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Eon won't pay a movie star to play Bond. If their Bond becomes a movie star, that's another story.

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Cheverian wrote:
Gassy Man wrote:

It doesn't necessarily translate into anything meaningful onscreen.  Look at SPECTRE, which was one of the most expensive Bond films.  The villain's lair turned out to be be a mostly-CGI oil refinery populated by a few dozen extras we hardly saw.  It wasn't the volcano with a cast of hundreds and a real helipad. It's amazing how much they spent on the movie and how long it took to make it, yet so many scenes are virtually empty of people and action.

You absolutely nailed the problem with SPECTRE. Almost none of that money made it onto the screen. Meanwhile, some of the scenes I liked best (e.g, the train fight) had to have been among the least expensive to make.

I've noticed this in just about every movie Mendes makes.  He likes to do the opposite of everyone else, that is, he starts big and then gets smaller and smaller until the end.  He loves a lot of the same shots, such as a lone person traveling along some kind of pathway. 

SPECTRE often feels like a TV show with a low budget that tries to maximize the situation by using big, empty spaces.  The Avengers and Jerry Anderson's UFO used to do that, for instance, but the difference was these show were brilliant at turning all that into part of the weirdness of their stories.  SPECTRE lacks the self awareness to realize it doesn't work.  These are literally just big empty spaces.

But Mendes burns up money like he's printing it, and the results are underwhelming, and I would include Skyfall in that assessment, too.  But at least that movie raided The Dark Knight and Straw Dogs enough to cover some of it up. 

SPECTRE should have pulled out all the stops.  We should have gotten a volcano twice as big and with twice as much action.  Instead, hardly anything happened.  It has all the spectacle of a TV dinner. 

I'm glad Mendes doesn't have anything to do with Bond anymore, though NTTD has a lot of visual cues that look he could have been the director.

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It seems unlikely there will be a vaccine in 2020. Unless they find a medicine or the infection is contained enough in the most important territiories in time I don't see how NTTD will be release in November.

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Number24 wrote:

It seems unlikely there will be a vaccine in 2020. Unless they find a medicine or the infection is contained enough in the most important territiories in time I don't see how NTTD will be release in November.

Maybe pushed back to an Easter 2021 date?

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I suspect so.  But let's hope they find a medicine this summer and the Movie can be released in november, and not just for the sake of NTTD  ajb007/shifty

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Number24 wrote:

I suspect so.  But let's hope they find a medicine this summer and the Movie can be released in november, and not just for the sake of NTTD  ajb007/shifty

That would be a great thing for the whole world wouldn't it?.......... ajb007/smile

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Yes, there would be some positive side effects for the world in general  ajb007/biggrin

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So Chinese cinemas have been gradually re-opened, Australian cinemas are re-opening this month and US cinemas are looking to do the same. Not sure about UK or the EU. Christopher Nolan's big-budget Tenet is sticking with its July 17 release date; Mulan with its July 24 date; and Wonder Woman 1984 with its August 14 date. November is still a long way off (half a year)...think of where the world was 6 months ago (it was actually relatively normal!). I don't think we need to worry about not seeing NTTD at the cinemas this year.

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I think UK, EU, US and Chinese cinemas being open at the time of release is a miniumum requrement. That's some way of yet.

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This weekend's Parade magazine (for those outside North America or who don't subscribe to that dying industry of newspapers, it's the Sunday paper insert) had a cover story on the late summer releases of such big movies as Wonder Woman 84.  I think if the studios and theaters plan to be back in business by August, there's no reason to believe NTTD will be pushed back further.  Well, no reason than another viral outbreak.

Vox clamantis in deserto

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Hardyboy wrote:

This weekend's Parade magazine (for those outside North America or who don't subscribe to that dying industry of newspapers, it's the Sunday paper insert)…

I’m SO glad you added that - Parade was a very different magazine in the UK  ajb007/amazed

Errr...so I’m told ajb007/embarrassed

YNWA 96

The Unbearables

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Sir Miles wrote:
Hardyboy wrote:

This weekend's Parade magazine (for those outside North America or who don't subscribe to that dying industry of newspapers, it's the Sunday paper insert)…

I’m SO glad you added that - Parade was a very different magazine in the UK  ajb007/amazed

Errr...so I’m told ajb007/embarrassed

Apparently it was a magazine for the discerning gentleman who wanted to keep abreast of the latest developments

One of us smells like a tart's handkerchief.

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Hardyboy wrote:

I think if the studios and theaters plan to be back in business by August, there's no reason to believe NTTD will be pushed back further.  Well, no reason than another viral outbreak.

The latter will be something to await, yet seriously consider... Societies are starting to open up again, slowly but steadily. However, the virus seems to back down / go silent due to rising temperatures and dryer air, brought on by summer.
If this changes during fall, the virus might be back, big time...

EON will have to anticipate on this.

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I certainly hope so, but I think most social environments will be very different for some time yet. I think with the very long wait, I will treat me and the other half to a visit to an IMAX to watch it  ajb007/biggrin

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USA Today just released this article: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/won … 02425.html

It looks like No Time To Die will be releasing sooner in the US than what was planned before. The premier for the UK remains unchanged.

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With cases surging in North America I do not see the movie coming out this year.

Either they are going to have to wait until there is a vaccine and the dust settles with COVID or release via Online Channels charging a premium...the thing is also that this is not their fault...no one saw this coming.

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Sriram858 wrote:

With cases surging in North America I do not see the movie coming out this year.

Either they are going to have to wait until there is a vaccine and the dust settles with COVID or release via Online Channels charging a premium...the thing is also that this is not their fault...no one saw this coming.

Agreed. It will be a long time before we’re out of rolling lockdowns. You can’t release a blockbuster in that climate. They need to accept it and stream the film or it could be a couple of years before we see it.

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Miles Messervy wrote:
Sriram858 wrote:

With cases surging in North America I do not see the movie coming out this year.

Either they are going to have to wait until there is a vaccine and the dust settles with COVID or release via Online Channels charging a premium...the thing is also that this is not their fault...no one saw this coming.

Agreed. It will be a long time before we’re out of rolling lockdowns. You can’t release a blockbuster in that climate. They need to accept it and stream the film or it could be a couple of years before we see it.

If NTTD ends up streaming.....I'll need to buy a bigger TV. James Bond will need at least a 65" set. ajb007/lol

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Will November be the release month? Its still too early to say. There are advantages and disadvantages to releasing in November vs pushing back into 2021. To be honest, I think that if Eon are forced to pull the film back again to mid or late 2021, they will consider simply releasing NTTD in November 2022 and repackaging it as a 60th anniversary celebration. This might be an effective way to rebuild public hype and interest, as well as ensuring a very long gap to allow this current situation to get better. What do others think?

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SpectreOfDefeat wrote:

Will November be the release month? Its still too early to say. There are advantages and disadvantages to releasing in November vs pushing back into 2021. To be honest, I think that if Eon are forced to pull the film back again to mid or late 2021, they will consider simply releasing NTTD in November 2022 and repackaging it as a 60th anniversary celebration. This might be an effective way to rebuild public hype and interest, as well as ensuring a very long gap to allow this current situation to get better. What do others think?

I'm sure there are large debts to be paid, which is probably why they won't wait until 2022 to release it, despite the benefits you mention.

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Sriram858 wrote:

With cases surging in North America I do not see the movie coming out this year.

Either they are going to have to wait until there is a vaccine and the dust settles with COVID or release via Online Channels charging a premium...the thing is also that this is not their fault...no one saw this coming.

"North America" isn't quite accurate. Canada has its COVID19 problem almost under control with about 300 cases per day and fifteen deaths per day and a declining positivity rate. It will probably be in the low single digits in deaths/day by November.

It's the US which has the problem with about 50,000 cases per day, 600 deaths per day and a rising positivity rate.

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Matt S wrote:
SpectreOfDefeat wrote:

Will November be the release month? Its still too early to say. There are advantages and disadvantages to releasing in November vs pushing back into 2021. To be honest, I think that if Eon are forced to pull the film back again to mid or late 2021, they will consider simply releasing NTTD in November 2022 and repackaging it as a 60th anniversary celebration. This might be an effective way to rebuild public hype and interest, as well as ensuring a very long gap to allow this current situation to get better. What do others think?

I'm sure there are large debts to be paid, which is probably why they won't wait until 2022 to release it, despite the benefits you mention.

The interest rate on those debts is probably about 6%. Assume the loan amount is $200 million. That's $12 million a year in interest expenses. I'm guessing EON's willing to pay that for some time rather than lose 20-30% off its box office gross on a $1 billion + movie.

And that's the best case scenario.

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The pandemic stuff is so unpredictable but there is no question that things are back on the rise in the States, in particular in areas/states where restrictions have been relaxed and there were not as many restrictions to begin with. A vaccine notwithstanding it continues to be a bumpy ride. From what I have read, the theater chains were looking to reopen in July but who knows. I would have to believe that the streaming option would be a last resort but I would also venture to guess that they have a date in mind when they would need to go to streaming unless they have done some sort of financial wizardry in re-negotiating with creditors.

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Gala Brand wrote:
Sriram858 wrote:

With cases surging in North America I do not see the movie coming out this year.

Either they are going to have to wait until there is a vaccine and the dust settles with COVID or release via Online Channels charging a premium...the thing is also that this is not their fault...no one saw this coming.

"North America" isn't quite accurate. Canada has its COVID19 problem almost under control with about 300 cases per day and fifteen deaths per day and a declining positivity rate. It will probably be in the low single digits in deaths/day by November.

It's the US which has the problem with about 50,000 cases per day, 600 deaths per day and a rising positivity rate.

Gala Brand wrote:
Sriram858 wrote:

With cases surging in North America I do not see the movie coming out this year.

Either they are going to have to wait until there is a vaccine and the dust settles with COVID or release via Online Channels charging a premium...the thing is also that this is not their fault...no one saw this coming.

"North America" isn't quite accurate. Canada has its COVID19 problem almost under control with about 300 cases per day and fifteen deaths per day and a declining positivity rate. It will probably be in the low single digits in deaths/day by November.

It's the US which has the problem with about 50,000 cases per day, 600 deaths per day and a rising positivity rate.

And the United States federal government has given us no reason to expect anything will change, in terms of mitigating policies and procedures, before the November election. If there is a strategy (and I don't think there is) it's a version of the one Sweden tried and aborted.

Where I live, restaurants are open for indoor dining, but few people are dining based on news reports, and I expect them to close again as the positive cases, followed by deaths, spike. Movie theaters face the same predicament. Hollywood doesn't just need cinemas to be open, they need people going in droves.

Would MGM be willing to launch NTTD worldwide without the US audience it needs to hit its profit targets? I doubt it.

I often think about how close EON came to having the film ready February 14. It certainly would have suffered in East Asian markets by then but it might have had a solid, if abbreviated, run elsewhere.

There's an old saying that you make your own luck. Since Cubby died, with some notable exceptions (eg. casting Craig), EON has made its own lucklessness.

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It’s a catch 22 for EON. Much of the world might be open for business by November, but the US will not be among that group because our leadership and certain elements of our populace and comply incapable of adequately confronting this situation. But without the US box office, they can’t make the money they need.