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I very much agree with those who believe that Moore could  extremely ruthless and could be a real b****d at times. Obviously, people have mentioned the examples in LALD, but there is also the bitch-slap in TMWTGG, and the killing of Sandor in TSWLM, which actually shocks me more than the killing of Dent. Anytime that people brings up cold-blooded murder in the context of Bond, I always think of that scene.

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Let me also say I have no problem with Moore's age by AVTAK.  Assuming Bond survived to be 57 I doubt he would be helming a desk at that point.  He would wait until he was absolutely feeble before retiring.  In my mind Moore never got to that point.  And too much is made of youthfulness these days.  There is something to be said for experience.  Bond would be extremely honed by this time, possibly at the peak of his abilities really.  I personally think a dangerous man in his mid fifties is tougher than a dangerous man in his mid twenties.  Having survived that long in a dangerous business, he would be a forced to be reckoned with.

In fact, back when I was around seventeen I saw a fight between a 19 year old male and a man who was nearly sixty.  The older man demolished the younger.  Simply put he had more scrapping experience.

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I think Moore was just swell in AVTAK.

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What I find odd with AVTAK is that Roger looked younger to me in a documentary that was done some 2 years later (!) to celebrate the Bond films and Timothy Dalton's casting- it's on The Living Daylights extra disc. Perhaps it's just me though...:)) And Roger's performance was fine in AVTAK throughout.

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He wasn't a rubbish James Bond, he was just a very smug James Bond. ajb007/lol

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Rubbish?? RUBBISH?? You Sir should be tied down to a table and get to taste the lazer of Goldfinger for even thinking something of the sort! ajb007/takecover

Moore is an absolutely wonderful Bond! He is tough, he is cool, he is funny, he is handsome, he is smooth, he is DEADLY! Everything you could be looking for in Bond. He is, IMO, a close second to Sean Connery, and he always will be. Roger Moore rules suckas!! ajb007/cheers

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AxelFoley wrote:

Rubbish?? RUBBISH?? You Sir should be tied down to a table and get to taste the lazer of Goldfinger for even thinking something of the sort! ajb007/takecover

Moore is an absolutely wonderful Bond! He is tough, he is cool, he is funny, he is handsome, he is smooth, he is DEADLY! Everything you could be looking for in Bond. He is, IMO, a close second to Sean Connery, and he always will be. Roger Moore rules suckas!! ajb007/cheers

Welcome to AJB, Axel. ajb007/smile

You were going so well until you mentioned that Roger Moore was a close second to Sean Connery. ajb007/biggrin

I am not a fan of Connery's performances in YOLT & NSNA. I tend to believe he adjusted his performance in DAF to suit the lighter tone of the film and he's pretty good overall, though he could have lost some weight. As for DN, FRWL, GF & TB. Connery looks the part, acts the part, and is pretty much outstanding. Overall, he is my favourite Bond after Roger.

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Moore Not Less wrote:
AxelFoley wrote:

Rubbish?? RUBBISH?? You Sir should be tied down to a table and get to taste the lazer of Goldfinger for even thinking something of the sort! ajb007/takecover

Moore is an absolutely wonderful Bond! He is tough, he is cool, he is funny, he is handsome, he is smooth, he is DEADLY! Everything you could be looking for in Bond. He is, IMO, a close second to Sean Connery, and he always will be. Roger Moore rules suckas!! ajb007/cheers

Welcome to AJB, Axel. ajb007/smile

You were going so well until you mentioned that Roger Moore was a close second to Sean Connery. ajb007/biggrin

Welcome aboard Axel, I can only assume that we will get along slendidly. ajb007/smile

However, I'll have to agree will my friend MNL. Connery is #2. ajb007/biggrin

I think we have another player for our team MNL! ajb007/cheers

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Tee Hee wrote:

However, I'll have to agree will my friend MNL. Connery is #2. ajb007/biggrin

I think we have another player for our team MNL! ajb007/cheers

Indeed, Sean Connery is #2. It was very nice of him to occupy the seat and keep it warm while Roger was busy with The Saint and The Persuaders. ajb007/biggrin

As for our team. The Moore the merrier, I say. It has to be said, our team is looking rather short of players at the moment.

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Thanks a lot for the welcoming guys ajb007/cheers

You can always count on me, fighting with you side by side for the honor of Sir Roger ajb007/takecover

But when it comes to Sir Sean, he will always be bumber 1 for me, but Roger is not far behind, mind you ajb007/smile It's almost like Sophie's Choice ajb007/lol

Also, I am a HUGE fan of The Saint, also The Persuaders. So I'm a pretty big Moore fan ajb007/cool

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Moore always struck me as an actor who could act well when he put some effort into it, but most of the time he walked through his roles. His oo7 seems alot like his role in "The Saint" and "The Persuaders". I think Moore always yearned to be a comic, he's better when serious.

I'll put in my 2 cents on Connery. He introduced Bond, but I think he was born to be a film star even if oo7 had not come his way. He has a screen presence that put him in the class of Clark Gable and John Wayne, he was made for the screen.

I think the only true "actors" who have played Bond were Dalton and Craig.

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I think the Bond we know and love now certainly had his DNA altered during the Roger tenure. Connery copied him in NSNA and it is arguable the Bond of the Gardner and Benson novels is based on the filmBond that Roger helped shape.

The best analysis of Roger's Bond I have ever read is at page 143 - 147 of Roger Moore A Biography by Roy Moseley with superb Bond scholars Philip & Martin Masheter (the twins who used to run 58 Dean St Records which begat the now, alas, defunct Rare Discs in London). In it, they suggest that the Saint was actually a much more ruthless character than Bond and that Roger's interpretation of Bond was actually a reaction to his work on the Saint. I cannot paraphrase it and do it justice. Suffice to say, that Roger made active acting choices to differentiate characters subtly (a suggestion Sir Roger would probably refute).

The success of Bond is rarely down to just the actor. The hugely collaborative art of film-making means that the merit of the actor's work on screen is based on screenplay, direction, photography, the other actors, music and editing - the whole gamut of creative input. However, off screen, the person stands alone and in this respect Roger was treasure to Bond and the series. Such good grace, such skilled parrying, such utter professionalism. There has been no better ambassador for the series - a role he continues to this day, 3 Bonds on from him.

I don't believe that one's favourite Bond is the first that one sees. Roger is not mine yet it was because of his films that I became a Bond fan. I was on holiday in Carnarveon, North Wales in August 1977. A trip to the cinema (it was a rainy day) resulted in me seeing The Spy Who Loved Me. From the ski-chase to the Lotus to the Liparus to the Pyramids, I was hooked. From women with smoke-jet cigarettes to the underwater emergence of Atlantis, I was enthralled. Jaws' first appearance, cloaked in shadow, was genuinely terrifying. And, to cap it all, Roger Moore as James Bond finally gave me a hero I could respond to; cool, daring, adventurous, funny, assured, sophisticated and, uniquely, British.

The actor (for he is a vastly underestimated classically trained professional) has taken an awful lot of flak over the years but there are certain moments in Bond when no-one comes close to Roger Moore. My favourite performance from him is actually in a lot of people's least liked Bond films: MWGG.

There are certain moments where, IMHO, he is better than anyone in the part:

1) After the much vaunted slapping of Andrea (Moore flinches!), 007 tells her that he would inform Scaramanga of this meeting if she double-crosses him. The line about the bullets being very expensive is funny and cruel and the scene is played with a genteel sadism which Moore excels at.

2) This quality is prevalent throughout Bond’s toying of Lazar ("or forever hold your piece!" - again funny, yet cruel)

3) Bond’s luncheon with Scaramanga at the end. This last scene is particularly well-written and acted evoking genuine dramatic tension. In all these scenes, Moore is cold and professional and conveys the capability of his licence to kill.

4) Throwing the canal-urchin off his boat is a consistent choice in performance - something that might not happen in these days of “protecting the star.”

5) Releasing the Solex at the end is also gripping, again through Moore's performance - he's actually acting; desparate and concerned.

Roger's then wife Luisa Mattioli said very astutely around the time he was leaving the role that he would only be appreciated after he had left. That is so true.

But, from what I've read and know and have heard, Sir Roger is not really interested in being known as a good Bond or a good actor or a good comedian. It has been suggested that what he really cares about is being a good human being. And that he most certainly appears to be.

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Roger Moore is, was, and will be always be the worst James Bond. Granted, he may have been more suave and made more films, but let's face it, most of them were terrible.

In one of the DVD featurettes, he b*tched about roughing up Maud Adam's character (I forgot which one) for information saying "My Bond wouldn't do that." so obviously, he didn't give a damn about what the character was supposed to be about.

That's why I like For Your Eyes Only so much. Remember the scene where he ruthlessly kills the goon by kicking his car over the cliff? THAT WAS BOND! He finally got back that edge he was so badly missing from his character and I was hoping it would stay this way, but once we got Octop*ssy, it was just Moore crap. Did I mention at the end of the film, he dressed up as a clown? If anything, that fit him perfectly because he went back to being a joke.

Overall, he was nothing more than the Adam West of the 007 franchise. It was like watching a parody of James Bond instead of actually being James Bond. So out of the actors, Moore was the best at being a funny wimp. James Bond 007? No way.

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No way was Roger Moore "rubbish".  Personally, I say none of the Bonds were rubbish.  All had their high points and low points.  For Roger, he ruled over a period of great financial success for the films.  If his 70s & 80s films flopped we may not have 007 today.  Although some of the films were a bit campy, remember Roger could only work with waht he was given.  Look at FYEO, I think his best outing.  Give him a great story, take away camp and gadgets and you have a pretty strong Bond entry ( I could argue top 5, no doubt top 10)

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Moore was a great Bond. He had charm, wit and sophistication and was always enjoyable to watch. He did have his weaknesses however, namely that he lacked the phyicality and was sometimes a little too flippant in his approach. That's why I rank him as 3rd behind Brosnan and Connery.

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NO, HE was a Great Bond ajb007/martini

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Watching LALD recently, I struggled with Moore as he seems quite painful and smug, as bad as Lazenby at times, though both were at their worst early on in the movie. Its the delivery of the lines; it struggles with the posh Brit fellow stuff, at least Connery made it sound like a bit of a Scotsman's send-up but Moore tries to make that side of it a joke in the Ian Carmichael sense.

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To be honest, Moore's not a great actor. Outside of Bond The Wild Geese and Seawolves are about his best efforts. I think he was a good Bond though - his portrayal belonged to the seventies and became great family entertainment.

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I think alot of people are now judging the 70's Movies from the perspective of 2011. This was the era of Smokey and the Bandit, etc. Can you imagine what a 70's audiance would of made of todays shaky camera work and break neck editing ( I'm talking about films in general not just Bond). Some people hate Moore, some people Hate Craig, Sadly Mel Gibson Hates everybody ajb007/lol

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Thunderpussy wrote:

I think alot of people are now judging the 70's Movies from the perspective of 2011. This was the era of Smokey and the Bandit, etc. Can you imagine what a 70's audiance would of made of todays shaky camera work and break neck editing ( I'm talking about films in general not just Bond). Some people hate Moore, some people Hate Craig, Sadly Mel Gibson Hates everybody ajb007/lol

Very well said TP. The 1970s were very different to 2011.

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I loved Roger Moore's Bond, whether he was making a campy performance or otherwise. I do strongly believe that FYEO was not only his strongest performance, but also my favorite Bond film in the series. He also did a magnificent job on TSWLM, and people may argue here, but I have a soft spot for his AVTAK performance. Old yes, but he was more serious there as well. His worst performance, would have to be The Man With The Golden Gun. It was all over the place, from too serious to too campy. Moore was lucky, he got some of the best films of the series in Spy, MR, FYEO and AVTAK in my opinion. OP is also very impressive. Dalton on the other hand got the rough stick, a superb film in TLD, but the awful LTK. What a shame.

To sum up Moore's Bond, I like him serious and campy, and on TSWLM, we got both. FYEO was back to Ian Fleming's portrayal with a serious and harder edge, and Moore did an amazing job in that field, which is why FYEO is his best running, in my opinion. TLD would be the next time the producers would attempt a 'harder edge' Bond, with Timothy Dalton. Dalton does the best job of all six actors following the harder edge, but FYEO was still the superior film due to the plot, and other things.

1. FYEO 2. OHMSS 3. TLD 4. FRWL 5. LTK 6. TSWLM 7. CR 8. OP  9. GF 10. DN 11. MR 12. SP 13. LALD 14. QOS 15. TB 16. SF 17. TMWTGG 18. GE 19. YOLT 20. AVTAK 21. TND 22. TWINE 23. DAF 24. DAD

1. Dalton 2. Connery 3. Moore 4. Craig 5. Lazenby  6. Brosnan

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I too have a soft spot for Moore in AVTAK and the film in general. I'm not sure why it is but I'm inclined to put Moore above Dalton in my ranking (Moore#3, Dalton#4), despite the latter easily being closer to the original character. I can't really explain it. In my view Dalton is the more faithful while Moore is the more entertaining.

I suppose they do occasionally switch around.

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Moore was all wrong for Bond from the very beginning.  And it showed in every one of his films. He just did not project the danger and menance that is essential to an effective portrayal of 007.  And I know I have said this many times before, but it bears repeating - Roger Moore was just awful at the physical stuff.  To me, these shortcomings made him the least well-rounded Bond of all, and that is why he lands at the bottom of my list.  I will admit to a certain bias toward Connery, who I feel is the only Bond actor to capture ALL of the traits I have come to love in the cinematic incarnation of Bond - charming, suave, ruthless, witty, resourceful and tough.  Truly a hard act to follow, so I can't really blame it all on poor Roger.  But in my opinion, all of the other actors who have portrayed Bond - Craig, Brosnan, Dalton, and yes, even Lazenby, were more successful in combining the most crucial elements of the James Bond character.  No offense to those of you who enjoy Roger Moore's version of Bond,  but for me his portrayal was the low point of the Bond film series.

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He wasn't bad. It took him a while for him to ease into the role (which is one of the reasons why I dislike LALD and TMWTGG), but he was a lot of fun nonetheless, and when he attempted to be more serious in FYEO he succeeded beautifully. That said, he shouldn't have stuck around for OP and AVTAK. Those ones made him look terrible, and the sex scenes were borderline pedophilia.

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To me, the only rubbish Moore Bond film was The Man With The Golden Gun. Over campy, no plot, ridiculous and no value whatsoever.
I liked Live And Let Die, loved Spy, FYEO and AVTAK. Enjoyed MR and OP.

Anyone who thinks Roger Moore is a rubbish Bond are those people stuck in the 60's with Connery's overrated Bond films. I mean they're great, Connery's first three but Moore's were also superb, OHMSS and TLD included.

1. FYEO 2. OHMSS 3. TLD 4. FRWL 5. LTK 6. TSWLM 7. CR 8. OP  9. GF 10. DN 11. MR 12. SP 13. LALD 14. QOS 15. TB 16. SF 17. TMWTGG 18. GE 19. YOLT 20. AVTAK 21. TND 22. TWINE 23. DAF 24. DAD

1. Dalton 2. Connery 3. Moore 4. Craig 5. Lazenby  6. Brosnan