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Topic: Original Star Trek to be re-released with new CGI effects

Of interest to Star Trek fans: starting in mid-September, Paramount will be releasing its original Star Trek television series to syndicated TV channels with new CGI effects. The episodes are also being remastered to HD quality.

This will probably be a controversial move for purists who feel the original episodes should not be tampered with. But hopefully it will introduce the original show to a new audience who might not otherwise be interested.

Here's an article on TV Guide's website with more info...


http://www.tvguide.com/News/Insider/?cm … 2972A5B%7D

Last edited by TonyDP (31st Aug 2006 17:40)

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Making them HD quality is great and it would be wonderful if they cleaned up the old prints.  But pulling a Lucas and changing what's actually on screen, I don't like at all.  Part of it's charms are the shaky sets, the paper mache boulders etc.  I  think it's the best of the Trek series with only DS9 giving it a run for it's money.

MBE

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From what I've read, they're going to focus primarily on the exterior FX shots, so there shouldn't be too many (if any) changes to the live action.

Classic Trek is my favorite as well and will always hold a special place in my heart. Some of my earliest childhood memories after coming to America revolve around that show and it helped me to learn english and shape many of my interests that remain with me to this day.

I own the original series on DVD so I have no problem with what they're doing; I'm really looking forward to seeing this new iteration and I hope that it does introduce Trek to a new generation. It certainly won't be any worse than the recent drek that as passed for Trek.

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MBE_ wrote:

Making them HD quality is great and it would be wonderful if they cleaned up the old prints.  But pulling a Lucas and changing what's actually on screen, I don't like at all.  Part of it's charms are the shaky sets, the paper mache boulders etc.  I  think it's the best of the Trek series with only DS9 giving it a run for it's money.

MBE

It's nice to hear someone else appreciates DS9! I enjoyed the 'spirit' of TNG, but I thought DS9 had a lot more heart in it...and a series finale that actually had some thought and feeling (unlike ST:VOYAGER!)

But enhanced Trek FX? I'd have to see it to know for sure, but to quote Captain Kirk: "Sounds like fun!"

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darenhat wrote:
MBE_ wrote:

Making them HD quality is great and it would be wonderful if they cleaned up the old prints.  But pulling a Lucas and changing what's actually on screen, I don't like at all.  Part of it's charms are the shaky sets, the paper mache boulders etc.  I  think it's the best of the Trek series with only DS9 giving it a run for it's money.

MBE

It's nice to hear someone else appreciates DS9! I enjoyed the 'spirit' of TNG, but I thought DS9 had a lot more heart in it...and a series finale that actually had some thought and feeling (unlike ST:VOYAGER!)

But enhanced Trek FX? I'd have to see it to know for sure, but to quote Captain Kirk: "Sounds like fun!"


It'll certainly  be interesting to see.I'm another DS9 fan.I really cared about that show's characters in a way I never did for any of those on the other programs.The writers producers and actors on DS9 really took the opportunity to make their characters evolve substantially--something that wasn't quite as true on the other ST shows.The stories were great and the series came to an end gracefully and logically.:)

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This is no doubt a move to re-energize OTS mania before the release of what will obviously be the cinematic reboot of the OTS films in 2008, a movie for which I am personally very excited.

Who would you guys like to see cast? I personally think that Kiefer Sutherland would make a terrific Captain James T. Kirk: he's about the same age as Bill Shatner was when he was Kirk, and he even looks a little like the young Shatner. There are rumors that Matt Damon is being sought for the job: he would be acceptable to me. I haven't really thought about the rest of the cast.

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The new effects look lovely- it's all just a bit of fun and I'd love to have a look at these.

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It's like playing with fire for some of us old-schoolers here...but I do welcome the HD.

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Willie Garvin wrote:
darenhat wrote:
MBE_ wrote:

Making them HD quality is great and it would be wonderful if they cleaned up the old prints.  But pulling a Lucas and changing what's actually on screen, I don't like at all.  Part of it's charms are the shaky sets, the paper mache boulders etc.  I  think it's the best of the Trek series with only DS9 giving it a run for it's money.

MBE

It's nice to hear someone else appreciates DS9! I enjoyed the 'spirit' of TNG, but I thought DS9 had a lot more heart in it...and a series finale that actually had some thought and feeling (unlike ST:VOYAGER!)

But enhanced Trek FX? I'd have to see it to know for sure, but to quote Captain Kirk: "Sounds like fun!"


It'll certainly  be interesting to see.I'm another DS9 fan.I really cared about that show's characters in a way I never did for any of those on the other programs.The writers producers and actors on DS9 really took the opportunity to make their characters evolve substantially--something that wasn't quite as true on the other ST shows.The stories were great and the series came to an end gracefully and logically.:)

For the most part I found TNG to be a bore.  Everyone was just so proper that they never seemed like they were having fun.  Just imagine how much more fun Q would have had with Captain Kirk. ajb007/smile  Voyager, I liked better than TBG but it went downhill with the overemphasis on 7 of 9, and I could never get into the last one even though I loved Bakula in Quantum Leap.

DS9 had the best collection of unique characters aside from the original.  With a larger regular/revolving cast though it has more variety and complexity.  It also seemed to be written to fit into a larger very complex plan where you could see all these small and large threads connecting and weaving in and out until the finale.  The stories were mostly darker, but they also had fun and the characters on whole had much more of a sense of humor and warmth than those of TNG.  I loved the series and would much rather have seen a film based on them than TNG which felt so sterile in comparison.

MBE

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Here's an article from the official Trek website with some more info:


http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/n … 23775.html

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I'm quite a big fan of TNG, myself---God help me, I've the entire 7 seasons---on Columbia House VHS!!!  ajb007/amazed ajb007/amazed ajb007/amazed  Anybody wanna buy some TAPES?!?!?  ajb007/embarrassed

I thought it contained some of the best-written television of its era---and in fact, rivalled the DC Fontana and Richard Matheson scripts of the original, on occasion. 

I'm sure the same could be said about DS9, but the politics of a sedentary location in space---despite the obvious hook of being a 'hub' between sectors, and thus getting interesting people thru all the time---simply didn't have the same appeal.  I preferred Voyager, and its hook: to get home.  And, I personally could have stood more of Enterprise.

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Other news for Classic Trek fans is that Leonard Nimoy has let slip that he and The Shat have been approached to appear in the new Trek film. Probably at the beginning of the film before it cuts to the action proper.

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I'm a huge OS fan, there was anticipation those long ago sunday afternoons on the armed forces network, awaiting the weekly episode as a kid. The rest had entertainment, but no where near the chemistry of the original crew. In the old days I'd have to wait an entire week, but around 98 or so the Sci_Fi channel aired them all again, with first Shatner then Nimoy narrating, with all sorts of guest stars reflecting the memories. A great fun every weeknight for three months straight. Let me tell you, I recorded each and every one. Tell me that's not fandom.;)

As for newer effects, well, I guess I've mellowed in that regard, not too long ago I'd probably have thrown a fit.

My only regret is I missed the Shatner roast on comedy central. That would have been much fun!

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words wrote:

Other news for Classic Trek fans is that Leonard Nimoy has let slip that he and The Shat have been approached to appear in the new Trek film. Probably at the beginning of the film before it cuts to the action proper.

Also of interest is Nimoy's assertion that he has final casting approval for any actor chosen to play Spock. Given their "favored nations" contract, one can only assume that Shatner has similar powers with Kirk.

I'd love to see Shatner and Nimoy bookend any new movie. They're obviously too old to carry the film but their participation would be a nice nostalgic touch for old-school fans like myself. I'd also love to see Shatner's death from Generations undone somehow; I always found that a tacky stunt event and felt the character deserved better.

As for the newly remastered HD Classic Trek, you all may want to check out the DS9 episode Trials and Tribbleations (wherein the crew goes back in time to the events of The Trouble With Tribbles) to get a taste of what we can expect. That episode cleverly mixed footage from the old show with new and more detailed FX.

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So does that mean all of the other shows are going to be rereleased with HD quality and enhancements too?  If so I may want to hold off on buying any now.

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jbforever05 wrote:

So does that mean all of the other shows are going to be rereleased with HD quality and enhancements too?  If so I may want to hold off on buying any now.

No announcements have made as to the other shows. As Klaus mentioned above, giving the original Trek the HD/CGI treatment is at least partly due to the new movie being developed by JJ Abrams. Also, the FX on the other shows aren't nearly as dated as on the original series.

Also, IMHO, the original series (and to a lesser extent TNG) are the only Trek shows that have shown any significant lasting appeal after their original runs. The other shows quickly dropped off the radar.

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TonyDP wrote:
words wrote:

Other news for Classic Trek fans is that Leonard Nimoy has let slip that he and The Shat have been approached to appear in the new Trek film. Probably at the beginning of the film before it cuts to the action proper.

Also of interest is Nimoy's assertion that he has final casting approval for any actor chosen to play Spock. Given their "favored nations" contract, one can only assume that Shatner has similar powers with Kirk.

I'd love to see Shatner and Nimoy bookend any new movie. They're obviously too old to carry the film but their participation would be a nice nostalgic touch for old-school fans like myself. I'd also love to see Shatner's death from Generations undone somehow; I always found that a tacky stunt event and felt the character deserved better.
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Absolutely agree with you on the subject of Kirk's death scene. It was no where near spectacular or dramatic enough. I found it depressing for all the wrong reasons!

Compare it to the emotional overload that was Spock's death in Wrath of Khan and it just looks so poor.

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I own all three seasons of Classic Trek on DVD already; nice as these new ones might be, I'll be watching the crappy 60's FX in my home for years to come...

I, too, would gladly see Kirk and Spock have a moment or two in the twilight...

BTW---Damon is Kirk, if I'm right...who's Spock?

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Loeffelholz wrote:

I own all three seasons of Classic Trek on DVD already; nice as these new ones might be, I'll be watching the crappy 60's FX in my home for years to come...

I, too, would gladly see Kirk and Spock have a moment or two in the twilight...

BTW---Damon is Kirk, if I'm right...who's Spock?

I think the Matt Damon thing is still only a rumor. As far as I know, they're still hammering out a script. I honestly don't think we'll get any solid casting news for a few months at least.

I also own all the original shows on DVD, and I'd never part with them. But given my love of that old show, I'll probably break down and buy them all over again.

Now, as for the ultimate Classic Trek collectible, how about this (drools)...


http://masterreplicas.com/customer/star … p?pid=8642

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TonyDP wrote:
Loeffelholz wrote:

I own all three seasons of Classic Trek on DVD already; nice as these new ones might be, I'll be watching the crappy 60's FX in my home for years to come...

I, too, would gladly see Kirk and Spock have a moment or two in the twilight...

BTW---Damon is Kirk, if I'm right...who's Spock?

I think the Matt Damon thing is still only a rumor. As far as I know, they're still hammering out a script. I honestly don't think we'll get any solid casting news for a few months at least.

I also own all the original shows on DVD, and I'd never part with them. But given my love of that old show, I'll probably break down and buy them all over again.

Now, as for the ultimate Classic Trek collectible, how about this (drools)...


http://masterreplicas.com/customer/star … p?pid=8642

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Good to hear casting's still in the rumour stage... ajb007/smile

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The new remastered Trek episodes started airing this weekend (syndication only, no cable or satellite channels yet); first up was Balance of Terror. My local channel broadcast it at 3:00am; needless to day I had my dvd burner do a timer recording and watched it this morning.

Overall, I enjoyed it immensely. TOS was always my favorite iteration and the enhanced effects were a nice improvement without drawing attention away from the story. I was a bit taken aback at how subtle they were at first (very few new angles, little additional detail on the models) but overall they do fit organically into the show and provide a nice bit of new eye candy.

My biggests gripes concern the edits made to accomodate all the commercials. This is business as usual for commercial television but several scenes were truncated severely or cut out entirely.

It's also unfortunate that this new remastered edition is only available for syndication. Most channels seem to be airing it in the wee hours of the morning and you really have to go out of your way to find and watch it. Making it available to cable/satellite outlets would defnitely get the word out more.

But in the end, it left me wanting to see more and that's always a sign that they did a good job. I really look forward to their eventual release on DVD so that I can enjoy them properly and uncut.

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TonyDP wrote:

The new remastered Trek episodes started airing this weekend (syndication only, no cable or satellite channels yet); first up was Balance of Terror. My local channel broadcast it at 3:00am; needless to day I had my dvd burner do a timer recording and watched it this morning.

Overall, I enjoyed it immensely. TOS was always my favorite iteration and the enhanced effects were a nice improvement without drawing attention away from the story. I was a bit taken aback at how subtle they were at first (very few new angles, little additional detail on the models) but overall they do fit organically into the show and provide a nice bit of new eye candy.

My biggests gripes concern the edits made to accomodate all the commercials. This is business as usual for commercial television but several scenes were truncated severely or cut out entirely.

It's also unfortunate that this new remastered edition is only available for syndication. Most channels seem to be airing it in the wee hours of the morning and you really have to go out of your way to find and watch it. Making it available to cable/satellite outlets would defnitely get the word out more.

But in the end, it left me wanting to see more and that's always a sign that they did a good job. I really look forward to their eventual release on DVD so that I can enjoy them properly and uncut.

Sounds pretty cool, and I feel your pain when it comes to syndicated tv. One question, you say the enhancements were subtle, how did they handle the approaching Romulan blasts for this episode. Were they bigger, brighter, sharper?

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Alex wrote:

Sounds pretty cool, and I feel your pain when it comes to syndicated tv. One question, you say the enhancements were subtle, how did they handle the approaching Romulan blasts for this episode. Were they bigger, brighter, sharper?

They were definitely different. The blasts were a pinkish/reddish colored ball of gas with yellow streaks of lightning thru it, giving it a more 3 dimensional look. When the Romulan ship fires on the Enterprise and Sulu says it's dissipating, you can see it gradually become more and more transparent. So in that respect, it's appearance more closely follows the dialog.

Another standout segment was the section where the Romulan ship and the Enterprise pass thru the comet. Now it actually looks like a comet, complete with material spraying out from the back.

There was also a neat shot of the top of the Romulan ship during one of its flybys where you could make out the deck plates. And when the Romulans try to destroy the Enterprise with the self-destruct atomic warhead, there's a nice shot of the Enterprise slowly rotating in space, which replaces the old static shot of it tipped to one side.

The FX are nice and very similar in composition to their original counterparts; they don't hit you over the head with their newness except for a slightly different angle here and there and a little more detail.

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Here's a page with some before and after shots from Balance of Terror, the first episode to receive a facelift:


http://trekmovie.com/2006/09/17/balance … and-after/

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Those pics are great. I look forward to the day these episodes are available on DVD! Although I'm a bit concerned by the 'BEFORE/AFTER' pics of Spock. Did they change the hue of his skin? I like the subtle pale effect he had as a Vulcan. You actually thought he really had green blood.

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