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Loeffelholz wrote:

I double-dog dare you.

You are low... ajb007/lol


You're killing me

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Whoops !

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The problem is a novel averages 300 pages and a screenplay is usually no more than 80. A novel also transports you to another place via your own imagination and perception of description. We can all read a well-written novel and all come up with a different idea of how a location appears or feels, or how a character actually looks, despite the author's best efforts. I have seen a talented editor literally striking through page after page to form a novel, let alone a screenplay. Add also to this, the amount of footage cut from filming for every reason from budget to legal reasons to simply length of the final cut, and what goes on film hardly resembles the original novel. Anyone who spotted a few ques from Casino Royale as the novel should be pleased at best.

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thesecretagent wrote:

The problem is a novel averages 300 pages and a screenplay is usually no more than 80. A novel also transports you to another place via your own imagination and perception of description. We can all read a well-written novel and all come up with a different idea of how a location appears or feels, or how a character actually looks, despite the author's best efforts. I have seen a talented editor literally striking through page after page to form a novel, let alone a screenplay. Add also to this, the amount of footage cut from filming for every reason from budget to legal reasons to simply length of the final cut, and what goes on film hardly resembles the original novel. Anyone who spotted a few ques from Casino Royale as the novel should be pleased at best.

I definelty agree about the troubles that come with adapting a book to film. Still, one can still perserve the orginal ideas and CR did not do a good job of it IMO.

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Well, the torture scene wasn't going to be Hostel 2 was it? That said, the 'laughs' were of a very dark kind; not like Roger Moore raising his eyebrow and going, "I'm surprised you don't have more wrist action, what with your proclivities..." Actually that's not a bad line, they should have used that...  ajb007/biggrin

I thought it was sour humour, laughing in the face of death, that sort of thing though personally I didn't care for the scene or how it was done. Craig's body looked a bit too muscley, somewhat overdone or odd, and other stuff didn't quite work for me. Still.

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Napoleon Plural wrote:

Well, the torture scene wasn't going to be Hostel 2 was it? That said, the 'laughs' were of a very dark kind; not like Roger Moore raising his eyebrow and going, "I'm surprised you don't have more wrist action, what with your proclivities..." Actually that's not a bad line, they should have used that...  ajb007/biggrin

I thought it was sour humour, laughing in the face of death, that sort of thing though personally I didn't care for the scene or how it was done. Craig's body looked a bit too muscley, somewhat overdone or odd, and other stuff didn't quite work for me. Still.

I was certaintly not expecting something as horrid as Hostel but some genuine tension would have been great.

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Napoleon Plural wrote:

Well, the torture scene wasn't going to be Hostel 2 was it? That said, the 'laughs' were of a very dark kind; not like Roger Moore raising his eyebrow and going, "I'm surprised you don't have more wrist action, what with your proclivities..." Actually that's not a bad line, they should have used that...  ajb007/biggrin

I thought it was sour humour, laughing in the face of death, that sort of thing though personally I didn't care for the scene or how it was done. Craig's body looked a bit too muscley, somewhat overdone or odd, and other stuff didn't quite work for me. Still.

HAHA I know what you mean. The scene coupled with Bond in a man-bikini gave Casino Royale a homoerotic feel that I didn't care for. I guess after years of presenting women as eye candy, they tried it with Bond.

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JamesBondJunior wrote:
Napoleon Plural wrote:

Well, the torture scene wasn't going to be Hostel 2 was it? That said, the 'laughs' were of a very dark kind; not like Roger Moore raising his eyebrow and going, "I'm surprised you don't have more wrist action, what with your proclivities..." Actually that's not a bad line, they should have used that...  ajb007/biggrin

I thought it was sour humour, laughing in the face of death, that sort of thing though personally I didn't care for the scene or how it was done. Craig's body looked a bit too muscley, somewhat overdone or odd, and other stuff didn't quite work for me. Still.

HAHA I know what you mean. The scene coupled with Bond in a man-bikini gave Casino Royale a homoerotic feel that I didn't care for. I guess after years of presenting women as eye candy, they tried it with Bond.

I think Casino Royale had Bond in more shirtless scenes than other actor before him.

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I think SC was shirtless far more in Thunderball.

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thesecretagent wrote:

I think SC was shirtless far more in Thunderball.

I guess. He usually put on a shirt as soon he left the water. Craig kind of flaunted his bod alot more.

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Yes, I do get your point. Connery was either swimming, about to swim, or had been swimming. Craig is on the computer, walking around, strapped to a chair - I think Barbara Brocolli rather likes him like that! ajb007/lol After all, this re-boot or whatever seems to be her baby...

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thesecretagent wrote:

The problem is a novel averages 300 pages and a screenplay is usually no more than 80. A novel also transports you to another place via your own imagination and perception of description. We can all read a well-written novel and all come up with a different idea of how a location appears or feels, or how a character actually looks, despite the author's best efforts. I have seen a talented editor literally striking through page after page to form a novel, let alone a screenplay. Add also to this, the amount of footage cut from filming for every reason from budget to legal reasons to simply length of the final cut, and what goes on film hardly resembles the original novel. Anyone who spotted a few ques from Casino Royale as the novel should be pleased at best.

The novel Casino Royale is precisely 144 pages.
Full-length screenplays are 100 to 120 pages, and many are longer than 120 pages.
I have hundreds of screenplays piled up in my office, including many of the Bond scripts and continuities. Very few are 80 pages -- not even the old Universal horror films were as short as 80 pages. Bond scripts are much longer than 80 pages. I have one draft of CASINO ROYALE that is 167 pages.

The changes made to CASINO ROYALE are a matter of personal choice and of creative intent, not matters of necessity. With a budget of $150,000,000, a production schedule lasting a year including 4 months of principle photography, a running time of 144 minutes, and a legal team that's larger and more powerful than some governments, EON productions can pretty much make the film it wants to make.

Napoleon Plural wrote:

I thought it was sour humour, laughing in the face of death, that sort of thing though personally I didn't care for the scene or how it was done. Craig's body looked a bit too muscley, somewhat overdone or odd, and other stuff didn't quite work for me. Still.

Bond isn't supposed to be built like Tarzan. Craig could easily break up that rattan chair. He's too musclebound for the torture scene to play out the way it does. Acting as if he's afraid is pointless when his physicality belies the fear. And so the torture scene is only believable to those who are not paying close attention.

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I've seen quite a few screenplays at 80-odd pages. I'm sure there are much longer ones. My agent always aimed at selling 300 page novels (approx) and that's what my own, and the majority of novels pan out to, or 120,000 words more or less. You obviously know more about screenplays than myself, so... whatever.

Craig's torture scene was about the most realistic piece of acting he's done. There is a point when everybody, no matter how fit, strong or mentally composed realises that there's nothing they can do. They either give up and tell all, and do it very quickly, or they hold out, tough-up, and become self-destructive, but end up eventually going the same way. Craig's Bond did this, egging on Le Chiffre, but ultimately would have come to an end very quickly without Mr. White's intervention. Two or three wraps of tape around the wrists and ankles as Bond had would hold anyone, no matter how they are built.
I know this from interrorgation training and exercises in the army, and have also seen it in practice in Iraq. Big strong men brake as quickly as small ones.

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I agree TSA, a few strips of tape will hold anyone down I know from experience not Military just a very agressive ex-Girlfriend.  I broke down very quickly, she didn't seem to remember the safety word ajb007/lol
On the topic of scripts, I always thought a page of script equaled one minute of screen time

Last edited by Thunderpussy (21st Apr 2011 14:32)

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."

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Don't you just wonder how that post read before Thunderpussy edited it?  ajb007/biggrin

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I agree - the torture scene was very well-done.  And I WAS paying close attention!

thesecretagent wrote:

I've seen quite a few screenplays at 80-odd pages. I'm sure there are much longer ones. My agent always aimed at selling 300 page novels (approx) and that's what my own, and the majority of novels pan out to, or 120,000 words more or less. You obviously know more about screenplays than myself, so... whatever.

Craig's torture scene was about the most realistic piece of acting he's done. There is a point when everybody, no matter how fit, strong or mentally composed realises that there's nothing they can do. They either give up and tell all, and do it very quickly, or they hold out, tough-up, and become self-destructive, but end up eventually going the same way. Craig's Bond did this, egging on Le Chiffre, but ultimately would have come to an end very quickly without Mr. White's intervention. Two or three wraps of tape around the wrists and ankles as Bond had would hold anyone, no matter how they are built.
I know this from interrorgation training and exercises in the army, and have also seen it in practice in Iraq. Big strong men brake as quickly as small ones.

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Here's how Tarintino's take On Greene's Inspirational Speech might of Went.  ajb007/lol

http://youtu.be/p6fBZ1BtcUQ

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."

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I think Cameron should hire that guy to have a chat with the city's bankers...

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He'd of sorted out all the rioters, "with a little slap!" ajb007/lol

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."

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Oh Iam silly, I thought it was a clip of Craigs latest interview.

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QT could remake Live and Let Die.