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Remington wrote:

As much as I love GE, this film, apart from some of the robo   Brexit , sounds pretty good.  ajb007/martini

As much as I would love there to be another Dalton film, I believe that based on his tenure already that it would've performed poorly and been poorly received in the same manner as LTK - even if it was a better film. Furthering the decline of Bond that began with AVTAK...

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Personally I think that had LTK been released in November, been marketed better, and not been given a 15 certificate in the UK, that it would have been more successful.

Apparently, they were going to address some of these issues with Bond 17. MGW said the planned release date was set for late 1991. My guess is that they would've shot up the advertising, and go for a lighter tone in order to not alienate the audience.

And I think Dalton would've been more accepted as he went on. He just needed to lighten up and have a better haircut. ajb007/lol

But of course we'll never know.
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Remington wrote:

But of course we'll never know.

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Remington wrote:

According to Some Kind of Hero, there was a full screenplay written by MGW, Alphonse ruggiero jr, William Osborne, and William Davies.

It was to be set in England, Las Vegas, Vancouver, mainland China, and Hong Kong. There were elements of GoldenEye in it. The PTS shows Bond hang gliding and infiltrating a facility in Libya.

It also featured a stealth fighter, called the Scimitar, developed by the British and worth billions in arms sales to the economy. It is stolen while on exercise with the US Navy. Bond is sent to track it down. It is to be used to launch an undetectable nuclear attack on China, causing regime change, allowing General Han to take over. Han will then grant Hong Kong to Sir Henry Lee Ching.

On a side note, Q Branch was to be shut down by Nigel Yupland and Moneypenny is engaged.

There are other elements from the Bond 17 draft. Thats about all of GE that was used. Of course, i cant be certain.

So until the film was delayed, China was undoubtedly going to be the setting.

As much as I love GE, this film, apart from some of the robo   Brexit , sounds pretty good.  ajb007/martini

Sounds like this had the potential to be a very good film. Pity it was never filmed.

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Oh dear God!!  ajb007/mad

President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

-------Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!------

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DEFIANT 74205 wrote:
Remington wrote:

According to Some Kind of Hero, there was a full screenplay written by MGW, Alphonse ruggiero jr, William Osborne, and William Davies.

It was to be set in England, Las Vegas, Vancouver, mainland China, and Hong Kong. There were elements of GoldenEye in it. The PTS shows Bond hang gliding and infiltrating a facility in Libya.

It also featured a stealth fighter, called the Scimitar, developed by the British and worth billions in arms sales to the economy. It is stolen while on exercise with the US Navy. Bond is sent to track it down. It is to be used to launch an undetectable nuclear attack on China, causing regime change, allowing General Han to take over. Han will then grant Hong Kong to Sir Henry Lee Ching.

On a side note, Q Branch was to be shut down by Nigel Yupland and Moneypenny is engaged.

There are other elements from the Bond 17 draft. Thats about all of GE that was used. Of course, i cant be certain.

So until the film was delayed, China was undoubtedly going to be the setting.

As much as I love GE, this film, apart from some of the robo   Brexit , sounds pretty good.  ajb007/martini

Sounds like this had the potential to be a very good film. Pity it was never filmed.

I'm sorry, but that just sounds awful. GoldenEye is far from perfect, but it's a lot better than this sounds.

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Higgins wrote:

Oh dear God!!  ajb007/mad

What took you so long Higgy ajb007/lol  ajb007/martini

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the name is HIGGINS!  ajb007/mad

President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

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Higgins wrote:

the name is HIGGINS!  ajb007/mad

From one PI fan to another, my apologies.
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Matt S wrote:
DEFIANT 74205 wrote:
Remington wrote:

According to Some Kind of Hero, there was a full screenplay written by MGW, Alphonse ruggiero jr, William Osborne, and William Davies.

It was to be set in England, Las Vegas, Vancouver, mainland China, and Hong Kong. There were elements of GoldenEye in it. The PTS shows Bond hang gliding and infiltrating a facility in Libya.

It also featured a stealth fighter, called the Scimitar, developed by the British and worth billions in arms sales to the economy. It is stolen while on exercise with the US Navy. Bond is sent to track it down. It is to be used to launch an undetectable nuclear attack on China, causing regime change, allowing General Han to take over. Han will then grant Hong Kong to Sir Henry Lee Ching.

On a side note, Q Branch was to be shut down by Nigel Yupland and Moneypenny is engaged.

There are other elements from the Bond 17 draft. Thats about all of GE that was used. Of course, i cant be certain.

So until the film was delayed, China was undoubtedly going to be the setting.

As much as I love GE, this film, apart from some of the robo   Brexit , sounds pretty good.  ajb007/martini

Sounds like this had the potential to be a very good film. Pity it was never filmed.

I'm sorry, but that just sounds awful. GoldenEye is far from perfect, but it's a lot better than this sounds.

It doesn't sound awfully at all.  Shame it was never made.

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Number24 wrote:
Matt S wrote:
DEFIANT 74205 wrote:

Sounds like this had the potential to be a very good film. Pity it was never filmed.

I'm sorry, but that just sounds awful. GoldenEye is far from perfect, but it's a lot better than this sounds.

It doesn't sound awfully at all.  Shame it was never made.

Reusing Las Vegas and "Q Branch was to be shut down by Nigel Yupland and Moneypenny is engaged" are terrible ideas.

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Matt S wrote:
Number24 wrote:
Matt S wrote:

I'm sorry, but that just sounds awful. GoldenEye is far from perfect, but it's a lot better than this sounds.

It doesn't sound awfully at all.  Shame it was never made.

Reusing Las Vegas and "Q Branch was to be shut down by Nigel Yupland and Moneypenny is engaged" are terrible ideas.

Vegas would have played a VERY small role. In the book it says the Kohoni Brothers were replaced by Vegas gangsters, the Vinelli Brothers. I dont know why they didn't just use the Spang Bros.

"Set pieces include a monster truck chase, literally, through the streets of Las Vegas, a fight with female body builders, a white water rafting seduction sequence, a fight on a rodeo, a raid on a secret arms depot inside the Hoover Dam, a car chase between Bond's classic gadget laden Aston Martin DB5 and the villains similarly equipped vehicle, and a full scale assault on a weaponised building. Bond meets a range of interesting characters including a gay assistant called Jennings, a mysterious, Boba Fett-esque henchperson named Rodin, and an old school avuncular Hong Kong agent called Denholm Crisp."

So a bit of a mixed bag. It takes some of my favorite elements from the Bond 17 treatment. These include Hong Kong, Sir Henry, ski scenes, a slightly larger role for Q, and the sequence where Rodin liquidates the Kohoni Bros.
I aint too sure about the rodeo and bodybuilders. Thats a little too DAF.

Personally i would've proffered a more grounded version of the Bond 17 treatment without the robo   Brexit . With the right director, Im thinking John McTiernan, it mightve been Daltons YOLT or TSWLM.

Does sound like it goes into self parody a bit.

Still I wouldn't have wanted it if we lost GE in the process. ajb007/martini

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The script was sold. There were 6 pages revealed.

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But no one has yet mentioned that Matthew Field and Ajay Chowdhury loved the script, writing that it "would have made a terrific film for Timothy Dalton" and "secured Dalton's tenure as Bond and perfectly positioned 007 in the post-Cold War age."

I think the script sounds like a lot of fun, and since I never liked GOLDENEYE (or Brosnan) I would have been happy if the Davies/Osbourne project took its place.

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philpog wrote:

But no one has yet mentioned that Matthew Field and Ajay Chowdhury loved the script, writing that it "would have made a terrific film for Timothy Dalton" and "secured Dalton's tenure as Bond and perfectly positioned 007 in the post-Cold War age."

I think the script sounds like a lot of fun, and since I never liked GOLDENEYE (or Brosnan) I would have been happy if the Davies/Osbourne project took its place.

You're correct my friend. I'd really love to read the whole script. Even though i love LTK,  a more fun movie would've been welcome.

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I don't have any idea, nor do I want to guess what the plot would have been for The Property Of A Lady. The fact is, I strongly believe that had it been made and released, it would have been the Skyfall of the Timothy Dalton era, to the point where almost everyone is in favour of the movie. I am also quite sure people's opinions about Dalton would have been much higher had he had a third performance.

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Imo quite the opposite.

The fact, that he only did 2 movies, which did not go well with large parts of the audience contributes to Dalton's favour now that that era is over for decades.

If he really did one or 2 movies more, the negative impact of his lack of popularity would have remained stronger. He just benefits from a kind of  James Dean Effect and that only among a small group of diehards.

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Higgins wrote:

Imo quite the opposite.

The fact, that he only did 2 movies, which did not go well with large parts of the audience contributes to Dalton's favour now that that era is over for decades.

If he really did one or 2 movies more, the negative impact of his lack of popularity would have remained stronger. He just benefits from a kind of  James Dean Effect and that only among a small group of diehards.

Hmm, I respectfully disagree. Timothy Dalton's two films were received well to some, with the latter being disappointing to the eyes of many. However, with Daniel Craig, Casino Royale is so high on the rankings of the majority, but Quantum Of Solace in my eyes is worse than The Living Daylights and Licence To Kill put together, that I personally can't help but think that Dalton only could have gone up, even a little.

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Your theory has two weak points:

1. Dalton's approval was also bad for TLD.
Not as disastrous as LTK (in which he meant to be more down to earth and more hard-edged btw) but far from the expectations in him as a new Bond.

I can understand that people welcome a contrast to the more light-hearted Moore flicks, but that does not necessarily mean a better movie per se  ajb007/wink

2. The criticism about QoS was hardly about the main actor's performance or the acceptance of him with the audience.
People massively complained about the cutting and editing - and in my opinion rightly so

.....and I don't even want to think about the title song  ajb007/rolleyes

Last edited by Higgins (6th May 2017 11:56)

President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.

-------Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!------

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Higgins wrote:

Your theory has two weak points:

1. Dalton's approval was also bad for TLD.
Not as disastrous as LTK (in which he meant to be more down to earth and more hard-edged btw) but far from the expectations in him as a new Bond.

I can understand that people welcome a contrast to the more light-hearted Moore flicks, but that does not necessarily mean a better movie per se  ajb007/wink

2. The criticism about QoS was hardly about the main actor's performance or the acceptance of him with the audience.
People massively complained about the cutting and editing - and in my opinion rightly so

.....and I don't even want to think about the title song  ajb007/rolleyes

Just forget it then. I was clearly wrong, and Timothy Dalton's Bond films received negative reviews from critics and fans.

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Dalton was a fantastic Bond and gave us two great films, LTK being one of my all time favorites.  ajb007/martini

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Thunderpussy wrote:

Dalton was a fantastic Bond and gave us two great films, LTK being one of my all time favorites.  ajb007/martini


What he said  ajb007/bond

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Number24 wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:

Dalton was a fantastic Bond and gave us two great films, LTK being one of my all time favorites.  ajb007/martini


What he said  ajb007/bond

What he said  ajb007/bond

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Hello everyone
Can anyone transcribe everything that is said about "Bond 17" in the books "The Making of the Living Daylights" and "The James Bond Archives"?

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Hello karr007, and welcome to AJB.

Please have a look at https://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/45180/in … the-forum/