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The Bond I imagine, although not being any of the movie Bonds is probably closest to Dalton in appearance and speech, but different in ways I can't really describe.

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I don't imagining him as looking like any of the screen incarnations.  As a matter of fact, I don't think the Bond of my mind looks like any actor (or person, for that matter) than I am aware of.

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The Domino Effect wrote:

I suppose that of the screen Bonds, 'my' Bond most closely resembles Connery, but as someone else suggested that's likely because the books live and breathe the 1950s/60s and Connery is the only one from that era. However, I do hear Connery's voice in my head when I read certain lines that are the same or similar to those from the films. His voice leaps up from the page...but only when it is a line later used by the screenwriter. Interestingly enough however, the villains and the Bondgirls are most definitely the screen villains and Bondgirls.


That just about sums it up for me. Since I first read the Fleming books in the 60s, Sean Connery's face, image and above all voice are what I generally envisage when reading the books... except when Dalton takes over for the (then) unfilmed sequences. Never Moore,  certainly not Lazenby and God forbid Craig- though Brosnan does pop up from time to time!

Villain-wise, most care was taken with the early films (Joseph Wiseman, Lotte Lenya, Robert Shaw, and above all Gert Frobe) although that eroded with time (with the exception of Christopher Lee!) and Bondgirl-wise much the same.

Edit- This is without disparage to non-Fleming characters!

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Barbel wrote:

Villain-wise, most care was taken with the early films (Joseph Wiseman, Lotte Lenya, Robert Shaw, and above all Gert Frobe) although that eroded with time (with the exception of Christopher Lee!) and Bondgirl-wise much the same.

Since the villains were mentioned, I was reminded of the audio versions of the books.  Though I can't relate any of the film Bonds when I read, I sometimes can't help but imagine the movie characterizations of the villains and recurring characters, most particularly for M.  For me, however, a totally different M comes to life when listening to the narrated novels, and the same thing applies for the villains, like Dr. No, Goldfinger, Donovan Grant and Drax. 

IMO, if one wants to fully discover the Bond character, reading the novels is superior to watching the movies because it allows you to pick up on Fleming's intended characterization of the characters and the portrayal of the world he lives in, including even subtle yet deliberate nuances when written well; however, engaging the written word in the silence of the mind can sometimes facilitate an open-ended interpretation when one is not paying careful attention to what's actually written.

I suppose it also boils down to a narrators' interpretation (sometimes erroneous, like how Bill Tanner was portrayed in an audio novel as an older man like in the Moore movies), but often times the writing is deliberate and clear enough that it will restrict and define the dialog, that the interpreter cannot help but retain the personality, tone, etc. in the audible reading as Fleming intended.  The result is experiencing a Fleming character coming to life in a way that doesn't resemble whatever screen version thats fixed into the reader's mind.  Lastly, for me an interesting paradox is that to ultimately grasp Fleming with as little personal bias as possible, it's not a case of abandoning performances (the film series) and embracing the internalized experience of reading the written source, but experiencing the faithful yet dramatic reading of the literary material, which essentially like the films...is a performance.

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"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....

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I think of either the illustration above or George Lazenby. I'm not sure why but I have had a picture in my mind of what literary Bond looks like and he doesn't really look like many of the actors who have portrayed him.

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When I was young and new to Bond I found myself trying to picture Connery when reading the novels.  However, the more I read the more I came to see, in my minds eye, someone very different then Connery.  At first it was a bit disconcerting having a cinematic Bond and a literary Bond that did not match 100%, but then I got used to it and liked the difference.  It's hard to explain, but I don't see any of the actors, nor do I see Hoagy Carmichael, or Fleming for that matter.  I think everyone see's the Bond of the novels slightly different.  Fleming saw him one way as evidenced by the drawing he had commisioned for the look of the illustrated Bond in the Daily Express.  Of course McClusky saw him with a bit harder edge similar to a Connery type and judged Fleming's drawing of Bond too pre-war.  The producers of the movies initially saw him as a Cary Grant type while Fleming saw him as David Niven before realizing that Connery was an inspired choice.

To me the Bond of the novels is tougher and more ruthless than what he has become on screen.  As Superado said above, listening to the audio versions of the novels is a great treat, and you'll be captivated by Fleming's writing brought to life.

DG

So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
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At the risk of sounding a little bullish.... myself!

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D'Arturo wrote:

Fleming's description of Bond is so different from any of the screen versions that I have never pictured Bond as one of the Bond actors...instead, in my head I see Bond as the lean-faced, dark-haired, grey-eyed man with the "cruel mouth" that Fleming describes pretty consistently in the novels. I think the closest to my vision of Bond is represented by this book jacket illustration from the 70s, although, I suppose the case could be made that he looks like Sean Connery, only with the classic "comma" of hair above the right eyebrow!
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_p4I9kL_myy0/SC6VISGklTI/AAAAAAAAAMc/l9D062nToik/s400/bantam_casino-royale.jpg

Not quite like that.  More hair, fuller face, not as handsome, more ruthless looking.

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George Lazenby

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In looks probably Sean Connery, but in character it has to be Daniel Craig. The description of James Bond in Casino Royale talks of a cold, ruthless man and only Daniel Craig has portrayed him that way.

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I always imagine Dalton in my head when reading the books. I don't know what it is, I think because in many ways his portrayal of the character was based more on what Fleming envisioned. I suppose Daniel has done that as well, but I think physically Dalton has more of what Fleming describes. Plus he has dark hair.

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http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Profiles/20060929/244.owen.clive.092706.jpg

Clive Owen fit the bill for me after seeing the BMW short films. His mannerisms/attitude resonate with the more 'sedate' Bond of the novels for me. I could see him snorkeling around as a hobby - a bit more worldly than the on-screen incarnations we've been given.

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SpectreBlofeld wrote:

http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Profiles/20060929/244.owen.clive.092706.jpg

Clive Owen fit the bill for me after seeing the BMW short films. His mannerisms/attitude resonate with the more 'sedate' Bond of the novels for me. I could see him snorkeling around as a hobby - a bit more worldly than the on-screen incarnations we've been given.

If this guys not to old, hes definetly the next bond, no question about it. Even though i dont picture him at all, hes the clossest we've got that i've seen.

here guys check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKYUtUw-8ig  its not long.

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"I take a ridiculous pleasure in what I eat and drink."                                   

~ Casino Royale, Ian Fleming

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I don't picture any of the actors when reading the novels, but I suppose if I had to pick one, the closest would probably be Dalton.

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Connery or a leaner version of Dalton.

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I imagine the perosn that palyes the movie of the book, except for moonraker becasue that is completely diffrent.

“The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. "
-Casino Royale, Ian Fleming

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Hmm this is a tricky one. I've recently read several of the books for the first time and I am inclined to say Connery. However as other people have pointed out maybe that is because either most of the books have been made into films starring him OR because he is the closest actor to the period.

I think there is a complexity to the character that goes beyond Connery however. The IF Bond is clearly a very human figure who sometimes has trouble coping with his violent life. You never really got that impression with Sean. If I were to put money on it I would say the IF Bond is a mix of Connery, Dalton and Brosnan. Connery for his sexual aggression and smoothness, Dalton for his darker edge and Brosnan for his emotional vulnerability. All 3 actors also have that "gentleman" look about them which fits the literary character. Something DC doesn't quite have IMO.

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Additionally Lazemby is quite close BUT the fact that he only did one makes it a little harder to judge. TD and PB were each given a little more time to explore the character.

I suppose its easier to say who the actors LEAST like the IF Bond are. IMO in terms of style its Roger Moore (too comic and tongue in cheek). In terms of looks its Daniel Craig (too brutish and muscley).

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I most always think of Fleming's portrayal of Bond.  None of the actors come into mind while reading them.  I am a big Sir Roger fan,  but I am currently reading a copy of Live and Let Die,  and Moore is on the cover,  though he does not come to mind while reading the text.

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Now that it comes to mind i actually picture Ian's own brother Peter ( who was one of the individuals that Ian based 007 on) When I read the Bond novels, what do you guys think? Ive been reading up on him & apparently he was the guy who told Ian to make M's secretarys name Moneypenny, also he married a actress, and went on many expeditions around the world.
Sounds like Bond to me! ajb007/cool

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http://www.rgs.org/RGS-IBG-SITE/Images/GeneratedImages/%7B7C34C4AD-B92B-4EA3-84B0-0B629CB545A4%7DOneP.jpg

or

http://www.life.com/image/ugc1022682/in-gallery/37692/unpublished-james-bond-auditions

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"I take a ridiculous pleasure in what I eat and drink."                                   

~ Casino Royale, Ian Fleming

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EDOG51 wrote:

When reading the bond novels and seeing the events plan out in your head who do you picture as 007? is it one of the 6 so far to play him in the movies or do you see a different bond when reading the books


A cross between Lazenby and Dalton. The novel Bond appears too intelligent to be a Connery or Craig Bond. Don't picture Moore or Brosnan.

"And if I told you that I'm from the Ministry of Defence?" James Bond  - The Property of a Lady

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I'm actually re-reading CR at the moment and am struggling to put a specific face to Bond. In the past Connery often came to mind but now Im not so sure as I don't really see Connery in CR. One thing that sticks out in Royale is that he's often quite vulnerable and damaged, particularly after the torture sequence (as he is in most of the books) ("Her voice faltered, the mention of the villa had made Bond's eyes flicker").

He's also quite gentle and comforting around women at times ("It's alright Vesper, I'm sorry I was so rough, its just that I was jealous of you in the sunshine while I'm stuck here"). I didn't really get this impression with Connery's Bond.

Professionally IMO he is also too disciplined to be Craig's Bond. At the start when he's looking round his room for signs that it had been searched, the book talks about his methodical attention to detail. Vesper also refers to his expertise later on.

I'd say the actors that Ive visualised so far are Dalton, Lazenby and Brosnan.

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Seanie Connery without a doubt

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George Lazenby

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I picture Dalton in most of the novels, though I could also see Stewart Granger (which is why Fleming saw him as playing Bond in the films - I also think Granger looked like an idealized version of Fleming).   I'm also posting a photo of Hoagy Carmichael, so you can see why Fleming had Vesper describing Bond as looking somewhat like him.
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