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Quoting FROSTY:

Quoting FROSTY:
Quoting Lady Rose:
Does anybody know what the things were called that were giant maggots?? I hated those.Think they were fron the Jon Pertwee era.One of my scary childhood memories!!!!

I seem to remember that they were called: "THE GIANT MAGGOTS", LOL!! ajb007/lol - it does what it says on the tin!. ajb007/lol


LOL ajb007/lol  .... The Giant Maggots it is then.....

As for Dirk....if we were doing 'Hereos of the 80's' he would be near the top.....

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The Daleks shall go to the ball after all!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainmen … 535588.stm

Daleks back to fight Doctor Who

Doctor Who's arch enemies the Daleks are coming back to the series after a lengthy dispute between the BBC and the creator's estate was finally settled.

The estate of sci-fi writer Terry Nation had originally blocked their return to the classic BBC One show.

But the BBC said an agreement had been reached ensuring that the Daleks - voted the most evil Doctor Who villains of all time - would be back.

Doctor Who returns to TV in 2005 with Christopher Eccleston in the lead role.

"I am absolutely delighted that the Terry Nation estate and the BBC have been able to reach agreement on terms for the use of the Daleks in the new Doctor Who series," said Tim Hancock, agent for the Terry Nation estate.

"We look forward to working closely with the production team in the forthcoming months."

Mr Nation was a prolific TV and film writer before his death in 1997, creating Blake's 7 and Survivors and writing for The Avengers and Hancock.

There have been protracted negotiations between the BBC and the estate since it was announced Doctor Who was coming back 14 years after it was axed.

These talks eventually broke down, with the BBC saying that no agreement could be reached over editorial control and that producers had already created another villain.

Terry Nation's estate accused the BBC of trying to "ruin the brand of the Daleks" by trying to wrestle control of the image.

But fans are thrilled the two sides have settled their differences.

"We are absolutely delighted that the daleks will be back," said Antony Wainer, spokesman for the Doctor Who Appreciation Society (DWAS).

"Doctor Who without daleks would be like Morecambe without Wise or Wimbledon without strawberries."

Although the society is enthusiastic about the daleks, it is also looking forward to the series moving on.

"As much as we like the Cybermen and other characters, we want them to create new baddies and new stories.

"As long as the premise is the same, with Doctor Who as a Time Lord who can regenerate, it can change. Beyond that central character it has been completely different over the years," added Mr Wainer.

The series, written by Russell T Davies, will see former pop star Billie Piper take the role of the doctor's sidekick Rose Tyler.

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Chris Eccleston is a good actor and an interesting choice for the Doctor. It will be strange to see the new Doctor without his trademark, Edwardian style, long coat - it's all leather jackets and jeans now ! ajb007/frown

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Sir Miles, did I miss something?  I didn't see anything in Moonie's post that said Eccleston wouldn't be wearing late-Victorian/Edwardian togs.  Anyway, great news!  Huzzah, huzzah!  I just hope that the show leaves Davros out this time: great villainous character, but he adds too much of a human element to the Daleks.

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Quoting Hardyboy:
Sir Miles, did I miss something?  I didn't see anything in Moonie's post that said Eccleston wouldn't be wearing late-Victorian/Edwardian togs.  Anyway, great news!  Huzzah, huzzah!  I just hope that the show leaves Davros out this time: great villainous character, but he adds too much of a human element to the Daleks.

Moonie's post didn't mention anything about the new Doctors apparel - but one daily rag here has already printed a few pictures. It showed a scene from the new series and it was reported, and showed, the new Doctor wearing a leather jacket and jeans - the blurb said that Chris was uncomfortable wearing the traditional "togs" and wanted to update the style - have we heard that before ?
The Tardis remains the same though *phew* ! ajb007/smile

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A 77 year old playing a dalek??

Dalek veteran makes comeback bid

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainmen … 551326.stm

Veteran Dalek actor John Scott Martin has offered to step into the costume again for the 2005 Doctor Who series.

The 77-year-old, who played the Doctor's arch villains from 1964 to 1980, said he would be happy to reprise the role if asked.

"I really enjoyed doing it before," he told BBC News Online. "I would happily run around as a Dalek again."

The Daleks will return to the BBC One series after negotiations with the estate of sci-fi writer Terry Nation.

Scott Martin, who has also appeared in I Claudius, Little Shop of Horrors and Ali G Indahouse, was one of four longstanding actors to play Daleks.

The role required them to squeeze into a wooden or metal costume, then scuttle around to simulate the Dalek gliding on three caster wheels.

Actors spoke the Daleks' lines in rehearsal, but their famous robotic voices were usually dubbed onto the scene after filming was complete.

"The device that changed my voice was obviously at the front of the costume, so if a scene required another actor to stand close to the Dalek, their voice would also sound robotic," said Scott Martin.

The heat of the costume meant that inside the Dalek's terrifying shell you would find the actor dressed in only a T-shirt and swimming trunks.

"It could be difficult at times and I'm not as fit as I used to be, but I'm sure I could do it again," Scott Martin said.

A BBC spokeswoman said Doctor Who producers had yet to decide whether Daleks would be fully automated or operated by actors in the forthcoming series.

"As we have just secured the rights to use the Daleks we have not begun work on the episodes in which they will appear," she said.

Nevertheless Scott Martin said: "I always thought playing a Dalek was as interesting as playing a cow in a pantomime - there was potential to put some personality into it.

"We had to believe that the Dalek was not a human being, yet it was still a being. That's not to say it wasn't really nasty."

And despite enjoying playing Daleks alongside Doctor Who actors from William Hartnell to Sylvester McCoy, Scott Martin refuses to name a favourite.

Instead, he adopts a Dalek voice and says: "There is no favourite. The Doctor must be exterminated."

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Though I would never have described myself as a big Doctor Who fan; I watched it regularly growing up in the 80s and then lost track of it toward the end of that decade, this simple image from the set of the new series in Cardiff gives me goosebumps:

[img=http://www.gallifreyone.com/whophotos/cuttings12.jpg]

And for those of you on the other side of the Atlantic who may not have seen the new Doctor and his assistant Rose in filming stills:

[img=http://www.gallifreyone.com/whophotos/eccandid2.jpg]

And it looks like the Doctor might be making the "headlines" on Earth for the wrong reasons...

[img=http://www.gallifreyone.com/whophotos/dwas31.jpg]

And if you want to see what will be terrorising London in Spring 2005, click on the link below (Spoiler)

http://www.gallifreyone.com/whophotos/photo0721c.jpg

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I'm more interested in the asssistant than in the doctor. ajb007/wink

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It grows more intriguing ... I'm not too sure of the format (45 minute episodes and a couple of 2-parters), but from some of the photos, it's going to be pretty dark, which for me is an essential!

I still think Billie Piper a rather odd choice as an assistant, but I'm willing to reserve judgement until next year ...

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For anyone that's interested, this piece was in the Culture Magazine of the Sunday Times today.  Easter Saturday, 26th March on BBC One is when the first episode will air.

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/ … 00,00.html

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Our space opera

For 25 years, Doctor Who’s creaky charm captivated a nation. Now Russell T Davies has polished it up, with slick effects and an even slicker script. But will we — and the anoraks — love it just the same, asks Bryan Appleyard.

“Oh, you know, ‘The people of Planet Zog are being fought by the Zognauts...’ I don’t give a toss. I go through Radio Times, reading the billings of these shows — ‘The crystals of Narthok are in danger from the blah blah blah’ — and I don’t care. The audience is so much more intelligent than that. I won’t have dumbing-down for a second.”

Travelling down to some studios in Wales, I had been vaguely wondering why the BBC had suddenly decided to remake Doctor Who. I learn the answer as soon as I walk into Unit Q2, Imperial Park, Newport. It is standing in front of me, babbling fluently and, I slowly realise, brilliantly. It is Russell T Davies, chief writer and executive producer, and previously writer of Queer as Folk and some of the best children’s television shows. Without this camp, chortling, verbal torrent, this encyclopedia of schlock TV, this genially conceited motor mouth, there would have been no point in trying to resurrect our own space opera. Nobody else could conceivably have got it right.

“I mean, I’ve watched the Harry Potters several times. I don’t say you’ve got to match them. You disappear up your own arse if you try to chase cinema on television, but you’ve got to nod towards it. You’ve got to have professionals. These scripts are better than Harry Potter scripts — good characters, good stories, good jokes, good scares.” They show me some clips of the new show, with Christopher Eccleston as the Doctor and Billie Piper as his “young assistant”. I remember when that phrase first acquired inverted commas. I was about 13 at the time.

“I never ask what he was doing with his young companion,” says Davies, with mock huffiness. “It’s the sort of thing journalists think about.”

The clips make it clear.

Davies may babble, but he also delivers. The scripts are, indeed, much better than Harry Potter. They are slick, witty and, most important of all, fresh. They also have Davies the Mouth’s fingerprints all over them. The Doctor’s slightly deranged monologue sounds suspiciously like Russell T himself.

“So, you identify with the Doctor?” I ask him between clips. “More with Billie,” giggles Julie Gardner, producer, head of drama for BBC Wales and part-time Wise to Davies’s Morecambe. He affects a juicy pout. “Oh, yeees.”

Okay, enough of this. Doctor Who began on November 23, 1963, and ended in 1989. There was a one-off TV movie in 1996. The series was silly, naff, consoling and, especially in its choice of actors to play the Doctor, brilliant. From William Hartnell and Patrick Troughton through to Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker, the doctors were batty, obsessed, dandyish and polychromatically scarved. Above all, they were British types. Compare these characters to those in the first series of Star Trek, which began in 1966. With the possible exception of “Bones” McCoy, Kirk and his crew were sensible, post-Kennedy, liberal American heroes, sane and reliable. The Doctors, in contrast, formed a portfolio of bonkers Brits. Eccleston might, in this context, be a problem. Bill Nighy had been floated, the obvious choice — if anything, he would have been the battiest of the lot. But Eccleston is just a wiry lad in a leather jacket that Davies describes as “strangely timeless”. He’s good, but is he lasting? Will Dead Ringers be impersonating him years hence, as they do Baker? Never mind: the Britishness of the enterprise is intact. “This is very, very British,” says Motor Mouth. “We’ve got the Houses of Parliament and red buses. It’s all very emphasised. The first shot is the earth from outer space, and it zooms into Britain and London. We’ve had all those yellow school buses and prom days. We’ve had enough of that.”

Actually, he hasn’t had enough of it all. He is crazy about American teen sci-fi such as Buffy the Vampire Slayer. His favourite film of all time is Back to the Future. In fact, it is exactly this kind of enthusiasm that makes him so aware of the kind of competition the new Doctor Who is up against. For the truth is that, apart from the weird excursion of Blake’s 7, which ran from 1978 to 1981, the Doctor was the only real British attempt to do TV sci-fi. We handed over the genre to the Americans and they ran with it, producing gems such as The X Files or Buffy, as well as the various, often gemlike, Star Trek iterations. The problem then became competing, not just aesthetically but also financially. American television wealth meant those shows could produce special effects good enough to convince the Matrix generation that they were worth watching. This, too, has changed. The cost of special effects has dropped and, meanwhile, we have some of the best effects people in the world. As a result, this series is replete with light and magic, all made by The Mill, the Soho outfit that did, among other things, Gladiator.

That movie, however, had a mere 100 visual effects. This new Doctor Who series — 13 45-minute episodes — has about 800, and The Mill has been churning them out at the rate of 100 a month. “I don’t know,” says The Mill’s boss, Robin Shenfield, “but I’m pretty sure nothing of this scale has ever been attempted — certainly nothing British.” This means that the beloved clunkiness of the old series — cardboard sets, crummy aliens — is to be replaced by computer-slick graphics. This is, at the very least, a sentimental loss. Mike Tucker, the miniature-effects supervisor on the new series, also worked on the old one. He used to admire its frantic overreaching. “It was always pushing against the boundaries of its budget, trying to do stuff it couldn’t possibly achieve,” he says. “They would try to make the Loch Ness monster attack a village, or they’d have an attack with a horde of Daleks when they had only three Dalek props. It was one of its great charms. But then Star Wars came along and raised the game. These days, kids are so effects-literate.”

Computer graphics had to happen, of course, but, to their credit, everybody involved is aware of the potential loss of the show’s distinctive patina. Davies insisted, for example, that the interior of the Tardis should look like a terrible, lived-in British mess, as opposed to the gleaming flight deck of the Starship Enterprise. And outside, it’s still an old-fashioned police box that disappears and reappears with that weird donkey-braying sound. The Mill people have been fiddling with this effect, but in principle it’s intact — and as clunky as ever.

The big issue, of course, is the Daleks. They are back, and they look much the same, except that they now have a harsh bronze sheen and are plainly better built. They still have the sink-plunger weapon, which, on the originals, really was a sink plunger, and they still appear to be severely restricted in their evil work by their inability to climb stairs. Davies, typically, has turned both these attributes into roguish gags. The sink plunger kills somebody horribly — a sort of face-sucking operation, I gather — and when Piper runs up a staircase to escape a Dalek, she discovers, to her horror, that they can fly. Obvious, really.

Wholly new to the series is Cassandra. She is what an American waiter would call Davies’s “signature dish”.

Several billion years in the future, she is all that remains of the purely human species, and she has definitely overdone the dieting, having become no more than a stretched film of skin with a face. Voiced by Zoë Wanamaker, she’s like Patsy in Ab Fab: bitchy and randy. “But she turns out to be murderous, and has a fantastic death,” says Motor Mouth. One other “signature dish” is the takeover of the bodies of the British cabinet by aliens.

This produces unfortunate amounts of gas, so the entire cabinet farts continuously.

What is interesting about all this is not just the campery of Davies’s imagination, but the sensitivity that makes it all work. He understands that the old formula has to change. Piper, the young assistant, for example, can’t just run around screaming: she has to have a background, and he has given her a family and a boyfriend. “She’s got a life — the old companions didn’t have a life,” he says. Equally, Davies understands that there are fundamental structural and stylistic elements that cannot be changed. The Doctor must be a little crazed, the assistant provides a curious, contemporary perspective, and the Daleks and the police box are just too much part of the brand to be discarded. The trick is to get the right balance of innovation and core values. “It’s a good idea, and good ideas never die. I love it when Disney does The Little Mermaid, and everybody says, ‘How dare they change the ending?’ But the Disney ending is better than the original. It’s like Beauty and the Beast, a great story that’s there to be told again, and they automatically become new stories. It’s a bizarre idea that they should just gather dust. Robin Hood, Tarzan, Sherlock Holmes — Doctor Who has the stature of those.”

This suggests that the shelf life of the Doctor Who idea is more or less infinite. But it requires intelligent protection. Even the best American sci-fi shows, such as Buffy and The X Files, went into decline too quickly. They, as Davies puts it, “vanished up their own mythologies”. Basically, the shows got so involved with their own setup that they became far too self-referential. “You can disappear up your own arse with your own continuity,” he says. “Those shows needed a good clean-out every three years. They get darker; they get wrapped up in their own very good stories.”

It is at moments such as these that you see the acute and intelligent critic lurking beneath the campery. But is he intelligent enough? Doctor Who is a huge gamble for the BBC. It will probably go out in its old slot, early on Saturday evening. This pitches it into the most competitive and difficult ratings moment of the week. At the moment, drama barely gets a look-in against Ant and Dec and all the other babble. The trick for the Doctor is to fight this with a show that grabs the children as well as their parents — just, in fact, what the old one did. I hope it works. Doctor Who is British sci-fi, full of native wit, charm and a strange sort of familiarity, a sense of belonging somewhere. “The thing about Star Trek,” says old Motor Mouth, suddenly wistful, “is that you can’t join in. It will never happen. But you can imagine walking home from school, turning a corner and seeing the Tardis. You could just walk in and join the Doctor. It could happen.”

Doctor Who starts on BBC1 at the end of March.

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That's a good article, Russell T Davies makes all the right noises - and his words and sentiment remind me of Martin Campbell just before he started filming Goldeneye.

I'm looking forward to this series and what Ecclestone does with the character of the Doctor. I've heard the show is running way behind schedule though.

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As an old Whovian, I'm a little concerned about dark, brooding Eccleston and his modern dress, and I'm afraid that decent special effects means that a lot of the humor and charm of the original may go out the window.  But I love the pic showing what clearly are the Autons.  Here's hoping the show's heart is in the right place--and that it makes it to the U.S. sooner rather than later!

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Russell T hasn't yet produced a drama which hasn't been less than fascinating, and his dialogue is legendary.  His devotion to Who is equally legendary (remember Vince in Queer as Folk?) and I can't imagine anyone better.  On top of that, you've got great writers working on the show, and a superb actor in the form of Christopher Ecclestone.  My only question mark is over Billie Piper; can she handle proper acting?  But I am so looking forward to this.  As Trek's barely breathing body staggers to an end in the US, it's good to see the mantle of superior sci-fi being passed this side of the Atlantic.

Founder of the Wint & Kidd Appreciation Society.

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My dad's looking forward to it. He used to watch it when he was little and I'd like to see it myself. Sounds good.
Oh - ever here this one:
"Knock knock,"
"Who's there?"
"Dr,"
"Dr who?"
"That's right!"

My dad's told it far too often I think I'll scream if I hear it again!

Relax darling, I'm on top of the situation ajb007/martini

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Ouch!  Looks like those eagre outside the UK can at least find one episode if they look hard enough...not that I condone that kind of thing...

New Dr Who leaked onto internet

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainmen … 326005.stm

An episode of the new series of sci-fi drama Doctor Who has been leaked onto the internet.
A 45-minute episode, called Rose, has appeared three weeks before the series is expected to begin on BBC One.

Rose is the name of the character played by pop singer Billie Piper, who will be the assistant to the Doctor, played by Christopher Eccleston.

It is unclear how it came to be on the web and whether it is the final cut. The BBC was unavailable for comment.

The episode - which appears to be the series' first instalment - begins with the Doctor and Rose being chased by Autons, shop mannequins that have come to life.

The series is hotly anticipated by fans, who have remained avid followers since the last series ended in 1989.

It has since been resurrected for a one-off TV movie and as animated online adventures. In 2003, it was voted the show people would most like to see back on TV.

It also has been revealed that Eccleston, who appeared in Shallow Grave and Cracker, e-mailed writer and executive producer Russell T Davies to ask for the role.

"He e-mailed me and said if we were looking for a Doctor Who, he'd be interested," Mr Davies told Radio Times magazine.

"It was gobsmacking because you think he's going to be doing Hamlet all the time," he said. "Which, come to think of it, he was."

The first two episodes were written by the time Eccleston was cast, Mr Davies said.

"So I'd established a template for what I wanted, which fitted Chris perfectly. That was a happy accident - we both wanted to strip it down, make it more down-to-earth."

Julie Gardner, head of drama at BBC Wales, which has made the series, told the magazine: "We got to Chris fast.

"Russell and I had both worked with him before - he was one of the first people who was mentioned."

Eccleston will be the ninth Time Lord to take to the Tardis when the show returns.

Eccleston has also starred in TV dramas Our Friends in the North, Hearts and Minds and Linda Green as well as films such as The Others and Gone in Sixty Seconds.

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The micro-teaser trailers now showing on BBC are online, including an interview with Murray Gold who's revamped the Doctor Who theme music.

(Joint production partner CBC will air the first episode on April 5th in Canada)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/video/index.shtml

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Thanks for the link, M5! Already plan on saving it. Any chance you can tape the rest for me ? ajb007/wink

Doctor Who, rules .. (and acquiring the entire collection over here has dug deep in my pockets, but it was worth it)

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Quoting Alex:
Thanks for the link, M5! Already plan on saving it. Any chance you can tape the rest for me ? ajb007/wink

But no doubt the taping would be done in the PAL format, which when you play it in a VHS machine, looks like strands of Christmas tree tinsel!  If you think buying the entire series was expensive, just wait 'til you convert PAL to VHS!

And those were pretty cool trailers--I like the grungy look of the TARDIS interior, even if it doesn't match the painted cardboard of the 1960s! ajb007/lol

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First of all, I've not seen it... ajb007/rolleyes

I know it's a rough cut with yet-to-be-added digital effects, but - superb!!  Very contemporary and very British; Rose is a very modern London teenager (and any reservations about Billie's acting should be put to sleep), and Christopher Ecclestone is simply fantastic.  He's a bit off the wall, a little bit bonkers, speaks with a northern accent ("If you really are alien, then how come you sound like you're from the north?") and is definitely eccentric.  It's also rather dark and menacing at the right points, with a good dose of humour and light heartedness at the right points.  Round family entertainment, as was the original.

It could have been a little bit longer, I did feel it was rushed just a tad to fit into the 45 minute slot, but the scripts are slick and fast, the effects (though incomplete on this particular version) are bang up to date, and the old TARDIS, though a bit funkier on the inside, maintains it's old donkey braying sound effect.  Oh, and the theme and title sequence of the TARDIS flying through space (without Ecclestone's face), are well in keeping with the original.

It's Doctor Who, 21st Century style.

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Quoting Moonraker 5:
It could have been a little bit longer, I did feel it was rushed just a tad to fit into the 45 minute slot. . .

This may have been mentioned before and I just forgot about it, but is the show still in serial format, or are the 45-minute episodes all self-contained adventures?  I'm actually hoping for the latter, since I felt the Colin Baker serials suffered from poor pacing and slightly distorted storylines.

Quoting Moonraker 5:
Oh, and the theme and title sequence of the TARDIS flying through space (without Ecclestone's face), are well in keeping with the original.

What?  No face of the Doctor appearing out of a cluster of stars or from a cosmic lava-lamp?  That's just plain wrong!

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Quoting Hardyboy:
the 45-minute episodes all self-contained adventures?

They are all self-contained, yes.  Series 1 is 13 stand alone episodes.

Quoting Hardyboy:
What?  No face of the Doctor appearing out of a cluster of stars or from a cosmic lava-lamp?  That's just plain wrong!

Nope, opens with the blue swirling vortex and the TARDIS flies past on it's awkward path.  It then re-emerges and slows right down as it passes by, before disappearing down a red swirling vortex.  The actors' names then appear from round the vortex before "slamming" onto the screen and then flying past, before the new logo spins into the main picture.

The theme does open up with the "scream" though, and there's a heavier orchestral string movement in the rear over the "dum-de-dum, dum-de-dum", giving it a bit more of a dramatic edge.  The top-level melody is the spooky Delia Derbyshire original though.

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Quoting Hardyboy:
Is the show still in serial format, or are the 45-minute episodes all self-contained adventures?  I'm actually hoping for the latter, since I felt the Colin Baker serials suffered from poor pacing and slightly distorted storylines.

As I understand it, a few are actually two-parters ...

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Quoting Predator:
As I understand it, a few are actually two-parters ...

Yeah there are actually three two-parters in the first series.  The daleks make their appearance in the middle episode, shown on April 30th I think.  There's a glimpse of the revamped dalek look in the latest trailer on the BBC website.  They're dirty bronze in colour now and a bit more sinister looking than I remember them to be...

Simple things now like being able to see in the TARDIS from outside when the door is open and the incorporation of the door and the illuminated Police Public Call Box sign on the inside make all the difference though.

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My dad has gone about this show for years. So I don't care about Ant and Dec! I'm going to watch every single episode I can!
I'll tape Ant and Dec ajb007/biggrin

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I'm really looking forward to watching this now - just hope the series can live up to the expectations of it.

FelixLeiter007 - why don't you tape Doctor Who and watch Ant & Dec ? That way, if you enjoy it, you can watch it again.

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