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Moore Not Less wrote:
Dan Same wrote:

except for AVTAK in which he was too old.

Perhaps Roger should have sensed the time was right to quit after OP. While he wouldn't exactly have gone out on an all time high it would have been a much more fitting finale than AVTAK.

No doubt there was a sense of relief and some satisfaction for both Roger and Eon that OP beat NSNA and Sean Connery at the box office. This probably explains why Roger signed up a year before AVTAK. As opposed to FYEO & OP where he signed up almost at the last minute. This meant that Eon/Wilson/Maibaum knew they had a 57 year old Bond well in advance.

What did they do? The completely ignored Roger's age. E.G. Bond "bedding" four women. Two of them were more for Queen & country but that's no excuse. They paired Roger with Tanya Roberts as the lead Bond girl when Fiona Fullerton would have been easily more credible in terms of age and acting. There were other problems, including the Paris chase sequence where any resemblance the stuntmen had to Roger was purely co-incidental. I also believe Roger was ill during part of the production. And not forgetting that he had some plastic surgery some time between OP & AVTAK. Well, at least his acting was not affected.

It all adds up to a bit of a mess. Shame, because AVTAK had some real potential. Good cinematography, good locations, good score, very good title song. Christopher Walken's great, Patrick Macnee's great, the sequence at the pumping station is very good and the Golden Gate Bridge finale is one of the best endings.

Yes, Roger looked old in AVTAK, but Eon/Wilson/Maibaum helped to make him look older.

MNL, you're forgetting one important part about AVTAK... the Jenny Factor!

Anyway, later I'll defend Roger as well, and it will be a very memorable post.

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Im looking forward to it!!

1. TWINE  2. FYEO  3. MR  4. TLD  5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS  7. DN  8. OP  9. AVTAK  10. TMWTGG  11. QoS 12. GE  13. CR  14. TB  15. FRWL  16. LTK  17. GF  18. SF  19. LaLD  20. YOLT  21. TND  22. DAD  23. DAF.

"If you'll forgive me, that's a little too scented for my palate."

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JennyFlexFan wrote:
Dan Same wrote:
mythrenegade wrote:

Moore did seven movies. Three of them are among the very best of the series: The Spy Who Loved Me, For Your Eyes Only, and Live and Let Die. I like Octopussy quite a bit, although this opinion isn't quite as popular.

The other three aren't great, but Moonraker isn't Moore's fault. Moonraker was quite good until they launched into space and started shooting lasers everywhere. The problems with AVTAK are Moore's age and Tanya Roberts. Watching that film I think Moore knew this was a "film too far" as well. TMWTGG, well, that film has issues but I don't think they are Moore's fault either.

I quite like Roger Moore as James Bond.

Joel

Your opinion is identical to mine. ajb007/biggrin I also consider LALD, TSWLM and FYEO to be among the best in the series. I am also a big fan of OP and I agree with you that TMWTGG and MR are not Moore's fault; except for AVTAK in which he was too old. Are you my clone? ajb007/amazed ajb007/lol

If so, he better hate LTK! ajb007/wink

LOL!

19 out of 20 gentlemen, and I keep considering making it 20 out of 20... Although Moonraker is #20 for me due to the absurdity of the space sequences, I really like the first 2/3 of the movie. I cannot say the same about LTK. I watch it whenever I decide to watch the entire series in order. I never reach for it on its own.

Joel

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Roger Moore is the best and will be the best Bond ever!all actors age i did not think too much about is age but more to do with is excellent acting and charm

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I think it's great that Mr. Moore has so many loyal and appreciative fans. I also laud his many efforts on the behalf of UNICEF and other charities. And because I have no desire to say anything negative about him, I will say no more.
For today at least.

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This thread inspired me to watch all of the Roger Moore James Bond films in order. The results of the individual viewings are scattered about this forum, but I think I can unequivocally say that in my opinion, Roger Moore was an excellent James Bond. The only film that I felt his performance was poor in was A View to a Kill, and part of that was his age.

Roger, to me, set the standard for Bond's smoothness & class. Although many think humor when they think of Roger, I think that he was the complete package as James Bond.

I would not dread watching any of Moore's films, even Moonraker which I put dead last on my list. Four of his seven films make it in my personal top ten. Roger Moore will always be 007 in my book.

Joel

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mythrenegade wrote:

This thread inspired me to watch all of the Roger Moore James Bond films in order. The results of the individual viewings are scattered about this forum, but I think I can unequivocally say that in my opinion, Roger Moore was an excellent James Bond. The only film that I felt his performance was poor in was A View to a Kill, and part of that was his age.

Roger, to me, set the standard for Bond's smoothness & class. Although many think humor when they think of Roger, I think that he was the complete package as James Bond.

I would not dread watching any of Moore's films, even Moonraker which I put dead last on my list. Four of his seven films make it in my personal top ten. Roger Moore will always be 007 in my book.

Joel

Joel, you are an absolute star! ajb007/cheers I too am a huge Moore fan (although he's my third favourite Bond) and I always appreciate it whenever peopls say nice things about him. It seems to me that it has become rather fashionable to take part in 'Moore bashing.' ajb007/crap Anyway I completely agree with you. He was an excellent Bond and he was indeed the complete package.

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"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman

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He's actually my 2nd fave Bond. I love 4 of his films (LALD, TSWLM, FYEO, OP), I like one (AVTAK) but have little time for his other two. But, nevertheless, I take the rough with the smooth. And I always find him entertaining- I'm a big Saint and Persuaders fan too.

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I was watching a few of his films this week, (LALD, FYEO, OP) and I fully realized why Moore Bond films come along with the humor stereotype. However, at he same time I took into account the fact that at many times Moore just as deadly (the killing of the man in Cairo (TSPWLM)) just as suave (watch any scene with him in a casino) and just as serious (FYEO) as any of the other Bonds.

I absolutely love the scene in which Bond meets Columbo for the first time. The dialoge is witty and fresh. We get to see how Bond doesn't fully trust anyone, and the lines about him toasting to it tomorrow and informing Columbo he too is gutsy while aiming the gun at him are incredibly well done. The humor here, if any, is dry and IMO very literary Bond. And Moore pulled it all off just as good as even the most serious Bond. (I don't want to name anyone because thta would open an entireky different can of worms.)

Moore's assasination of Sandor (TSWLM) is a high point in not only the Moore films but in the series. Despite the fact that with TSWLM they were taking Bond in a more family oriented funny direction, they still made it clear what Bond's double prefix stood for. He killed him coldly, and fairly uncaringly.

No, I truly don't think Moore was a rubbish Bond, and if anything he was the epitome of Bond's character in the 70's and 80's if not of all time. Minus of course a few of the more ridiculus laughs (which I blame more on the writers and directors than i do Moore) IMO I belive I rank him around third.

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"Guns make me nervous!"

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Steed wrote:

And I always find him entertaining- I'm a big Saint and Persuaders fan too.

LALD was the first Bond film I ever saw, when I was nine years old, at the local cinema.  My brother and I were excited to see Moore because we loved "The Saint" TV series.  I doubt that we even knew who James Bond was at the time.  Once we started getting caught up on the earlier Bond films and the additional Moore entries as they came out I gradually went from preferring Moore to preferring Connery.  But Moore has more strengths than weaknesses as 007 and, as has been noted above, the fault has often been the script rather than the actor.

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Yes, you look at him in 'The Saint' and to me he's no more jokey in that than Sean was as Bond. I've always considered Simon Templar to be the role Moore was born to play and the role he was probably best in, but had the humour been kept at bay (AND, a lot of the time the REALLY bad humour isn't Roger's either- it's the sight/sound gags like the 'double take pigeon', the stupid sound effect of the car stunt in TMWTTGG, the Tarzan yell) he would have been even better as Bond.

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Steed wrote:

Yes, you look at him in 'The Saint' and to me he's no more jokey in that than Sean was as Bond. I've always considered Simon Templar to be the role Moore was born to play and the role he was probably best in, but had the humour been kept at bay (AND, a lot of the time the REALLY bad humour isn't Roger's either- it's the sight/sound gags like the 'double take pigeon', the stupid sound effect of the car stunt in TMWTTGG, the Tarzan yell) he would have been even better as Bond.

That's right: not only the scripts but sound effects and editing could really undermine parts of Moore's Bond films.

I should mention (given your user name) that my brother and I used to play secret agent in the back yard.  He would pretend to be Simon Templar and I would be John Steed!

No wonder Diana Rigg was such a welcome sight to me when I first saw OHMSS as a boy.

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Diana Rigg is always a welcome sight to my eyes!!:D

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Im not sure if I agree with him, but my dad always thought of Roger Moore as "the puny Bond", and my dad said Moore couldn't fight his way out of a wet paperbag.:D  I disagree, but Moore is still my least favorite Bond(not saying I don't like Moore, I just don't care for him as Bond too much). However, saying that, LALD is my third favorite Bond film overall, so....:D

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I'm glad Moore was Bond because he added a different flavor all together.  I don't think any of his Bond movies were great, but when you go back and watch 'em all he takes Bond to a whole other world that's just as fun.

  He fits the movies they made very well.

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Fish1941 wrote:

While watching FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE with my sister, she pointed out the numerous times Bond made a quip.  And many of them were either lame or simply bad.

You mean you didn't like such lines as "She had her kicks"? ajb007/wink

"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman

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My first Bond movie that  ever watched was Goldfinger with Sean Connery and it totally blew me away. After that, I was a James Bond fan. My second movie was Octopussy and then I watched a number of Roger moore like live and let die etc and now he is my favourite Bond. Although he may not have the Sean Connery charm, he still seems to captivate me with his humour and simply by the way he plays Bond.

P.S. I just joined the forum so I would just like to say hello!

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Moore was not the best bond but some of his movies are great, and when you do seven movies his mark on the series is un mistakable:))

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I'll preface this by saying that I don't dislike any of the Bonds, they all brought something different to the role. But the Moore era of 007 differs from the rest of the series because of the direction the producers (and Moore) wanted to take the character, resulting in some pretty silly stuff. Like with any Bond, I enjoy the films for what they are, which is a (mostly) lighter, campier Bond.

My biggest complaint of Moore (aside from "nicing up" the role) isn't his age, as much as it is the physicality of the role. Watching Moore in a foot chase is reminicent of Shatner as TJ Hooker.

I've always been of the opinion that Roger Moore is to James Bond what Adam West was to Batman... and let it be known that I also love West's portrayal of Batman for what it is: fun.

So Roger Moore, while not my favorite Bond, still gets love from me, because his were the first 007s I had seen as a child, and that is where I learned to love 007.

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I do not like Moore, but I can't say he was rubbish. He was a good Bond for his time. But his comedic interpretation has not aged very well.

1. Tld, 2. Ltk, 3. Cr, 4. Qs, 5. Frwl, 6. Twine, 7. Tnd, 8. Tswlm, 9. Ohmss, 10. Tb, 11. Ge, 12. Gf, 13. Dn, 14. Mr, 15. Op, 16. Yolt, 17. Sf, 18. Daf, 19. Fyeo, 20. Sp, 21. Avtak, 22. Dad, 23. Lald, 24. Tmwtgg

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There are only some of Roger's films I find campy- two of them were directed by Guy Hamilton, LALD and TMWTTGG, the other being Moonraker. But I personally think the all time campiest Bond film did not star Roger- it was Sean's Diamonds Are Forever. Now, I think it's great fun, but it's pretty much one big joke all the way through. The Connery 'halo effect' often means people ignore such things, imo, and take potshots at Roger for things that appeared earlier in the Connery era anyway.

Roger is my 2nd fave Bond (after Connery, who definitely does define the part in his early films, imho, in spite of some reservations over one or two films)- I generally love his delivery of the jokes (most of the jokes I dislike in his films aren't from him, they are the sight gags), and he was capable of being tough as well as witty- he manages both wonderfully in FYEO and Octopussy, imho.

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DAF has been acknowledged as the movie that started the downward spiral.  The only reasons I can watch it is because it's a Connery Bond and because I have such great memories of being in Europe when I saw it.  I was even in Amsterdam when I saw, even got to see the Skinny Bridge that is mentioned in the movie. The Moore movies were garbage, but DAF was the initial offender.  It's hard to believe that the producers could let the series get away from them as badly as they did.

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To me the Bond actors fall into one of two categories:  those I find convincing in the role and those I don't.  Roger Moore knew that he couldn't embody the character like Connery could, so he tried to make us laugh instead.  I still enjoy some of his movies (MR is my favorite, followed by TSWLM) but a lot of them I can't sit through because the jokes have mostly worn thin and Moore lacked the magnetism that attracts generation after generation to Connery's Bond movies.

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RJJB wrote:

DAF has been acknowledged as the movie that started the downward spiral.  The only reasons I can watch it is because it's a Connery Bond and because I have such great memories of being in Europe when I saw it.  I was even in Amsterdam when I saw, even got to see the Skinny Bridge that is mentioned in the movie. The Moore movies were garbage, but DAF was the initial offender.  It's hard to believe that the producers could let the series get away from them as badly as they did.

RJJB, we will never agree, which is fine, and obviously you don't have to respond if you don't want to, but I don't agree at all. Although DAF isn't a particularly great film, I think it has some great things going for it (Connery's performance, Wint + Kidd, the elevator fight, the final scene, Bambi + Thumper, among others.) I also would never describe any of the Moore films (aside from AVTAK) as garbage. When I think of Bondian garbage, I do think of AVTAK, but I also think of TLD and LTK. If with DAF, the producers 'let the series get away from them as badly as they did,' and if that led to LALD, TSWLM, FYEO and OP (and even MR), then I am happy that they did. ajb007/biggrin

Last edited by Dan Same (23rd Mar 2007 07:08)

"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman

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I think it would be unfair to say moore was a crap Bond, he was the Bond that i grew up with , and i enjoyed his portrayal.
His Bond was right for the times, although his films seem a bit silly now, (compared to later Bonds) they are still good enetertainment.