426

Re: AJB live commentary on Casino Royale 1967

Golrush007 wrote:

That is something I could never say about NSNA - I think I've only ever watched that film all the way through on 1 or 2 occasions.

Well, NSNA (for all its good lines) lacks the fun element that CR67 has

427

Re: AJB live commentary on Casino Royale 1967

On the other hand NSNA has a plot

428

Re: AJB live commentary on Casino Royale 1967

Here's my review:

https://media0.giphy.com/media/LuWzue7DdWbNm/giphy.gif

Did you ever have a friend who really, really thought he was funny but wasn't?  Kinda like the Bruno Kirby character in GOOD MORNING, VIETNAM...a person who is convinced that he's funny but is totally off of the mark.  THIS film is that friend.  It's trying so hard to be zany and funny that it falls absolutely flat, only having the occasional moment here and there land.  Look, a clapping seal with a 007 medallion around his neck!  Isn't that funny?  No?  Well, how about Indians with tepee parachutes!  Isn't that funny?  No?  Hmm.

And I'm sorry but I like my movies to have plots and narrative throughlines to engage me.  I need to care about what's going on, and there's never a single moment in this film where I care in the slightest as to what was happening on screen.  It was all just noise, a random collection of disjointed scenes without any real rhyme or reason.

This film is a phenomenal waste of money and talent.  The fact that it made money is baffling to me.

Last edited by Gymkata (29th Jun 2020 21:35)

Current rankings:
OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>OP>DN>
TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton

429

Re: AJB live commentary on Casino Royale 1967

There's some good highbrow praise of CR67 here:

http://brightlightsfilm.com/casino-roya … vpdryhKiUk

Critics and material I don't need. I haven't changed my act in 49 years.

430

Re: AJB live commentary on Casino Royale 1967

And to be clear: if you liked this film, more power to you.  As I've said before, it'd be a boring world if we all liked the same thing.

Current rankings:
OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>OP>DN>
TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton

431

Re: AJB live commentary on Casino Royale 1967

It just hit me where I've heard that them song before.  I believe a variant of it is used for the DESPICABLE ME movies as Gru's main theme.

Current rankings:
OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>OP>DN>
TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton

432

Re: AJB live commentary on Casino Royale 1967

Number24 wrote:

On the other hand NSNA has a plot

Yes, it does- it's called "Thunderball"

433

Re: AJB live commentary on Casino Royale 1967

Barbel wrote:
Number24 wrote:

On the other hand NSNA has a plot

Yes, it does- it's called "Thunderball"

So true  ajb007/lol

But CR-67 could have used the plot of Casino Royale as a framework to build the jokes around.

434

Re: AJB live commentary on Casino Royale 1967

Number24 wrote:

CR-67 could have used the plot of Casino Royale as a framework to build the jokes around.

It does that, for only about 10 or 15 minutes- and badly!

435

Re: AJB live commentary on Casino Royale 1967

I read that the final scene as with the whole film was painfully pieced around Sellers absence.

The actor was nervous and a bit paranoid of working with Orson Welles. He was constantly late due to trying to save his marriage. Welles made pointed remarks about punctuality, and when HRH Princess Margaret a friend of Sellers made a bee line for Welles while visiting the set, that was the last straw.   The baccarat scenes had to use doubles as Sellers refused to work with Welles any more.

Charles Feldman was hopping about to appease Sellers as much as possible, hiring more and more studio space, scrapping ideas he had committed to at the filming stage...   the film ended up with four key directors each working on their own segments of the script, with no idea what each other was doing.   
   Val Guest was given the thankless job of piecing the mess into some sort of cohesive thing.
Feldman, overwhelmed with gratitude, said he would give him a special credit. Co Ordinating Director.   Guest, genuinely offended and angry shouted, “You do that, I’ll sue you,for every penny you have left after this mess!  People take one look and say This is co-ordinated?!”  They settled on additional sequences by. 

The film is notable as it took up Pinewood and MGM Borehamwood, and keeping a lid on the PR mess was next to impossible. Sellers, who wrecked the film with his lack of co-operation happily blew the story (at least the bit he was in) to the press. An unforgivable sin in the industry then, unheard of today.
Equally, a depressed Woody Allen wrote to a friend saying the film stinks as did his part. The sets were all modern art nouveau vulgarity and every time Feldman revised the script, he would leave in the build ups and cut out the punchlines!  The director of those scenes assured Allen they would solve this problem by letting Feldman think he was making changes, and then put back in the missing punch lines, filming what Allen intended. - Which is precisely what they did.

There was fear, scare mongering and hysteria about how much damage it would do to careers - on both sides of the camera. But in the end, Charles Feldman himself was the only real casualty. He only made one more film after CR-67, then died of a cancerous ulcer, aggravated and accelerated by extreme stress. 

In a cruel twist of fate, Sellers had yet to start the most noted and successful part of his career with the Pink Panther films, and the rest of the cast would be remembered for everything else they did, especially Niven, Allen and Andress. 

As to The House Of Eon, they were too busy focussing on YOLT to worry about the faltering spoof that occupied Pinewood before them.  It’s unchallenged success, meant Feldman in more ways than one, got off the hook.

One factor that is fascinating.... originally Feldman had wanted Sir Sean in the film, when it was supposed to be a ‘real’ Bond film.  Sir Sean’s price tag was one million. Poss out of concern how the House Of Eon would react.   After the dust settled, Feldman told Sir Sean, paying you a million would a bargain after what I have spent, lost and been through with this film.

The House Of Eon would get the last laugh, just shy of 40 years later.  CR-06, would prove itself to be the best James Bond film right across the board, and confirm once and for all, no one makes 007 as well as the House that Eon Built!

Last edited by Thunderbird 2 (29th Jun 2020 21:56)

This is Thunderbird 2, how can I be of assistance?

436

Re: AJB live commentary on Casino Royale 1967

Barbel wrote:
Number24 wrote:

CR-67 could have used the plot of Casino Royale as a framework to build the jokes around.

It does that, for only about 10 or 15 minutes- and badly!

That they did

437

Re: AJB live commentary on Casino Royale 1967

of note: on this day in 1979, MOONRAKER was released.

I think I may watch it again as antidote.

Current rankings:
OHMSS>FRWL>CR>TSWLM>YOLT>MR>SF>FYEO>GE>OP>DN>
TWINE>TND>QOS>TB>TMWTGG>GF>LALD>TLD>AVTAK>SP>DAF>LTK>DAD
Bond rankings: Lazenby>Moore>Connery>Craig>Brosnan>Dalton

438

Re: AJB live commentary on Casino Royale 1967

Gymkata wrote:

And to be clear: if you liked this film, more power to you.  As I've said before, it'd be a boring world if we all liked the same thing.

That's certainly true. I know you're a big MR fan, too, as am I. I kind of wonder whether CR67 opened up that space which allowed the official Bonds to go a little crazy from time to time. One difference is that CR67 wasn't wanting to appeal so much to kids - it was aiming, more, to be a blast for hip young adults - whereas those of us who fell in love with the big 'fantasy' Bonds in the Eon series often first saw them as kids, finding in them more than enough to excite at the level of comic-strip action.

Last edited by Shady Tree (30th Jun 2020 08:03)

Critics and material I don't need. I haven't changed my act in 49 years.

439

Re: AJB live commentary on Casino Royale 1967

I think FRWL, LTK or indeed CR-06are better antidotes.
Using MR as an antidote to CR-67 is a bit like those fine people who fights off a powerful hangover with a shot od vodka  ajb007/shifty

440

Re: AJB live commentary on Casino Royale 1967

On that note my final thought....

The best example of and the plot went boom?

“Moonraker One.... lift off.....

(Explosion).   ....We have lift off!!”     ajb007/biggrin



Goodnight Folks.    ajb007/bond

This is Thunderbird 2, how can I be of assistance?

441

Re: AJB live commentary on Casino Royale 1967

Feldman had at one point approached Eon with an offer to do a joint production, but Cubby and Harry refused having the McClory/TB situation on their minds.
If perhaps they had said yes, then a 1960s Eon-style CR starring Sean Connery would have existed. That would obviously be better than the film we saw last night, but the downside would be that there would be no CR06. I wonder how BB & MGW would have rebooted the series if the rights to CR hadn't become theirs after so many years?
Also- if Connery had been in this hypothetical CR and proceeded to quit afterwards, perhaps the next film would still have been OHMSS with Lazenby but the one after would be YOLT thus restoring book order and solving the continuity problem of Bond and Blofeld not recognising each other atop a Swiss Alp?

442

Re: AJB live commentary on Casino Royale 1967

It's probably as well that there was no mid-60s deal resulting in an Eon CR with Connery. An early 60s CR directed by Terence Young in the style of FRWL, and as a reasonably faithful Fleming adaptation, would have been ideal, imho (especially if Peter Lorre or Orson Welles had played Le Chiffre), but by the mid-60s, with GF and TB having charted a more outlandish course for the series, CR might have mutated into some sort of space race/atomic weapons story, with bits of Fleming thrown in.

As it is, CR06 was probably the best use, at the optimal time, of the belatedly acquired rights. Mads Mikkelsen was the third brilliant actor to give us a memorable LeChiffre, and Eva Green was the second beautiful actress to play Vesper. (In '54 Linda Christian had played 'Valerie Mathis'.)

CR67 exists as a sumptuously oddball sideshow, whose significance as far as the main series is concerned was probably to influence new contributors such as Tom Manckiewicz and Christopher Wood - and returning directors Guy Hamilton and Lewis Gilbert - to indulge a little more of the wacky or the bizzare at the edges of their 70s Bond films than they otherwise might have.

At least two of the three existing screen versions of CR fail to give us a proper incarnation of James Bond.

Last edited by Shady Tree (30th Jun 2020 08:49)

Critics and material I don't need. I haven't changed my act in 49 years.

443

Re: AJB live commentary on Casino Royale 1967

Shady Tree wrote:

At least two of the three existing screen versions of CR fail to give us a proper incarnation of James Bond.

Oh, at least.  ajb007/cheers  ajb007/cheers  ajb007/cheers

444

Re: AJB live commentary on Casino Royale 1967

As a bit of a footnote, I don't know if anyone else here was a fan of the AMC series 'Mad Men'. There was one episode where Don Draper is seen in a cinema watching CR67 and another episode - I think in the same season - where Nancy Sinatra's YOLT song is played over the end credits. I think Draper is seen in a cinema for YOLT as well, if I remember correctly. The show is suggesting how the Bondmania of 67 shaped not only the pop cultural landscape of the day but also the personal values and style of a player like Draper.

Critics and material I don't need. I haven't changed my act in 49 years.

445

Re: AJB live commentary on Casino Royale 1967

Shady Tree wrote:

It's probably as well that there was no mid-60s deal resulting in an Eon CR with Connery. An early 60s CR directed by Terence Young in the style of FRWL, and as a reasonably faithful Fleming adaptation, would have been ideal, imho (especially if Peter Lorre or Orson Welles had played Le Chiffre), but by the mid-60s, with GF and TB having charted a more outlandish course for the series, CR might have mutated into some sort of space race/atomic weapons story, with bits of Fleming thrown in.

I linked to this upthread, but you guys probably missed it, what with the entertaining film you were watching and all...
See this old thread about the unused Ben Hecht script that evolved into the "funny" version. Thanks to Jeremy Duns research we actually know quite a bit about what was once intended as a proper adaptation. It was actually going to be darker than the EON films, but with some goofy ideas added as well.

Having just watched the Silencers (1966) the other night, I don't believe CR67 opened the doors for more outlandish content, it was just one more in a trend of over the top spy spoofs, only a bit more ambitious and totally out of control.
Even before Dr No, Hope and Crosby did Road to Hong Kong, which anticipates the scifi excesses and comedy stylings.

446

Re: AJB live commentary on Casino Royale 1967

caractacus potts wrote:

Having just watched the Silencers (1966) the other night, I don't believe CR67 opened the doors for more outlandish content, it was just one more in a trend of over the top spy spoofs, only a bit more ambitious and totally out of control.
Even before Dr No, Hope and Crosby did Road to Hong Kong, which anticipates the scifi excesses and comedy stylings.

I take your point. In spite of poor notices, the fact that CR67 did well at the box office as a spoof which explicitly carried Bond's name may nevertheless have emboldened choices to introduce elements of broad comedy to some of the Eon films which followed in the 70s.

In flaunting a notion that it's "too much for one James Bond" CR67 was at once acknowledging the proliferation of surrounding Bond spoofs and, perhaps, anticipating the casting challenges which Eon itself would face when Connery finally stepped aside - an actor for whom YOLT apparently proved "too much". Moneypenny's line-em-up kissing trials in CR67 are like a sly foreshadowing of future Bond screen tests - as well as a witty reference to the ubiquity of competing spy fare on the market, all in need of case-by-case evaluation. Passing Moneypenny's smooching test but then curtailed, CR67's Cooper is a representative model, a generic OO7 looking as much like Dean Martin (Matt Helm) as he looks like Connery.

Last edited by Shady Tree (30th Jun 2020 17:01)

Critics and material I don't need. I haven't changed my act in 49 years.