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Wint and Kidd far-out wrote:

Okay so it's been a long time since I've actually watched any of the Bonds I admit. I forget all the details. I should buy the DVDs soon.

Lesson learned. Now go to your room !

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Hardyboy wrote:
Wint and Kidd far-out wrote:

For me the biggest villian foul up is when Bond is chained to the chair with the laser in Goldfinger. There was absolutely no way at all for him to escape. Not even any special Q-Branch gadgetry to free him that we would have come to expect in later films.

Fair enough I suppose Goldfinger may have been persuaded not to kill him out of fear Bond knew something about Operation Grand Slam. But afterwards he mostly just kept the secret agent locked up instead of having OddJob and his other henchmen torture him to find out how much he actually knew and whether he had passed any vital information about the scheme on to the CIA or other agencies.

Isn't that ridiculous? HA HA HA ajb007/lol ajb007/rolleyes ajb007/tongue

No it isn't.  Goldfinger didn't give a hang what Bond knew--he kept him alive and relatively healthy SOLELY for the purpose of convincing snooping agents (like Felix and his KFC-lovin' buddy) that Bond was on the job and didn't need any help.

Exactly. He was worried about what information Bond knew, whilst Bond was strapped to the laser which is why he didn't kill him; by the time Bond was safely held captive on his property, however, it was too late and Goldfinger ceased to worry about what Bond knew. Plus, the fact that Bond did find out all about the plan simply stroked his ego.

Hardyboy wrote:

Never diss Goldfinger when I'm around!

ajb007/cheers Why aren't you partaking in the elimination game? ajb007/crap ajb007/wink

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"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman

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The Cat wrote:

Blofeld shooting Osato instead  of Bond. That's just some lazy writing there. I can't even think of a reason why he'd do that (and I'm sure someone will come up with something).

Perhaps Blofeld used this as a cunning way to kill Osato for failure by implicating that Bond failed. He resisted killing Bond, for a short time anyway, possibly (thus killing two birds with one stone) assuming that Bond would be killed when the volcano base blows up.

Its a bit like the scene in TWINE where Renard kills the man who pioneered the parahawk attack on Bond and Electra and failed, but leads him on by accusing Davidoff of failure, firstly punishing him by putting a scalding rock into his hand (though that would make it a burning rock), thus putting salt in Davidoff's wounds as it were, but when it comes round to finally shooting him, he shoots the other guy on the grounds of incompetance.

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Rick Roberts wrote:

Dumbest villian moment of all had to be when Elliot Carver didn't shoot Bond when he had the chance. At that point Bond already ruined his plans , why make some speech about making an escape ? Just shoot the guy for god's sake. I think Johnthan Pyrce did comment about how stupid that scene was.

I think this was merely a prelude to Bond's witty response 'I may have some groundbreaking news for you, Elliot!'. It's all dramatic effect, really, and anchors the tension before Carver gets sliced and diced, which is a most excellent scene- one of the best scenes of recent Bonds. His death is effective without the need to be gory, in the great tradition of Bond.

Elliot's line in that speech, 'It's gonna be a fantastic show...', provides such an ideal tail-end to the TV trails for when TND is ever reshown on TV!

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I think another for FYEO, is at the beginning when Blofeld traps Bond in the helicopter. Instead of ridding himself of Bond once and for all by crashing the helicopter into a building or something, he waits until Bond takes control and kills him. I find it quite stupid of him.

Blofeld says as he lies in hell, "Hey every other person who f***** up their chance to kill Bond, I finally had the man and ready to kill, but instead of actually following through, I made a crappy pun, 'You are now flying in momote control airways Mr Bond!' And then I was thrown down a chimney. Ha ha ha!"

Good scene, but bad set up for it.

"Oh look! Parachutes for the both of us! Whoops, not anymore!"
"You see Mr Bond. You can't kill my dreams. But my dreams can kill you!"
"Time to face destiny."
                                         -Gaustav Graves in Die Another Day-

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Ask Dr No wrote:

You are now flying in momote control airways Mr Bond!' And then I was thrown down a chimney. Ha ha ha!

I'm guessing that was a typo, since the correct quote is "remote control airways".

(what the heck is a "momote", a Mormon's revenge?)

My choice here would be Elliot Carver's ten year-old kung fu outburst - What in Bond's dirty wardrobe did I just witness? ajb007/amazed

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Ask Dr No wrote:

I think another for FYEO, is at the beginning when Blofeld traps Bond in the helicopter. Instead of ridding himself of Bond once and for all by crashing the helicopter into a building or something, he waits until Bond takes control and kills him. I find it quite stupid of him.

Blofeld says as he lies in hell, "Hey every other person who f***** up their chance to kill Bond, I finally had the man and ready to kill, but instead of actually following through, I made a crappy pun, 'You are now flying in momote control airways Mr Bond!' And then I was thrown down a chimney. Ha ha ha!"

Good scene, but bad set up for it.

Blofeld really knew what he was doing however. Giving Bond a very hard time. It's obvious that he was treating Bond in much the same way as a cat would torment a mouse before finally eating it. Unfortunately for him he never anticipated that Bond would be able to disable the remote controls just before the crucial moment.

Roger Moore is my favourite 007 R.I.P.

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Wint and Kidd far-out wrote:
Ask Dr No wrote:

I think another for FYEO, is at the beginning when Blofeld traps Bond in the helicopter. Instead of ridding himself of Bond once and for all by crashing the helicopter into a building or something, he waits until Bond takes control and kills him. I find it quite stupid of him.

Blofeld says as he lies in hell, "Hey every other person who f***** up their chance to kill Bond, I finally had the man and ready to kill, but instead of actually following through, I made a crappy pun, 'You are now flying in momote control airways Mr Bond!' And then I was thrown down a chimney. Ha ha ha!"

Good scene, but bad set up for it.

Blofeld really knew what he was doing however. Giving Bond a very hard time. It's obvious that he was treating Bond in much the same way as a cat would torment a mouse before finally eating it. Unfortunately for him he never anticipated that Bond would be able to disable the remote controls just before the crucial moment.

And that is the classic Bond villian's mistake. They are so egocentric, that they perceieve they are invincible. They want to toy with Bond, when really they should just send a sniper. If they can find Bond, then they can kill Bond, it's as simple as that. But they want more, they want to dominate and destroy Bond's self-worth, grind him down and have him beg for mercy.

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With no offence and all due respect to Hardyboy, I still can't help but feel that some of this characteristic egocentricity must exist somewhere in the case I made previously about Goldfinger.

All Bond villains are naive and stupid and surely Goldfinger is no exception. Otherwise his Operation Grand Slam scheme would have been a spectacular success and the Bond movie series would have ended with his termination in the third installment.

Roger Moore is my favourite 007 R.I.P.

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Stupidest error by far has to be Helga's in "You Only Live Twice". She has Bond tied up in her cabin on the "Ning-Po" and can kill him and dispose of the body without anyone knowing. Instead, once he claims to be an industrial spy, she frees him, takes him to her aeroplane and then bales out, leaving him to crash. Why destroy a perfectly good aeroplane, create a spectacle that can be seen for miles around and still not be 100% sure that Bond is dead?

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For a shag.

"This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

Roger Moore 1927-2017

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Manxman wrote:

Why destroy a perfectly good aeroplane, create a spectacle that can be seen for miles around and still not be 100% sure that Bond is dead?

It's been a while since I saw YOLT, but perhaps she (and SPECTRE) wanted Bond to suffer. When he revealed himself to be a spy, she probably decided that a spectacular and painful death was more appropiate than merely killing him quietly and (relatively) painlessly.

"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman

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How about the fact that Zorin chose to attack Bond with an axe on the Golden Gate Bridge in the first place?

Why didn't he get a gun instead to pick him and Stacey off instead of needlessly risking his own life?

Roger Moore is my favourite 007 R.I.P.

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I think the biggest screw up goes to Mortner in AVTAK. Not only did he fail to kill Bond, he killed himself and Scarpine! Honestly, who lights dynamite in a zepplin?

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Anothe one from FYEO.

As Bond is climbing up to st. Cyrils, one of the henchmen discovers his rope.

So what does he do?

A) Raise the alarm and let people know they are under attack?
Cut the rope.
C) Climb down himself and use his gun not to shoot, but to try and smash the pitons loose from the rocks.

ajb007/insane  Some real villain **** ups to be sure.  Well I've given myself over a year to think about it, and I'm awarding the above post as the winner!  Thanks for all the suggestions...I did have a good laugh at many of them.

Congratulations Mr White...

I still think there's some more out there from other films that we didn't include though.  Although ever since trying (and failing) to watch QoS for the 2nd time (thinking maybe it's an acquired taste) I haven't wanted to watch a bond film for at least a year so I've forgotten them all!

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Klebb the chambermaid with a gun on Bond. Needs him to hand over the Lektor first, then is only to kill him as goodbye. Just spent the last 20 minutes trying to kill him, just shoot! Then pick up the Lektor.

Similar when Jaws throws tracking device at Anya's feet, as if to say, go on pick it up while you have your gun on me. She should just shoot him - then pick it up.

"This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

Roger Moore 1927-2017

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Napoleon Plural wrote:

Klebb the chambermaid with a gun on Bond. Needs him to hand over the Lektor first, then is only to kill him as goodbye. Just spent the last 20 minutes trying to kill him, just shoot! Then pick up the Lektor.

Similar when Jaws throws tracking device at Anya's feet, as if to say, go on pick it up while you have your gun on me. She should just shoot him - then pick it up.

The Klebb thing I don't mind. Standard villian movie logic. As for Anya, there no need to shoot Jaws since she would have killed someone in cold blood. She's a professional and wouldn't need to kill unless she is ordered or it's absolutely nessescary. What she should have done is ordered Jaws to kick it to her.

However none of this compares to Elliot Carver. He had the gun pointed at Bond and he simply talks about his escape plan. You can't even chaulk this up to movie logic, this was just stupid. He wasn't just about to pull the trigger or anything, he just talked and talked.

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Wow! Where to start lol. There have been some fatal mistakes by pretty much all the Bond villains. You can argue that keeping Bond alive AT ALL to explain the plot to him is wrong, but hey, thats part of the fun. In terms of thinking "idiot!" when I watched them, I'm going to be controversial (sorry Mr Ricardo ajb007/biggrin )

Grant ordering Bond to "put his hands back in his pockets" and opening the second attache case. He could have let Bond do it and THEN killed him but nooooo, he thought he knew better - still a terrific scene though ajb007/smile

Goldfinger taking the gun off Bond (albeit for a second). He had his weapon trained on Bond and stupidly used it to gesture to the cockpit ajb007/tongue

In terms of, which one do I think is the most "improbable" - hard to say really.

Blofeld in YOLT comes to mind ("this is the price of failure Mr Bond") I know he was doing it to make a point but common! Talk about wasting a good opportunity.

Drax in Moonraker ("at least I shall have the pleasure of putting you out of my mysery")

JP in TND was a pretty obvious one

Maybe Alec in GE ("you know James, I was always better")

You could infact argue that SMERSH not killing Bond outright in the CR novel was a mistake. In the John Pearson JB "biography", a scenerio is set up where THAT very hitman attempts to kill Bond again in order to "correct his first mistake". What does he do? He fails AGAIN ajb007/tongue

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mrbain007 wrote:

Wow! Where to start lol.

Grant ordering Bond to "put his hands back in his pockets" and opening the second attache case. He could have let Bond do it and THEN killed him but nooooo, he thought he knew better - still a terrific scene though ajb007/smile

That's not so dumb, Bond's show of eagerness was meant to indicate that he had a gun in the case, arousing Grant's suspicions so he would insist on opening it himself.

"This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

Roger Moore 1927-2017

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Napoleon Plural wrote:
mrbain007 wrote:

Wow! Where to start lol.

Grant ordering Bond to "put his hands back in his pockets" and opening the second attache case. He could have let Bond do it and THEN killed him but nooooo, he thought he knew better - still a terrific scene though ajb007/smile

That's not so dumb, Bond's show of eagerness was meant to indicate that he had a gun in the case, arousing Grant's suspicions so he would insist on opening it himself.

Exactly. Bond wanted Grant to open that case. God I love that scene so much. ajb007/biggrin

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Ricardo C. wrote:
Napoleon Plural wrote:
mrbain007 wrote:

Wow! Where to start lol.

Grant ordering Bond to "put his hands back in his pockets" and opening the second attache case. He could have let Bond do it and THEN killed him but nooooo, he thought he knew better - still a terrific scene though ajb007/smile

That's not so dumb, Bond's show of eagerness was meant to indicate that he had a gun in the case, arousing Grant's suspicions so he would insist on opening it himself.

Exactly. Bond wanted Grant to open that case. God I love that scene so much. ajb007/biggrin


Ok I'll concede that one, but it was still a fatal mistake on Grant's part ajb007/biggrin. I too love that scene, wouldn't film it that way nowadays as people would see it as too boring.

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mrbain007 wrote:
Ricardo C. wrote:
Napoleon Plural wrote:

That's not so dumb, Bond's show of eagerness was meant to indicate that he had a gun in the case, arousing Grant's suspicions so he would insist on opening it himself.

Exactly. Bond wanted Grant to open that case. God I love that scene so much. ajb007/biggrin


Ok I'll concede that one, but it was still a fatal mistake on Grant's part ajb007/biggrin. I too love that scene, wouldn't film it that way nowadays as people would see it as too boring.

Yes of course. Grant's greed costed him his life.

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The scene I just can't believe is in Live and Let Die. Kananga has Bond at the end all tied up with Solitaire. Kananga can't stop smiling and being pleased that he's finally going to get rid of Bond. So, somehow (off screen) Kananga tells all of his guards and other people to leave the cave. I recall some were working on the drug operation as well. The one guard he keeps is Whisper! The guy no one can hear...

"Better late than never."

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If it wasn't for these moments we'd of missed out on some of the great chase and action sequences.Other Movies also Have these same moments, Indiana Jones,Star wars even Jason Bourne. Since the Movies began Heros have been put in what at first seem to be inescapable traps or Events, Only to manage to get out of them either by some word play or daring fight or other.
  In the the next Movie to Keep all the social realists happy on the forum the Villian could just shoot Bond at the PTS, It would keep costs down as It would only run about Eight minutes.
   I would much rather have a Two hour Piece of entertainment,which I can forgive some rather dubious decisions of the villian if it leads to some fantastic stunt/action sequence. ajb007/martini

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Thunderpussy wrote:

If it wasn't for these moments we'd of missed out on some of the great chase and action sequences.Other Movies also Have these same moments, Indiana Jones,Star wars even Jason Bourne. Since the Movies began Heros have been put in what at first seem to be inescapable traps or Events, Only to manage to get out of them either by some word play or daring fight or other.
  In the the next Movie to Keep all the social realists happy on the forum the Villian could just shoot Bond at the PTS, It would keep costs down as It would only run about Eight minutes.
   I would much rather have a Two hour Piece of entertainment,which I can forgive some rather dubious decisions of the villian if it leads to some fantastic stunt/action sequence. ajb007/martini

Exactly Thunderpussy ajb007/smile