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JakeL wrote:

He was a superhero at first when Roger had the role. Then Timothy did a great thing for us and brought it all down-to-earth, only so that the Brosnan era would remake the character an ultimate international troubleshooter. Let's see how they come up with it in Casino Royale.

Dalton was terrible for the series. He made Bond far too human and too realistic. The Bond films are beyond reality. Yes, the earlier (Connery) Bond films were quite realistic in contrast with films like Moonraker, but Bond himself was much less realistic than in the Dalton films.

Dalton tried to ground Bond in reality, But Bond can only exist in his reality. Finally, I would like to point out that with the possible exception of the Dalton films, Bond has always been an ultimate international troubleshooter.

Last edited by Dan Same (6th Oct 2009 00:55)

"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman

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Here's my update from April 11th; (the parentheses indicate where the film ranked previously)

All-Time Favorites
1)Goldfinger (1)
2)Dr.No (2)
3)The Spy Who Loved Me (7)
4)From Russia With Love (5)
5)Licence to Kill (4)

Good
6)Thunderball (6)
7)Live And Let Die (3)
8)You Only Live Twice (8)
9)Diamonds Are Forever (10)
10)GoldenEye (9)

Average
11)On Her Majesty's Secret Service (20)
12)The Living Daylights (12)
13)The World is Not Enough (11)
14)A View to a Kill (19)
15)Moonraker (13)

Below Average
16)The Man With the Golden Gun (15)
17)Octopussy (17)
18)For Your Eyes Only (16)
19)Tomorrow Never Dies (14)

Failure
20) Die Another Day (18)

Most improved was OHMSS which went from 20 to 11.

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I love this sort of thing.  Nothing is more potentially contentious. The original CR has been omitted because it is an INTENTIONAL comedy/spoof, as opposed to #s 20 and 21, which (IMHO) are UNintentional... ajb007/bond

1. From Russia, With Love
2. Goldfinger
3. Dr. No
4. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
5. Thunderball
6. Diamonds Are Forever
7. You Only Live Twice
8. Goldeneye
9. For Your Eyes Only
10. Live And Let Die
11. The Living Daylights
12. The Man With The Golden Gun
13. The Spy Who Loved Me
14. License To Kill
15. Never Say Never Again (HA!)
16. Tomorrow Never Dies
17. The World Is Not Enough
18. Die Another Day
19. Moonraker
20. Octopussy
21. A View To A Kill

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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM

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1.frwl
2.tswlm
3.octopussy
4.twine
5.ohmss
6.tld
7.goldfinger
8.tnd
9.goldeneye
10.fyeo
11.Dr.no
12.thunderball
13.lald
14.yolt
15.ltk
16.dad
17.tmwtgg
18.moonraker
19.daf
20.avtak

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1.  The Man With The Golden Gun
2.  The Living Daylights
3.  A View To A Kill
4.  On Her Majesty's Secret Service
5.  Moonraker

6.  Goldfinger
7.  From Russia With Love
8.  The Spy Who Loved Me
9.  Diamonds Are Forever
10.  Live And Let Die

11.  Dr. No
12.  You Only Live Twice
13.  Octopussy
14.  License To Kill
15.  Thunderball

16.  For Your Eyes Only
17.  Goldeneye
18.  Tomorrow Never Dies
19.  The World Is Not Enough
20.  Die Another Day

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As for Dalton, I simply think he did not look the part at all.  He was neither a pretty boy like Moore or Lazenby; nor did he have an aura of dangerous sexuality like Brosnan and Connery did.  He's just fuggly Dalton.

Anyway, I think the strength of his films, TLD and LTK, are the reasons a lot of people still like his Bond.  He's okay, but he's at the bottom for me...

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SiameseFightingFish wrote:

Are you saying that Bond has to be a god to make the series good? Besides which, is it all Timothy Dalton's fault that his two movies were a bomb for not sticking to the way we like it? LTK was a good movie, but I can understand how you feel about it. Know this: the movie was largely created by the writers and the directors, NOT the actors! Tim was actually the best choice for the role. However, he is the victim of bad luck and bad timing.

No, Bond does not have to be a god, but he does to be the best at what he does. And, no, the fact that TLD and LTK were so terrible was not solely due to Dalton, but he he must take most of the blame. Know this: Dalton was never the best choice!! He was pathetic and should never have been allowed to even appear in a Bond film. To simply blame the horror that he was on bad luck and bad timing is completely ridiculous! He was horrible and would be the worst choice in any circumstance!

Last edited by Dan Same (31st Jul 2005 10:20)

"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman

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Oh, God. ROTS comes out, I'm sick of Star Wars fans bashing the films, and each other, I come out here for some peace and quiet until CR, and look. We have a predictable Dalton basher. I like all the Bond actors, and I appreciate all the films. Even (shudder) NSNR and (larger shudder) DAD. I think that Dalton lended a much needed anger and hatred to Bond after the lighthearted, feelgood Moore. Whatever he was'nt, he was needed. As for LTK, every film series needs a "Dark" film. If you watch all the Bond films and accept them for what they are, and enjoy them for what they are, you'll be a much happier, and wiser fan.

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1.Licence To Kill
2.Thunderball
3.The Living Daylights
4.For Your Eyes Only
5.Goldeneye
6.Goldfinger
7.From Russia With Love
8.Dr. No
9.On Her Majesty's Secret Service
10.A View to a Kill
11.You Only Live Twice
12.Diamonds Are Forever
13.Tomorrow Never Dies
14.The World Is Not Enough
15.Octopussy
16.Live And Let Die
17.The Spy Who Loved Me
18.Die Another Day
19.The Man With The Golden Gun
20.Moonraker

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In honor of my 200th post, here are my latest Ultimate Bond rankings:

1. From Russia With Love
2. For Your Eyes Only
3. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
4. The Living Daylights
5. The World Is Not Enough
6. Thunderball
7. Diamonds Are Forever
8. Dr. No
9. Tomorrow Never Dies
10. The Man With The Golden Gun
11. The Spy Who Loved Me
12. Goldfinger
13. License To Kill
14. Octopussy
15. You Only Live Twice
16. A View To A Kill
17. Die Another Day
18. Live And Let Die
19. Goldeneye
20. Moonraker


Not a huge difference over the past year or so.  FRWL returns to the top spot, dropping FYEO to #2.  I must say that I am liking DAD a bit more for its campiness, ala DAF, though it still ranks pretty low.  MR continues to be firmly plastered to the bottom of my list.

Last edited by A Kristatos (9th Aug 2005 04:54)

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Felix_Blofeld wrote:

Oh, God. ROTS comes out, I'm sick of Star Wars fans bashing the films, and each other, I come out here for some peace and quiet until CR, and look. We have a predictable Dalton basher. I like all the Bond actors, and I appreciate all the films. Even (shudder) NSNR and (larger shudder) DAD. I think that Dalton lended a much needed anger and hatred to Bond after the lighthearted, feelgood Moore. Whatever he was'nt, he was needed. As for LTK, every film series needs a "Dark" film. If you watch all the Bond films and accept them for what they are, and enjoy them for what they are, you'll be a much happier, and wiser fan.

Give me a break. I and other people are not bashing the films or each other, we're simply engaging in debate about the films. I'm also not a 'predictable Dalton basher'. Although he's my second least favorite Bond, and although both of his films are among my three least favorite Bond films, I still prefer the Dalton films to a whole lot of non-Bond spy films, adventure films and thrillers. I still watch AVTAK virtually every time it's on TV. it just so happens to be my least favorite Bond film. So as I said, I do apreciate evry Bond film and actor, I just have preferences. I also have no problem with Bond films being dark. So my problem with LTK wasn't its darkness. It's Dalton, who I don't believe should ever have been hired. (but I still watch and enjoy his films.)

Finally in regards to your last comment, I'm just as happy a Bond fan as you are (if not more). After all, I absolutely adore Bond and I'm completely satisfied with my emotional relationship with the films. And as for being wise, I would question how wise a fan you really are if you simply watch films and never question or debate elements of these films.

Plus, why did you go onto these website if you believe that one should simply accept the films for what they are and never debate their strengths and weaknesses?

"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman

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Hi all. Thought I’d contribute my two cents to this very popular thread.

There’s no way I could put all twenty Eon Bonds in strict preferential order. I can single out FRWL, OHMSS and FYEO as my top three choices, but as to what order they should go in, I’m at a loss. (On most days I’d say OHMSS takes top prize, and leave FRWL and FYEO to fight it out for second place.)

But in all honesty, it’s easier for me to single out those films I feel are the weakest of the series, in which case my list goes: TND, TWINE, DAD, more or less in that order.

P.S. I used to be ttilton, but changed my User ID when I saw that almost everyone else had a cool movie-related name.

Last edited by C_Varrick (9th Aug 2005 16:57)

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Oh, every Bond film has a weakness. Some more than others. (I'm looking at you, DAD). Every Bond actor, however, does their own spin on the role. And, of course, every bond actor has a weakness. But the constant bashing can really get on your nerves. However, i'm sorry if have raised your gander.

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Dan Same wrote:

So my problem with LTK wasn't its darkness. It's Dalton, who I don't believe should ever have been hired. (but I still watch and enjoy his films.)

Funny, I feel the same way about Pierce Brosnan - I liked his earlier films and respect him as an actor, but I can't stand him as Bond. Too smarmy and unremarkable in the role. He's been described as 'Bond Lite' by one critic, something I agree with. You can sometimes tell he's trying to be like Connery, but can't quite pull it off. As for Dalton, I wish he had a third kick at the can. I liked the fact he was so different and more realistic than the rest.

On thing I think we can all agree on is that periodically having different actors in the role strengthens the entire series. However, I feel we're going through a downturn in quality lately, with overblown special effects and cartoonish henchmen. I get a bigger thrill out of watching the tanker truck in LTK drive on its side wheels and crushing the jeep (a real stunt) versus Brosnan's impossible CGI fluff.

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Hear, Hear.

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Supreme:
1) The Spy Who Loved Me
2) From Russia With Love

Great:
3) For Your Eyes Only
4) Goldfinger
5) Octopussy
6) You Only Live Twice
7) The Living Daylights
8) On Her Majesty's Secret Service
9) Live And Let Die
10) Dr. No
11) Moonraker
12) Thunderball
13) Diamonds Are Forever
14) A View To A Kill

Weak:
15) Licence To Kill
16) The Man With The Golden Gun

Insult:
17) GoldenEye
18) Tomorrow Never Dies
19) The World Is Not Enough
20) Die Another Day

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i can see you have a grudge against Brosnan, but... what is your beef with LTK?

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1. ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE

2. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE
3. DR. NO
4. GOLDFINGER
5. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY
6. THUNDERBALL
7. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME
8. GOLDENEYE
9. YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE
10. LICENCE TO KILL
11. THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
12. OCTOPUSSY
13. DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER
14. LIVE AND LET DIE
15. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN
16. A VIEW TO A KILL
17. TOMORROW NEVER DIES
18. THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH
19. DIE ANOTHER DAY





20. MOONRAKER

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Great
1 Licence To Kill / Dalton
2 The Living Daylights / Dalton
3 For Your Eyes only / Moore
4 On Her Majecty's Secret Service / Lazemby
5 From Russia With Love / Connery

Good
6 You Only Live Twice / Connery
7 Goldfinger / Connery
8 Thunderball / Connery
9 The Spy Who Loved Me / Moore
10 Live And Let Die / Moore
11 Dr No / Connery
12 A View To A Kill / Moore

Bad
13 Diamonds are Forever / Connery
14 Moonraker / Moore
15 Octopussy / Moore
16 The Man With The Golden Gun / Moore

Horrible
17 Tomorrow Never Dies / Brosnan
18 Golden Eye / Brosnan
19 World Is Not Enough / Brosnan
20 Die Another Day / Brosnan

Last edited by From Finland (15th Aug 2005 16:47)

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This ranking tends to change each time I put it together.

The Top 5 never changes apart from switching places with each other once in awhile:

Excellent
1.  Never Say Never Again
2.  The Spy Who Loved Me
3.  On Her Majesty's Secret Service
4.  A View to a Kill
5.  For Your Eyes Only

Great
6.  The Living Daylights
7.  GoldenEye
8.  Goldfinger
9.  You Only Live Twice
10. Live and Let Die
11. Doctor No
12. From Russia With Love

Okay
13. Octopussy
14. The Man With The Golden Gun
15. Thunderball
16. Moonraker
17. License to Kill
18. Diamonds are Forever
19. Die Another Day

Horrible
20. Tomorrow Never Dies
21. Casino Royale (1967)
22. The World is Not Enough

Last edited by DLibrasnow (15th Aug 2005 19:47)

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I just discovered this site, and I'm quite happy to find so many Bond fans in one place. So the best way to introduce myself is to give my list...

Great:

From Russia With Love
For Your Eyes Only
The Living Daylights

Very Good:

The Spy Who Loved Me
You Only Live Twice
Dr. No
Goldfinger
Licence To Kill

Okay:

Goldeneye
Octopussy
Thunderball
Live And Let Die
On Her Majesty's Secret Service

Mediocre:

A View To A Kill
The World Is Not Enough
Tomorrow Never Dies
The Man With The Golden Gun
Diamonds Are Forever
Never Say Never Again (not official, I know)

Awful:

Moonraker
Die Another Day

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This is my updated list

My Favorite:


1. Octopussy
2. License To Kill
3. The Living Daylights
4. Thunderball
5. A View To A Kill
6. From Russia With Love


Really Good:

7. Tomorrow Never Dies
8. Goldfinger
9. The Spy Who Loved Me
10. The Man With the Golden Gun
11. Goldeneye
12. The World Is Not Enough

Pretty good:


13. Live And Let Die
14. For Your Eyes Only
15. On Her Majesty’s Secret Service
16. Dr. No

Not the best but enjoyable:


17. Moonraker
18. Die Another Day

Worst but I still like to watch them:


19. Diamonds Are Forever
20. You Only Live Twice

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This is my new list in catergories:

The best of the best-
1)GOLDFINGER
2)THUNDERBALL
3)FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE
4)DR. NO
5)YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE
6)THE SPY WHO LOVED ME

Almost perfect, but not quite-
7)ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE
8)GOLDENEYE

Very good-
9)FOR YOUR EYES ONLY
10)LIVE AND LET DIE
11)DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER
12)OCTOPUSSY

Good-
13)THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH
14)TOMORROW NEVER DIES
15)MOONRAKER
16)THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN

The worst (for a Bond film)-
17)LICENCE TO KILL
18)DIE ANOTHER DAY
19)THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
20)A VIEW TO A KILL

Last edited by Dan Same (25th May 2009 23:46)

"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman

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Wow...we have done this so often..but then again peoples opinions do change.  Red, I have to admit, I am quite impressed...much different than a few years ago when I first got on this site.

1. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
2. Goldfinger
3. From Russia With Love
4. For Your Eyes Only
5. The Spy Who Loved Me
6. Dr. No
7. Thunderball
8. Octopussy
9. Goldeneye
10. You Only Live Twice
11. The Living Daylights
12. The World is Not Enough
13. The Man With The Golden Gun
14. Diamonds are Forever
15. Live and Let Die
16. A Veiw To A Kill
17. Licence to Kill
18. Tomorrow Never Dies
19. Die Another Day
20. Moonraker

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1) On Her Majesty's Secret Service (Connery may have been the best Bond, but this IS truly the best Bond movie. The most action, the best story, the best Bond leading lady, the best John Barry musical score).
2) Thunderball (probably the most quintessential representation of Bond.  Slightly beat out by OHMSS.  Connery's personal favorite Bond flick, incidentally).
3) From Russia with Love
4) Goldfinger (a GREAT film, but the most overrated because so many people consider it the best. In my opinion, the flash begins to ever-so-slightly outweigh the substance of the storyline).
5) The World Is Not Enough
6) The Spy Who Loved Me
7) Dr. No
8) For Your Eyes Only
9) You Only Live Twice
10) Goldeneye
11) License to Kill
12) Live and Let Die
13) A View to a Kill (a mediocre Bond film, but not nearly as bad as most people make it out to be. Easily better than the seven listed below).
14) Diamonds are Forever
15) Octopussy
16) Tomorrow Never Dies
17) Moonraker
18) Die Another Day
19) The Living Daylights
20) The Man with the Golden Gun (Easily the worst Bond film ever. Just plain dull).