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Rate the Dirty Harry series . Here is mine.

Magnum Force  1973
Dirty Harry        1971
Sudden Impact 1983 / The Enforcer 1976 
The Dead Pool 1988

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Magnum Force
Dirty Harry
The Dead Pool
Sudden Impact
The Enforcer

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Dirty Harry
Magnum Force
Sudden Impact
The Enforcer
And the one where Jim Carey lip synchs Welcome to the Jungle

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Alex wrote:

Dirty Harry
Magnum Force
Sudden Impact
The Enforcer
And the one where Jim Carey lip synchs Welcome to the Jungle


with alex on that 1

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For me, its neck and neck between Dirty Harry and Magnum Force; the former gave us Andy Robinson's disturbingly memorable Scorpio killer, while the latter had some of the best action sequences (and one-liners) of the series.

The Dead Pool falls in the middle, giving us an older (but still tough as nails Harry) and more than a little bit of humor, satire and self-parody, which worked well at this point in the franchise. Harry's partner (Al Quan) actually helps out for once and who can forget Liam Neeson's turn as red herring filmmaker Peter Swan.

Sudden Impact and The Enforcer bring up the rear. Both are pretty forgettable, featuring very weak villains and female leads that aren't particularly compelling or memorable, especially Tyne Daly.

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I'm of the opposite view. The Dead Pool fires dead cylinders, the action scenes are bland, Carey hams it up and the partner's a lame duck. The female lead was very good though. But being a hardcore fan of Appetite For Destruction which came out the previous year, I did like seeing the band, Slash firing the harpoon was pretty cool.

I think Sudden Impact is a brutal, violent, sleaze masterpiece with a fantastic performance from Sondra Locke. Just a terrific detective/slasher and the one I view the most. Rousing build up.

I didn't like the one with Cagney, (Or Lacey), but the airplane sequence is great!

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Alex wrote:

I'm of the opposite view. The Dead Pool fires dead cylinders, the action scenes are bland, Carey hams it up and the partner's a lame duck. The female lead was very good though. But being a hardcore fan of Appetite For Destruction which came out the previous year, I did like seeing the band, Slash firing the harpoon was pretty cool.

I kind of liked Jim Carrey's coked out primadonna Johnny Squares; he had a pretty memorable death scene and besides, he's only in the movie for about five minutes. Harry's various run-ins with the media are also pretty amusing and more than a little prophetic given the lengths that today's papparazzos go to to score a picture or a story.


I think Sudden Impact is a brutal, violent, sleaze masterpiece with a fantastic performance from Sondra Locke. Just a terrific detective/slasher and the one I view the most. Rousing build up.

I guess the reason Sudden Impact doesn't resonate with me all that much is because its very much Sondra Locke's story, and not Harrys (understandable since they were in a relationship at the time). It all seems more like a diversion than an actual case for Harry to solve, which in a sense it is since he was on leave for most of the movie.


I didn't like the one with Cagney, (Or Lacey), but the airplane sequence is great!

While the idea of Harry taking on homeland terrorists is an interesting one ripe for carnage, Enforcer ends up being a surprisingly tame movie for its premise. They also took the whole "out of touch politicians" to almost absurd levels in that one.  Its been a long time since I saw it but I don't remember a plane sequence; wasn't that in Magnum Force?

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TonyDP wrote:

[I kind of liked Jim Carrey's coked out primadonna Johnny Squares; he had a pretty memorable death scene and besides, he's only in the movie for about five minutes. Harry's various run-ins with the media are also pretty amusing and more than a little prophetic given the lengths that today's papparazzos go to to score a picture or a story.

That's one of the reasons I love that film; it isn't outdated at all.


TonyDP wrote:

Its been a long time since I saw it but I don't remember a plane sequence; wasn't that in Magnum Force?

It was. ajb007/biggrin

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I REVERE the Dirty Harry films. ajb007/biggrin I'm a MASSIVE Eastwood fan and the Dirty Harry series is one of my absolute favourite series. There are a few series (such as Die Hard, Terminator, *The Godfather, James Bond) which I adore above all else, and Dirty Harry is right among them.

Here is how I would rank them:

1)Dirty Harry- an absolute masterpiece. One of the greatest films ever made, this must surely rank among the very greatest cop films of all time. Much more ambiguous than some of its critics are willing to give it credit for, it is superbly and artistically directed by the underrated and brilliant Don Siegel, with a towering performance by the masterful Eastwood. All of the performances are in fact amazing, with the use of San Francisco unsurpassed among films set in specific American cities. The screenplay is classical in terms of how all the events logically directly lead each other, but is also extremely sophisticated in terms of its nuances. The dialogue is wonderful (Harry's speech was among the first speeches I ever memorised), the action scenes are fantastic and utterly thrilling and the film only gets better with age. As a bonus, the special edition DVD is fantastic as well. 100/10 ajb007/biggrin

2)Sudden Impact- the only Dirty Harry film directed by Eastwood, this is also the films which features 'Go Ahead, make my day.' I love Alex's description of it ("brutal, violent, sleaze masterpiece with a fantastic performance from Sondra Locke. Just a terrific detective/slasher") as I completely agree. ajb007/biggrin While I also accept that Tony, and others, don't love that Harry isn't the central character, for me, however, it works perfectly. It is an extremely violent and sadistic B-grade film in the guise of a A-grade film which features some extraordinary dialogue, brilliant actions scenes, extremely impressive direction and superb performances from all concerned. ajb007/biggrin Plus, Pauline Kael didn't like it. ajb007/biggrin ajb007/lol 10/10

3)The Dead Pool- although not at the level of the first film and Sudden Impact, this is still a fantastic film which showed that, like Clint and his directorial efforts, age was not slowing Harry down. To be honest, I'm not as big a fan of this film as I once was. I used to consider this a masterpeice. Now, not so much. However I still love this film as it has a terrific plot, great music, some cool dialogue, a couple of fantastic actions scenes and the scene at the prison was brilliant. Plus Clint was awesome as Harry as usual. What works against it is that it's a little to self-parodic for my tastes (unlike the other four films, none of whom were self-parodic at all), but I still think it's extremely entertaining. 9/10

4)Magnum Force- a great film which I wasn't originally particularly fond of, but now I love. It's funny; when I first saw this film, I was undewhelmed as I was still recovering from the dazzling brilliance of the first film. However in recent years, as I accepted that it could never match the original, I began to really appreciate it to the point where I now love it. ajb007/biggrin It's a fantastic film, that while it doesn't scale the majestic heights of the original, nonetheless conjures up great action scenes, a fantastic lead performance from Eastwood and a plot which is always timeless; corrupt cops killing criminals. It's a smooth, elegant film which has classic imagery (the title sequence is magnificent), extremely memorable dialogue ('a man's gotta know his limitations') and is a truly worthy sequel to Dirty Harry. 8.75/10

5)The Enforcer- the one Dirty Harry film which I would describe as a disappointment. It's got a fine performance from Clint as usal, some cool dialogue (I love how he explains why he uses a 44 Magnum) and a couple of terrific scenes. But, and I hate to say this, IMO it's boring. ajb007/crap It's not particularly exciting, and for a film that is about terrorisim, it's extremely dated and to quote Tony, quite 'tame.' I'm not a particularly big fan of this film at all. If it didn't have Eastwood and wasn't a Dirty Harry film, I would ignore it. That said, it's not a terrible film by any measure and is entertaining at parts.  7/10 (6/10 if it wasn't a Dirty Harry film. 5/10 if it wasn't a Dirty Harry film and had someone else instead of Eastwood.)


*Technically The Godfather films are not a series.

Last edited by Dan Same (7th Jul 2009 18:34)

"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman

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The plane was in Magnum Force. Sorry, I must be getting senile!

Dan, who is Pauline Kael? A high brow critic from down under, perhaps?

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She's a famous New York film critic Alex, surprised you haven't heard of her! Has books of her film reviews published, her write-ups on Octopussy and AVTAK are interesting. Very anti Clint, pro Spielberg, anti quasi fascist type films.

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Alex wrote:

Dan, who is Pauline Kael? A high brow critic from down under, perhaps?

Shocking you don't know!  The late Ms. Kael was also very anti-George Lucas, so much so Lucas named the bad guy in Willow after her.  There's also a famous story that, after the 1972 presidential election, she expressed disbelief that Nixon had been re-elected because "I don't know anybody who voted for him."

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I think Alex is pulling our collective chain through his alleged lack of familiarity, or maybe not...

Pauline Kael was one of those notoriously stodgy critics who would turn her nose up at anything with even a whiff of commercial appeal to it. She was especially unkind to the action genre and positively loathed most science fiction, even calling 2001 history's most expensive home movie at one point, though she did show a glimmer of good taste once in recommending Forbidden Planet.

She always struck me as something of a snob and I can't say I ever had much use for her reviews since they were often so far removed from mainstream American tastes. Roger Ebert seems to have decided to take the same road these days, with his increasingly negative and often downright uninformed essays on any movie that the general public would have the nerve to actually enjoy.

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Napoleon Plural wrote:

She's a famous New York film critic Alex, surprised you haven't heard of her! Has books of her film reviews published, her write-ups on Octopussy and AVTAK are interesting. Very anti Clint, pro Spielberg, anti quasi fascist type films.

Exactly, she's pro-Clint, and quite absurdly so. ajb007/insane She once made a comment about how he couldn't walk into a bar without getting into a fight with anyone; well, one could say that Meg Ryan couldn't meet a man without disliking him and them falling in love with him. She's also the person who called Dirty Harry fascist. ajb007/mad

Now I accept that not all critics share my views, and I'm not saying that Pauline Kael is a bad critic; on the contrary, she's incredibly film literate, however I will never undersand her distaste for Eastwood. It was almost as if she had a personal vendetta against him. Even with Unforgiven, she overlooked the irony of the ending. Add to it her distaste for Scorsese films like Goodfellas, and that she referred to De Niro's performance in Raging Bull as an impersonation, and she really was a critic who frustrated me (although she did love The Godfather Part II). The thing about it though is that unlike some Australian critics whom I can dismiss as hacks and idiots, I can't dismiss her that easily. She's far too intelligent and far too important to be dismissed. That's why her disliking Sudden Impact warrents a mention in my sum-up of it. ajb007/shifty

Hardyboy wrote:

Shocking you don't know!  The late Ms. Kael was also very anti-George Lucas, so much so Lucas named the bad guy in Willow after her.  There's also a famous story that, after the 1972 presidential election, she expressed disbelief that Nixon had been re-elected because "I don't know anybody who voted for him."

I had forgotten she was anti-Lucas. Not that surprising really since she liked so few genre films post-Bonnie & Clyde. As for the Nixon story, whenever some conservative want to write a story about out-of-touch liberals, they always bring that up. ajb007/crap

"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman

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TonyDP wrote:

I think Alex is pulling our collective chain through his alleged lack of familiarity, or maybe not...

Pauline Kael was one of those notoriously stodgy critics who would turn her nose up at anything with even a whiff of commercial appeal to it. She was especially unkind to the action genre and positively loathed most science fiction, even calling 2001 history's most expensive home movie at one point, though she did show a glimmer of good taste once in recommending Forbidden Planet.

ajb007/lol I'm not the world's biggest 2001 fan (sorry Tony), but that is a ridiculous statement. 

TonyDP wrote:

She always struck me as something of a snob and I can't say I ever had much use for her reviews since they were often so far removed from mainstream American tastes.

I admire her for her knowledge and love of cinema, and she did make some excellent points, but when it came to Eastwood and Scorsese, I tended to ignore her. Although, as I said in my post above this, I couldn't dismiss her as a hack or an idiot (unlike many Australian critics), many of her reviews of Eastwood films were idiotic in terms of her waging a personal vendetta against him. ajb007/insane I have a rule that I don't listen to critics' views of films which are directed by/star someone they hate. I know that Kael hated Eastwood, so while I would happily read her review of Once Upon a Time in America, I wouldn't rush out to read her review of Gran Torino (if she had lived long enough to write a review to that film). Fan-boyism isn't something that I love to read in reviews, and neither is hatred of an actor/director and everything that they do.

TonyDP wrote:

Roger Ebert seems to have decided to take the same road these days, with his increasingly negative and often downright uninformed essays on any movie that the general public would have the nerve to actually enjoy.

I have a love/hate relationship with Ebert. On one hand, in terms of my hatred for him, he refuses to acknowledge that the The Godfather Part II is a great film, loved Crash, is less than knowledgable about certain genre series such as Bond, haven't even seen The Terminator which IMO is an essential film for any wannabe film critic, can be elitist when it comes to genre films and has written various other reviews which have annoyed me. On the other hand, in terms of my love for him, he is the only American critic whom I check in on a weekly basis, often writes brilliantly entertaining reviews which constistently remind me why he has won a Pulitzer, is enormously knowledgable and appreciative of cinema, isn't a fan-boy and has provided numerous intelligent and even wise insights. Ebert annoys me sometimes, but I very much respect him and he is certainly my favourite American film critic.

"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman

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The problem with Ebert these days is that his reviews of genre movies like Star Trek are often full of factual errors. He complains about apparent inconsistencies and plot holes in the movie and grades it accordingly; yet when readers point out those errors to him he is dismissive and refuses to at least acknowledge that his initial review was flawed, in essence saying "I was wrong but I really don't care". He did that with Terminator: Salvation as well.

I used to enjoy reading his reviews as well, even if I didn't always agree with him. But that kind of lazy indifference goes a little too far for me. Its one thing to genuinely critique a movie for reasons that you may think are valid, even if others disagree with you. Its quite another to dismiss a movie outright simply because you're burned out by the genre or are in a bad mood that day or simply don't feel like watching it anymore. Hundreds of people put in thousands of hours to get those kinds of films made and dismissive reviews like the ones Ebert has been submitting lately are just plain disrespectful. If you can't muster enough interest to pay attention while watching a movie so that you can at least give an informed review, then you really have no business offering an opinion at all any more.

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I don't think that Ebert's review of Terminator: Salvation contained too many *mistakes. The one thing he did say which really infuriated me was "The first "Terminator" movie I regret (I suppose) I did not see." Well, I'm sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, the first two Terminator films are essential films. I don't pretend to be the world's authority on cinema, however if an alien from outer space came to earth and asked me to recommend the essential films that one must see, I would certainly mention the first Terminator film, and perhaps the second (although I think both films are equally good, the first is probably more important, while the second film would be represented on my list by films like Die Hard and perhaps RoboCop. But, depending on the size of the list, I might indeed include T2.)

As I said in my earlier post, I have a love/hate relationship with Ebert; his dismissal of (genre) films like The Terminator and his refusal to classify The Godfather Part II as a great film are reasons why I hate him. However, I really do love reading his reviews, and I guess I have to accept that he's incredibly flawed; he's still however one of the best critics in the business.

*He also questioned why Skynet would want to destroy humankind, however I thought that was obvious. ajb007/confused

Last edited by Dan Same (10th Jul 2009 19:07)

"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman

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Alex wrote:

Dirty Harry
Magnum Force
Sudden Impact
The Enforcer
And the one where Jim Carey lip synchs Welcome to the Jungle

Agreed. Let's not even mention that other *grunt*, film.

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Welcome to the best Bond site on the net Rick. ajb007/cheers However, I disagree with you about The Dead Pool. IMO it was the third best Dirty Harry film of all time. ajb007/biggrin

Still it's good to know that you like both Bond and Dirty Harry; I don't think you can go wrong with that combination. ajb007/biggrin

Last edited by Dan Same (9th Nov 2009 17:34)

"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman

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Dan Same wrote:

Welcome to the best Bond site on the net Rick. ajb007/cheers However, I disagree with you about The Dead Pool. IMO it was the third best Bond film of all time. ajb007/biggrin

You made a powerful enemy today...
























Just kiddin'. ajb007/tongue Thanks for the welcome.

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I have enough enemies thanks, I don't think I need another. ajb007/crap ajb007/lol Anyway as I said, it's good to know that you like both Bond and Dirty Harry; I don't think you can go wrong with that combination. ajb007/biggrin

"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman

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Dan Same wrote:

I have enough enemies thanks, I don't think I need another. ajb007/crap ajb007/lol Anyway as I said, it's good to know that you like both Bond and Dirty Harry; I don't think you can go wrong with that combination. ajb007/biggrin

Yeah, it's a great testosterone martini.

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It has been awhile since I have seen some of these movies, but I would go with the following,

Dirty Harry - Classic
Magnum Force - Pretty good follow up.
Sudden Impact - pretty seedy at times with a great performance from Locke, I liked it
The Enforcer - Has some moments, but average at best
Dead Pool - Didn't seem like the same Harry, at times seemed like a parody

One quick comment on Pauline Kael, she was a fan of Straw Dogs, my favorite film of all time, and was a big fan of Sam Peckinpaugh, so she is OK with me.

Last edited by Barry Nelson (13th Jul 2009 19:14)

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I'm glad to see that people enjoy bond and dirty harry movies. I think these 2 movie trilogies are one of the greatest action combos ever.