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Topic: Baccarat- is there still a possibility?

I was reading I think what was yesterdays USA Today article on CR, and it said that the game Le Chiffre would be playing was indeed Baccarat. It wasn't talking about the book, either. Is it a possibility that it could still be Baccarat, or did they just report wrong?

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They could be wrong, alternatively...
SPOILER FOLLOWS






there are two card games in the film, so both might not be poker...

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emtiem wrote:

They could be wrong, alternatively...
SPOILER FOLLOWS






there are two card games in the film, so both might not be poker...

that is good.  Poker just doesn't quite fit Bond.

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0064 wrote:
emtiem wrote:

They could be wrong, alternatively...
SPOILER FOLLOWS




there are two card games in the film, so both might not be poker...

that is good.  Poker just doesn't quite fit Bond.

I agree, let us hope it's baccarat. The casino-scene will be a very important scene in the movie. So it's important that they play the best cardgame (baccarat). Aah, I can't wait to see Bond sitting in the casino, facing Le Chiffre. Both actors (Craig and Mikkelsen) have a mean look, so I think it will be a powerful scene if they act good.

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One of the online script reviews said that there is no Texas hold-em poker in the screenplay, so I'm banking (so to speak) on the game being baccarat.

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We'll just have to wait and see, but I hope the Texas Hold 'em rumor was just that- a rumor.

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It would actually help to explain why there are two card games, if the game of choice is baccarat.  The first game shows the audience how it is played, and how one wins and loses; that way, when it is the big game with Le Chiffre, they can become involved and tense and they understand how the game is going.

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jetsetwilly wrote:

It would actually help to explain why there are two card games, if the game of choice is baccarat.  The first game shows the audience how it is played, and how one wins and loses; that way, when it is the big game with Le Chiffre, they can become involved and tense and they understand how the game is going.

Or send them off into a snooze...  I have to say I don't care how it's played or really want to understand it.  I'm afraid, for me, nothing on earth could make a game of cards anything other than mind-numbingly boring.  Whether they're playing Stick 'Em Up or Baccarat (didn't they have a hit with I Can Boogie?) or Bridge or Rummy I wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

I'm hoping for the one card game, just with Le Chiffre, to keep the tedium to a minimum.  Shorter and fewer card games the better, for me!

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I felt the same way about golf until I saw "Goldfinger."

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Hey guys, they could just be playing a high stakes round of "snap"

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I'll hold out hope for Baccarat until I see differently on the big screen on 17 November.

And I understand the concerns of non-card players like M5---I don't have much of a head for cards myself, but Baccarat has always been close enough to the fairly simple 'Blackjack' that I can appreciate the skill and chance which intersect whenever huge sums of money are at stake.  The key card game scenes in CR won't necessarily be lengthy---but I predict (or rather, hope ajb007/wink  ) that they will contain very cinematic---and almost tangible---moments of suspense...particularly for those unfamiliar with the source novel.*

* Assuming any resemblance remains by the time the film premieres.  ajb007/wink

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I really like Baccarat, but it's too fast paced for a suspenseful scene. It's like Blackjack on steroids, but then again, that's how a lot of card games are (even some forms of Poker).

The thing about Texas Hold'Em, though, is that it's the only 'epic' card game if you want to call it that. There can be tons of players at once, and each round, and there are usually many, is quite long and can be extremely suspenseful because the stakes are usually very high. That's why I occasionally watch it on ESPN and can't stop. ajb007/amazed And with the dealer laying down the flop one after another, etc., it's a very cinematic game as well.

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I think the pace of any card game in a movie is controlled by editing...and of course,  direction.  Any pregnant pause, anticipating the turn of a card, can be epic if done correctly IMHO.

I've made peace with Texas Hold 'Em Poker, if it truly is the game of CR...but I confess to being a bit of a traditionalist in this regard, and prefer the game we've seen (and read) Bond playing since '53.  Either way, I'm there when the lights go down.  ajb007/smile

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Moonraker 5 wrote:

Or send them off into a snooze...  I have to say I don't care how it's played or really want to understand it.  I'm afraid, for me, nothing on earth could make a game of cards anything other than mind-numbingly boring.  Whether they're playing Stick 'Em Up or Baccarat (didn't they have a hit with I Can Boogie?) or Bridge or Rummy I wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

I'm hoping for the one card game, just with Le Chiffre, to keep the tedium to a minimum.  Shorter and fewer card games the better, for me!

It's theoretically possible to make anything exciting- Goldfinger even made golf a great scene. I know exactly what you mean as I'm a bit concerned about the torture scene- I've never seen one that didn't drag, but that doesn't mean they can't make it well in theory.
And I don't think there's any doubt that there are two games- we've seen them filming the intro to the first (DB5).

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Poker can be exiting on screen, just watch "the Cincinatty kid" (spelling?). In the CR novel I think Leiter explains the game for Vesper while it's being played. That copuld be a good way to keep the audience in the game.

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Moonraker 5 wrote:
jetsetwilly wrote:

It would actually help to explain why there are two card games, if the game of choice is baccarat.  The first game shows the audience how it is played, and how one wins and loses; that way, when it is the big game with Le Chiffre, they can become involved and tense and they understand how the game is going.

Or send them off into a snooze...  I have to say I don't care how it's played or really want to understand it.  I'm afraid, for me, nothing on earth could make a game of cards anything other than mind-numbingly boring.  Whether they're playing Stick 'Em Up or Baccarat (didn't they have a hit with I Can Boogie?) or Bridge or Rummy I wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

I'm hoping for the one card game, just with Le Chiffre, to keep the tedium to a minimum.  Shorter and fewer card games the better, for me!

I used to always read your posts against the card games and agree whole-heartedly, thinking they were boring and dull. But when I recently re-read CR, I took the time to read Bond's explanation of the rules to Vesper carefully and precisely until I understood the game adequately. I was amazed, it was like reading something new - despite knowing the outcome, I was thrilled and incredibly tense when I read the card game. I think that Jetsetwilly is right, if they manage to explain the game to the audience (which I appreciate will be hard, and THAT could send them to sleep), then the game will be excellently tense.

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While I must confess a lack of interest in any sort of significant card game vis-a-vis 007, one of the things that makes this Forum great is the intelligent debate and respect I see whenever a niche topic comes up.

Um, even when it relates to watches, lol.

I'm probably still more in the camp of less cards, not more. But I must also confess to being quite moved by the Goldfinger golf game reference. Never played a game in my life the first time I saw that classic 1964 face off, yet that dramatic tension was very clear to me (and remains great epic to this day, in my opinion).

In reading Casino Royale over the weekend, I further got to thinking that card games and gambling aren't today what they were when Fleming wrote about it in 1953. We have Indian casinos here in Michigan, for goodness sakes! not just the exotic locales of Europe and Las Vegas. Whole TV series revolve around casino runnings, and stars play games off against each other.

So, a familiarity and popularity to be leveraged by Our Man, perhaps.

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As cool and as sophisticated as baccarat is in the novel, I am hoping for texas hold'em.  Even though it would seem like they are doing it to pander to the masses and because of the popularity of poker today, I think it would be better to watch than baccarat. 
Poker is not a game of pure luck like baccarat, and I think this would give Bond chances to outplay and outwit Lechiffre.  Some of my favorite scenes in Bond movies are where Bond outwits the villain and infuriates him ala GF or OP.
So I think they could play up a great scene where Bond takes all of his chips. Maybe LeChiffre bluffs, maybe Bond makes him sweat and then calls with a sweet hand, lots of dramatic possibilities.  Plus, just the way the dealer puts up the cards on the board can be very intense and pleasing to the eye I think.
Of course some think poker should have no place in Bond movies and I can understand this opinion as well as sentiment for all of the great baccarat scenes over the years, so if they stick with baccarat I won't be too upset either. ajb007/smile

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Loeffelholz wrote:

I've made peace with Texas Hold 'Em Poker, if it truly is the game of CR...but I confess to being a bit of a traditionalist in this regard, and prefer the game we've seen (and read) Bond playing since '53.  Either way, I'm there when the lights go down.  ajb007/smile

Well put and now that I've given it some thought, I agree.  It's good to see the whole of "Bond" swing back toward the "feel" of the novels, even if the details don't. 

Chris

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As Benskelly said, there is a bigger chance to be Texas Hold'em than Baccarat... i can't remember in which trailer (perhaps in the sony tec video) shows some table scenes in which shows five cards and the crouprier(?) recieves two cards and makes a game.

When i read CR, i had no idea how to play Baccarat, but when Bond explains Vesper.. i've got it, and sweat in the game itself. so, it doesn't matter if there is a card game or two, i hope they explain something (to make the audience understand and then suffer)

but yeah, i hope in some point we see baccarat - as a posibility to raise the funds for Bond or Le Chiffre. what i understand every Bond (perhaps not Dalton) had played a important game of Baccarat

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Dalton played Blackjack.

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I've played both in casinos, If it's a question of which game is more exciting & takes more nerve to play....Hold 'em wins. 


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The trailer pretty much gives away that it's Hold 'Em. We see a close up of a hand holding two cards...the two cards you get in the game.

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Hardyboy wrote:

One of the online script reviews said that there is no Texas hold-em poker in the screenplay, so I'm banking (so to speak) on the game being baccarat.

I have a copy of the script on my desk at the moment, and I can tell you that the game they play is Texas Hold 'em, however it is never referred to by name.

In fact, the “Dealer” introduces it as “no limit Tenez Les Cartes” in the script.

Hope this clears things up

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Tenez les cartes? Can somebody explain what this is? I mean, I assume it is another name for Texas Hold 'Em, but it doesn't translate as that, does it?