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Watched it yet again last night.  Quantum of Solace is a solidly good movie, but sandwiched between CR and SF, “good” seems disappointing.  It’s disappointing mainly because it has all the ingredients to be great.  To me, it suffers for two reasons: 1) the writers’ strike forced production to start with a first draft of the script, and it feels like it; the script needs to be fleshed out, the story better developed, the pathos of the villains better explored.  And 2) Marc Forster for some reason decided this movie needed to be edited like a Bourne film, so all the action setpieces look like they’re put through a blender.  That’s too bad because there is some GREAT action underneath; if only it were re-edited (perhaps by Stuart Baird?) it would be so much better. 

QoS is a solid 3 stars out of four, whereas CR and SF are both 4 stars (in my opinion).  It’s just a shame to me that QoS could have easily been 3 ½ or 4 if the script had more time to develop and the action weren’t chopped to shreds.

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PDJamesBond wrote:

Watched it yet again last night.  Quantum of Solace is a solidly good movie, but sandwiched between CR and SF, “good” seems disappointing.  It’s disappointing mainly because it has all the ingredients to be great.  To me, it suffers for two reasons: 1) the writers’ strike forced production to start with a first draft of the script, and it feels like it; the script needs to be fleshed out, the story better developed, the pathos of the villains better explored.  And 2) Marc Forster for some reason decided this movie needed to be edited like a Bourne film, so all the action setpieces look like they’re put through a blender.  That’s too bad because there is some GREAT action underneath; if only it were re-edited (perhaps by Stuart Baird?) it would be so much better. 

QoS is a solid 3 stars out of four, whereas CR and SF are both 4 stars (in my opinion).  It’s just a shame to me that QoS could have easily been 3 ½ or 4 if the script had more time to develop and the action weren’t chopped to shreds.

+1

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Very good review PDJamesBond.  ajb007/cheers
( even if you don't think Bond can ice skate  ajb007/tongue  )  ajb007/lol

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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Cheers, TP  ajb007/biggrin

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My day off today, so I just watched QOS. Holy crap, every single time I watch this movie I like it better than the last time. Wherever I had it on my list it has just moved up (again). This is so my favourite Bond of this century. I don't even notice the shaky-cam any more because I know just what I want to look at by now. Damn I love this flick.

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My thoughts.  I watched it recently and liked it. 

It did face the big challenge of coming after Casino Royale (2006), which had set high expectations for fans.

Many people rank Quantum of Solace as one of the worst films in the series.  It may not reach the heights that many of the other films in the series have, but I wouldn't call it a bad film by any means.  I was expecting the movie, based on a lot of the criticism, to be bad but I enjoyed it in my first viewing.

It lacks gadgets.  Greene (the villain) is a normal person who lacks eccentricies.  It is a revenge story, but despite Bond's personal agenda, I'd still say it was more than just a personal vendetta.  QoS handled complex themes such as Latin American politics, corruption, monopolies and the concept of being a lesser evil in foreign policy. 

Maybe it didn't handle these ideas as profoundly as it wanted to, but I give it props for trying.  The fast-paced editing with constant changes of camera angles for action scenes made me a little dizzy sometimes.

QoS may not be the greatest film in the series, but I don't hate it either.  It has its merits.  If there are ~20 better movies in the franchise than QoS, then James Bond is a really good franchise!

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It lacks the depth of CR. The theme song is terrible*. The villain is weak, his henchman even more so. The editing is distracting and unclear.

I love it and have enjoyed watching it maybe 20 times.  ajb007/biggrin It has many strengths but that's not the point being addressed here.


*Paging Sir Miles: red rag being waved....

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Barbel wrote:

It lacks the depth of CR.

And that's the issue right there.

Royale came after Die Another Day, surpassing low standards.

Quantum came after Royale, failing to meet such high standards.

Skyfall came after Quantum, easily passing over the hate.

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:

I'm curious as to what makes the film bad.

And that's the question being answered.

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QoS is CR's coda....for me they are part of the same film....and I still struggle to understand why people dislike the theme tune...it's one of the best of the entire series...

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After many years and many viewings, I too have come to that
Conclusion.  ( took me a bit longer, as I'm a bit thick)   ajb007/lol
As many members tried to explain it to me. Over months.  ajb007/biggrin
Except for the theme tune which isn't the best, although fun
To listen to while driving.

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Sir Miles wrote:

QoS is CR's coda....for me they are part of the same film....and I still struggle to understand why people dislike the theme tune...it's one of the best of the entire series...

I give it props for uniqueness.  It has elements of rock, R&B and a rap-like flow, with a minimalist but still distinct instrumental.  If I had to rank the Bond themes in categories, it would rank very high in the "willingness to take risks" category.

And this is probably the problem some people have with it.  They're used to Bond themes being soulful, like Skyfall or Goldfinger that they tend to be closed-minded toward things that have a little more dissonance.

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:

closed-minded toward things that have a little more dissonance

That's precisely my problem with the theme song. It's all dissonance and no melody. Call me old-fashioned (everybody else around here does!), but I like a song where the voices and instruments blend together to create a memorable melody that one can follow. "Another Way to Die" doesn't fill the bill for me. This coming from someone who actually likes Madonna's theme for Die Another Day, so go figure! ajb007/lol

"Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."

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Blackleiter wrote:

This coming from someone who actually likes Madonna's theme for Die Another Day, so go figure! ajb007/lol

Dude, you and & are too old to like techno. Why do we like that song? ajb007/confused

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chrisisall wrote:
Blackleiter wrote:

This coming from someone who actually likes Madonna's theme for Die Another Day, so go figure! ajb007/lol

Dude, you and & are too old to like techno. Why do we like that song? ajb007/confused

What can I say? It's catchy! ajb007/lol

"Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:

And this is probably the problem some people have with it.  They're used to Bond themes being soulful, like Skyfall or Goldfinger that they tend to be closed-minded toward things that have a little more dissonance.

As I said before: is that the only explanation you can think of?
People who do not share your opinion, be it of Sean Connery or "Another Way To Die" have closed minds?
Please, try and see that there are other possible explanations for people's choices and preferences.

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Listing to "Another Way To Die", the best way is with closed ears !  ajb007/lol
( It's not that bad really  ajb007/wink  )

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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Thunderpussy wrote:

Listing to "Another Way To Die", the best way is with closed ears !  ajb007/lol
( It's not that bad really  ajb007/wink  )

Better than "All Time High", if you ask me!

"Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."

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Blackleiter wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:

Listing to "Another Way To Die", the best way is with closed ears !  ajb007/lol
( It's not that bad really  ajb007/wink  )

Better than "All Time High", if you ask me!

More agreement. ajb007/martini

Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool. Craig is too.
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It gets better every time I watch it.

Found the theme song catchy and pretty decent.
Love the opening car chase and the edgy camera work - brings a realism to what is happening IMO.

My only slight "niggle" would be that I would like to have seen more of Greene and had his character developed a little bit more ... however that's merely splitting at hairs and as such didn't detract in any way from my enjoyment of it when I 1st saw it, let alone after the umpteenth viewing!

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I agree Greene was under used, he had potential.  ajb007/martini

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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Thunderpussy wrote:

I agree Greene was under used, he had potential.  ajb007/martini

He certainly had serious potential ... he had that look in his eyes, along with certain mannerisms!

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Yes, his story about breaking the fingers of a piano student. Left
You in no doubt he was a little unhinged  ajb007/lol  I would have loved to
See more of him  ajb007/martini
  Sadly with the writers strike, I think we got the best they could do
At the time, shame.  Good actor  playing a good villain, could have
Been great.  ajb007/cheers

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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Absolutely agree TP!  ajb007/martini

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Some additional observations about Quantum of Solace:

The Name of the Movie

Quantum of Solace means "amount of comfort", which doesn't really go with the theme of the film much.  I know some are critical about the name, since it was just made up last-minute.  They could have chosen "Another Way to Die", from the song, and it would fit more at home.  But at the same time, a lot of the Bond titles sound too similar to each other ; they're either a catch-phrase (about time or death) or the name of the villain.  Quantum of Solace is a unique name, I'll give them that.

The Pacing

The film ended in a flash, but considering how much Casino Royale set up, there was no need for a lengthy introduction of any kind.  The pacing is fluid and the movie never slows down.  At the same time, some of the action scenes were heavily edited and constant change in camera angles doesn't let the viewer get a good sense of the whole area/locale as a whole, but rather just where the gun is, where Bond is and where the cars are.  The opening scene disoriented me a bit.  There's a way to build a sense of speed and adrenaline rush but not this way.  Compared to Casino Royale and Skyfall's amazing openers, QoS' opening fails hard.

The Villain

Greene was a totally normal human being, corrupt with power.  No funny idiosyncrasies.  No scars on his face.  A new story for 007 meant the potential to take James Bond out of the Cold War mentality.  The older movies represented the political paradigms of their time ; The west being a force of absolute good and Russia being a force of absolute evil.  In QoS, the story goes well beyond just being a revenge story for Bond.  Nobody is a hero.  The communists, right-wing rebels, American defense agencies, British defense agencies and numerous different private entities all have their share of corruption in this movie.

Dark Gritty Realism

Many of the Bond movies have been comic-book-ish and tongue in cheek.  Bond, in other movies, kills for his job, but his main drive is leisure and style.  In this movie, Bond is a cold-blooded killer, with one of the highest death tallies, suiting Craig well.  Quantum of Solace takes itself seriously and tries to tackle on a lot of political issues.  In some ways, it could be some political wish-fulfillment for liberal environmentalists.  The young idealist in me did resonate with some of it, but maybe 007 isn't the best film franchise for this.  Or, on the other hand, it might be a good change of pace.  Not all Bond films have to follow the "girls, martinis and gadgets" mantra, so I praise QoS for challenging the formula a bit.  Do I want more Bond movies to be a political soap opera?  No, but that's what also makes QoS unique.

Oil and Water vs. Gold

QoS is in many ways is a reaction to Goldfinger.  Goldfinger paints his killed victims in gold.  In this movie, Greene kills his victims by drowning them in oil.  In the 21st century, oil is the new gold.  While Goldfinger hoards gold to manipulate the hard-money market, Greene's ambitions of cornering water were even scarier.  We think in terms of gun control and how a society without guns would be totally submissive to a dictator.  What about our water supply?  Clean water is a necessity of life and without it, one would die in just a few days.  I hear lots of people say "All Bond needed to do was report Greene to the Latin American Commerce commission and be done".  It made me laugh, but at the same time, the implication of the movies go deep.  Since corruption in QoS is ubiquitous, who's to say Bolivia was the only country in trouble?