As such, take my opinion with a large grain of salt.  ajb007/smile

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TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton

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I am another one who is a die hard Moonraker fan -because of its Sci Fi credentials.

  Michael Lonsdale is the perfect Bond baddie as Drax, because the character has his poles reversed.
Ultra calm almost flat, he shows quirks of annoyance or amusement. It makes the character more of an enigma.
A sharp contrast to Flemings Goldfinger Mark II in the book.   Having said that, I agree the film goes from Standard Bond
to wince painfully wiht the Gondola, and back to wow wee with the Space Shuttle fleet. Even his bonkers plan is not
devastate the world a'la Blofeld (Pleasance) or Stromberg, its save the World by eliminating its overiding problem - humanity.
That's thought provoking  and horrific on several different levels.


Ocotopussy is the opposite. We have very focussed sharp actors, all of whom compliment the leading man, and the story is designed around that.  Of course that is also why there are awkward annoying plot holes -  which egg, which jewels, which Baddie?  IN the end the Egg and the jewels are plot maguffins, and  Orlov is the crackpot character -  leaving Louis Jordan's Khan to be the quiet devious Dr No type.  One who uses wit and menace in balanced measure.

The point about influences of the day is a noted one.  As well as The Two Ronnies, Benny Hill, Little & Large, Kenny Everett  Three Of A Kind and Morcombe & Wise were at the height of the entertainment ratings on UK tv.  The cheeky verbal gags are more reflective of the latter, the more risque stuff belonging to the others.    As I noted myself even the likes of Alien gets a nod.   -   Name dropping and cultural referencing is everywhere now.  In those days it was very hit and miss. And of course there was the Falklands conflict, which the PTS bears more than a nod to, too.

    However -  none of these things have dated either OCT or MKR to the same extent as NSNA or AVTAK has sagged over the decades. In the end, The House Of Eon still knew how to present an entertaining film in very uncertain times.

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Thunderbird 2 wrote:

I am another one who is a die hard Moonraker fan -because of its Sci Fi credentials.


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TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton

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Gymkata wrote:
Barbel wrote:
Gymkata wrote:

I rode in a Tuc Tuc once when I was in the Philippines.  I thought I was going to die.  Never again.

The Bride wants us to go to Thailand and ride in one together....

Don't. 

Don't.


Really, don't.



Just...don't do it.

I think Gymkata must have had a really bad experience in the Philippines, because the tricycles as they are called here, (not Tuc Tuc’s), are an amazingly enjoyable experience as are the Jeepney’s, both pictured below.

I had no problems with tuk  tuk’s when I was in Thailand on my Far East tour, although as Higgin’s commented,  it is advisable not to hire mopeds because many are in dangerous condition.




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Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

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Around 50 people on mopeds are dying in Thailand every day and significant number of those (and of those who are getting injured) are tourists.

When I am there, I never rent something and I make sure that if I hire a driver, he's on 4 wheels at least  ajb007/biggrin

President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

-------Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!------

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Points taken, gentlemen. Of course, no-one is going anywhere at the moment so it's academic till things change!

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Higgins wrote:

Around 50 people on mopeds are dying in Thailand every day and significant number of those (and of those who are getting injured) are tourists.

When I am there, I never rent something and I make sure that if I hire a driver, he's on 4 wheels at least  ajb007/biggrin

Wow! That is a terrible number of daily deaths.

Here in Cebu/Mactan, we have an average of less than 50 motor related deaths per year with a population of 1.5 million. Probably because most of the time traffic is nose to tail  ajb007/biggrin

It’s been many years since I’ve been on a tricycle but always had a driver!

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

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Here we have slightly more than 100 killed in traffic every year in a population of 5.4 million. Don't mind me, I'm just being a braggart about something I can't take credit for again.

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What about the moose though! ajb007/smile

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emtiem wrote:

What about the moose though! ajb007/smile

Is that for real though, or just Fake Moose?

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When you crash into a moose it will probably die, but in many cases the the two people sitting in front in the car die too. The moose can weigh 800 kilos and most of that weight is in windshield height. I don't know haow many moose get killed in traffic every year and we don't have them here at the west coast.

ajb007/lol
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emtiem wrote:

What about the moose though! ajb007/smile

“I can speak English”

(Only some Brits will get this!)

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

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ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol

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CoolHandBond wrote:
Higgins wrote:

Around 50 people on mopeds are dying in Thailand every day and significant number of those (and of those who are getting injured) are tourists.

When I am there, I never rent something and I make sure that if I hire a driver, he's on 4 wheels at least  ajb007/biggrin

Wow! That is a terrible number of daily deaths.

Here in Cebu/Mactan, we have an average of less than 50 motor related deaths per year with a population of 1.5 million. Probably because most of the time traffic is nose to tail  ajb007/biggrin

It’s been many years since I’ve been on a tricycle but always had a driver!

By the way, I LOVED my time in the Philippines.  I was there for work 5 years ago and, while I stayed in the Makati area of Manila, I had coworkers there take me all over.  The Ta'al volcano, for instance, was amazing.

It's just that one day where I wanted to get somewhere and took a Tuc Tuc/Jeepney/similar that I really felt unsafe.  The whole ride, all I could think of is 'I'm going to die.  I'm really going to die.'

I'm hoping that work sends me back so that I can bring my wife.  I think she'd have an amazing time there as well.

Current rankings:
OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>OP>DN>
TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton

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If you ever find yourself in Cebu, let me know  ajb007/cheers

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.