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Thanks for sharing this story, Willie.

Quoting Willie Garvin:
Pierce Brosnan was offered the role of Simon Templar Jr,and he found it tempting--but he turned it down in order to be available in case Eon was interested in him playing James Bond.And as we all know,they were.

Now that would have been interesting to see, though I guess Pierce didn't want to be tangled with another television series which might hurt his chances to become a Bond.

Quoting Willie Garvin:
There's nothing of Leslie Charteris in it--even The Saint's internationally famous stick man symbol was redesigned.

Uh... And I thought I forgot all the bad things about that movie. Why did they change THAT?

Quoting Willie Garvin:
It would be a much better movie if it didn't pretend to be a Saint movie--because it really isn't, regardless of the title.

My thoughts exactly. You know, if you renamed Kilmer's character, it wouldn't make a difference at all.

Quoting Willie Garvin:
There are no winks or nods to the literary Saint anywhere in this movie.In fact,Roger Moore's UNICEF ad on the car radio at the film's close is the only link to what came before--and that's too bad.

Yeah, I think I mentioned that. This is certainly a nice individual wink, but not enough if the whole basic material is... un-Saintish?

Quoting Willie Garvin:
I sincerely doubt that he'd have enjoyed the Kilmer film.Leslie Charteris was always very protective of his literary character and careful to never give The Saint an origin--he's supposed to be a man of mystery,after all, and some mystery should always be maintained.

I guess he never thought about the Hollywood bigwigs, who would grab every opportunity to grab big buck$ with his name (both Templar's and Charteris' name).

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Quoting The Cat:
Thanks for sharing this story, Willie.

Quoting The Cat:
Quoting Willie Garvin:
Pierce Brosnan was offered the role of Simon Templar Jr,and he found it tempting--but he turned it down in order to be available in case Eon was interested in him playing James Bond.And as we all know,they were.

Now that would have been interesting to see, though I guess Pierce didn't want to be tangled with another television series which might hurt his chances to become a Bond.

Quoting The Cat:
Quoting Willie Garvin:
There's nothing of Leslie Charteris in it--even The Saint's internationally famous stick man symbol was redesigned.

Uh... And I thought I forgot all the bad things about that movie. Why did they change THAT?

Quoting The Cat:
Quoting Willie Garvin:
It would be a much better movie if it didn't pretend to be a Saint movie--because it really isn't, regardless of the title.

My thoughts exactly. You know, if you renamed Kilmer's character, it wouldn't make a difference at all.

Quoting The Cat:
Quoting Willie Garvin:
There are no winks or nods to the literary Saint anywhere in this movie.In fact,Roger Moore's UNICEF ad on the car radio at the film's close is the only link to what came before--and that's too bad.

Yeah, I think I mentioned that. This is certainly a nice individual wink, but not enough if the whole basic material is... un-Saintish?

Quoting The Cat:
Quoting Willie Garvin:
I sincerely doubt that he'd have enjoyed the Kilmer film.Leslie Charteris was always very protective of his literary character and careful to never give The Saint an origin--he's supposed to be a man of mystery,after all, and some mystery should always be maintained.

I guess he never thought about the Hollywood bigwigs, who would grab every opportunity to grab big buck$ with his name (both Templar's and Charteris' name).

Charteris wasn't too impressed with the producers he met in Hollywood.He liked George Sanders but didn't care for the stories in the RKO Saint films;almost all of them,with only two exceptions--The Saint in New York,starring Louis Hayward) and The Saint in London,starring George Sanders(these were both based directly on Charteris stories).But the remainder of the RKO Saint movies had original screenplays.

And that Saint movie Roger was going to appear in at one point would've been the first flick to launch a series of Saint films starring Pierce Brosnan--and not another tv show.Shortly after the Remington Steele tv series finally came to a close, Moore began approaching Brosnan with offers to do Saint movies.Roger Moore had acquired the dramatic rights to The Saint from Leslie Charteris-who had lived well into his 80s.

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That's very interesting about the Saint Jr.  I wonder if it would have worked well.  The "son of" films don't seem to have the same impact as the originals.

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Quoting Willie Garvin:
And that Saint movie Roger was going to appear in at one point would've been the first flick to launch a series of Saint films starring Pierce Brosnan--and not another tv show.Shortly after the Remington Steele tv series finally came to a close, Moore began approaching Brosnan with offers to do Saint movies.Roger Moore had acquired the dramatic rights to The Saint from Leslie Charteris-who had lived well into his 80s.

Oh, I see. I thought the movie was about to launch a television series... My bad. But than does Roger still have those rights you mentioned? Or did he sold them to the people behind the Kilmer movie? If so, who has the current 'Saint rights, if there's even such a thing (Bond made us get used to movie rights monopoly).

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Quoting The Cat:

Quoting The Cat:
Quoting Willie Garvin:
And that Saint movie Roger was going to appear in at one point would've been the first flick to launch a series of Saint films starring Pierce Brosnan--and not another tv show.Shortly after the Remington Steele tv series finally came to a close, Moore began approaching Brosnan with offers to do Saint movies.Roger Moore had acquired the dramatic rights to The Saint from Leslie Charteris-who had lived well into his 80s.

Oh, I see. I thought the movie was about to launch a television series... My bad. But than does Roger still have those rights you mentioned? Or did he sold them to the people behind the Kilmer movie? If so, who has the current 'Saint rights, if there's even such a thing (Bond made us get used to movie rights monopoly).

Good question and I don't know the answer.Whoever has them will certainly have to deal with the Charteris estate.It's my hope that Roger still has them but you never know...

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If you have BBC America, via cable, you can see him daily in the afternoons. Roger Moore fits this character like a glove. You'll love it.


IMO I was also entertained by George Sanders version of Templar.

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Quoting RogueAgent:
If you have BBC America, via cable, you can see him daily in the afternoons. Roger Moore fits this character like a glove. You'll love it.

I completely agree with you here, RogueAgent.  I've mostly caught the Saint during the BBC Friday Night Lineup, which also features Moore in his next cult TV series, the Persuaders!  Roger Moore is absolute perfection as the clever charmer Simon Templar, what I'd consider to be a glossier, more mysterious solo-agent version of John Steed of the Avengers. 

From what I've heard the Saint tends to be a TV series that you can easily rent from local public libraries, or so it seems to be the case where I am.  Perhaps you could try looking there?

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Quoting Tracy:
From what I've heard the Saint tends to be a TV series that you can easily rent from local public libraries, or so it seems to be the case where I am.  Perhaps you could try looking there?

Well, the library is out of the question, since I live in Michigan's Upper Peninsula which is very sparsely populated.  The local library is the size of a large apartment and doesn't rent videos, and the closest town with even a population over 10,000 is 100 miles away.

But I found my local cable company DOES carry BBC America, which I was actually surprised at. I was looking at BBC America's lineup, and they have lots of great shows.  Monty Python, the Persuaders, the Avengers, Blackadder? If only they had Absolutely Fabulous, I would be in British TV heaven! So I'll sign up for a different cable plan that includes BBC America soon, and then I'll scope out "The Saint".

Thanks to everybody who mentioned how good "The Saint" is, as soon as I watch a few episodes I'll give my own opinion about it.

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If you're brave enough to dare watch the WE channel, you can occasionally catch Ab Fab.  Unfortunately it tends to run during the daytime, according to my mum.

I think BBC America broadcasted Ab Fab some time ago, but I don't know if they have within the last few months.

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Well, I wasnt too busy last night at midnight, so I decided to watch the Saint.  I had watched a little of The Avengers beforehand and I didnt seem to like it too much, but as I started watching The Saint, I loved it.  I was a bit skeptical on whether I'd like it or not, but now I think I'm hooked.  The episode was The Scales of Justice and it seemed to be perfect.  The suspense was there, ooh, I cant wait to see another.

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Quoting one night stand:
Well, I wasnt too busy last night at midnight, so I decided to watch the Saint.  I had watched a little of The Avengers beforehand and I didnt seem to like it too much, but as I started watching The Saint, I loved it.  I was a bit skeptical on whether I'd like it or not, but now I think I'm hooked.  The episode was The Scales of Justice and it seemed to be perfect.  The suspense was there, ooh, I cant wait to see another.

Were you watching the episode "Who's Who?" by chance?  It's not my favorite episode plotwise as the actors playing the enemy operatives whose minds are swapped do a terrible job at imitating the mannerisms and style of speaking of the real Steed and Mrs. Peel.  Patrick Macnee and Diana Rigg, on the other hand, are absolutely delightful as Basil and Lola.  It's a pretty bad starting episode as an introduction to the series; I'd recommend "The Correct Way to Kill" (easily my favorite color episode) if you want to know what the Avengers are all about ajb007/smile.  The Avengers tend to be much more focused on sci-fi high-tech and "Oh no, the Russians (always called the opposition, mind you) are out to wreck havoc!" sort of storylines while the Saint is more of a private eye sort of show.

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Yeah, I was watching Who's Who.  I'll have to give the Avengers a few more watches before I can make the judgement.  Thanks

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The Saint is a great show. I have the whole color edisode collection (7 dvd sets) and I have already pre paid for the first black and white set which is available tommorow. I can't wait.

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I just ordered the Simon Dutton series off E-bay.  I've been waiting for this to come out for ages.  I missed it first time around and it's reputation ain't great, but it's out on DVD in a land down under so I've imported a copy.  Has to be better than the Kilmer "My name is Bruno" version.

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Indeed the Dutton series is better than the Kilmer version, but there are a lot of problems with it.  Simon Dutton is fine as Simon Templar, although some of the clothing he's given make him look more like a civil servant on his way home from his work.  A lot of the stories don't make that much sense, with too much reliance on coincidence.  And some of the people Templar is helping are prats.  In fact in one episode he helps a man who has a child by a 12-year old Thai girl.  I was genuinely astonished by this.  Instead of helping the weak, he’s helping somebody who prays upon them.  I know Templar is essentially a mercenary, but good grief.  ajb007/insane

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According to Deadline/Hollywood, Adam Rayner is to play Simon Templar in a TV remake of The Saint. The pilot episode is slated to begin shooting later this month. The completed pilot is expected to be shopped to networks.

Adam Rayner Lands Lead In 'The Saint' Remake From Jesse Alexander, Simon West
http://www.deadline.com/2012/12/adam-ra … imon-west/

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Moore Than wrote:

According to Deadline/Hollywood, Adam Rayner is to play Simon Templar in a TV remake of The Saint. The pilot episode is slated to begin shooting later this month. The completed pilot is expected to be shopped to networks.

Adam Rayner Lands Lead In 'The Saint' Remake From Jesse Alexander, Simon West
http://www.deadline.com/2012/12/adam-ra … imon-west/

Could be interesting. It would have to be something excellent to attempt to rival my affection for Moore's Simon Templar though. I prefer Moore as the Saint than as Bond. Yet I don't see a remake being anything like the 60s series because it really is very much of its time - which is partly what I love about it. Moore's suits and perfectly groomed hair are the stars of the show for me  ajb007/lol There's an episode where he goes to prison and he still looks perfect!  ajb007/lol

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An update from Deadline/Hollywood on The Saint TV pilot episode. Eliza Dushku is set to co-star opposite Adam Rayner. Also, Roger Moore has joined as a co-producer along with his son Geoffrey.

Eliza Dushku To Co-Star In 'The Saint' Backdoor Pilot, Roger Moore To Co-Produce
http://www.deadline.com/2012/12/eliza-d … o-produce/

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Here is a photo (from the set?) posted earlier today by Eliza Dushku with the message #The Saint Craving new & delicious International Espionage? #SimonWest #AdamRayner RT

http://instagram.com/p/Tdwrpft9ne/

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According to Deadline/Hollywood, Roger Moore and Ian Ogilvy will appear in the new Saint TV pilot episode. Also joining the cast are James Remar (Dexter), Enrique Murciano (CSI), Thomas Kretschmann (Wanted), Beatrice Rosen (The Dark Knight), Yani Gellman (90210), Greg Grunberg (Heroes), Michael Ornstein (Sons Of Anarchy), Sonalii Castillo (Heroes), Sammi Hanratty (A Christmas Carol), Oliver Bell (The Sparticle Mystery), Kirsty Mitchell (Capone's Boys), and Jason Brooks (Star Trek).

Former 'Saint' Stars Roger Moore And Ian Ogilvy Join The Cast Of New 'Saint' Pilot
http://www.deadline.com/2012/12/former- … ore-392695

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From The Saint Club. Two pics of Roger Moore and Adam Rayner on the set of the new pilot TV episode at the Eagle Ski Club in Gstaad, Switzerland.

https://twitter.com/thesaintclub/status … 44/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Major_Boothroyd/sta … 57/photo/1

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An interview with John Martin, co-producer of the new pilot episode. Amongst other things he talks about what drew him to the project, locations, Simon Templar's social scene, and the cast.

The Saint Revival Promises 'New Take' on Simon Templar
http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2 … n-templar/

Adam Rayner and Ian Ogilvy
http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/saint-570x427.jpg

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It will be great to see a new series of the saint.  Can anyone remember they tried
a remake before, I think it was in the mid 80's and he drove a black lambo. But I
can't remember who played him etc. It was a one off and a series didn't follow.

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Thunderpussy wrote:

It will be great to see a new series of the saint.  Can anyone remember they tried
a remake before, I think it was in the mid 80's and he drove a black lambo. But I
can't remember who played him etc. It was a one off and a series didn't follow.

I think you may be referring to the 1989 ITV series of six episodes starring Simon Dutton. I have never seen any of them so I am just guessing.

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The books are good too. Saint Around The World are great short stories.

Maybe they created Pepper as a sort of Inspector Teal to Moore's Bond.

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