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superado wrote:

To avoid multiple quotes...  ajb007/lol

  • The 4-year life span was not a given production limitation, but rather a control mechanism engineered in.

  • The novel (which audio version I'm in the middle of listening to) intentionally characterized the replicants as inhuman in attitude, per the ultimate tome of the original movie's development and production, "Future Noir" by Paul Sammon.  However, the movie was never meant to be a point-for-point adaptation of the novel particularly in terms of characterization, theme, etc.  In fact, the state of population that had been thinned out due to environmental issues in the novel, is more closely depicted in 2049, vs. the burgeoning population depicted in 2019.

  • It is a hotly disputed fact that Ridley Scott creatively high-jacked the project, hence his supposed intent of Deckard being a replicant from the get-go; so while editing can literally change the entire direction of a movie, whichever conclusion one prefers is legitimate depending on how one weighs the creative authority of the various creative personalities as well as the studio's.  What's interesting with 2049 is that whether Deckard is a replicant is not conclusive and arguments for and against are both present and strong, though it is not ultimately material to the plot.

Great stuff there. Thanks.

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I was rewatching the scene where Rachael finds out that she is in fact...a replicant.
Showing pictures of her mother to make him believe that she was human and it totally backfiring.
A bloody cold bastard to make her cry.
It's as if he didn't had zero empathy for any replicant and viewed them all as one, his machine quote notwithstanding.
At the very least he realised what a total dickhead he was at the end.
Brilliant scene.

Another one that I rewatched was the one where he retired Zhora, the sculptures looking towards her as she falls to her final resting place.
It sort of reminded me of T2 when the T1000 looked at the metal sculpture after he threw the T800 out the window but it was probably intended as a joke than anything else.

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When I was in LA earlier this month I visited a lot of the filming locations for the original Blade Runner. Visiting these locations, especially the Bradbury building, gave me a whole new level of appreciation for the film.
https://s1.postimg.cc/4z0hab4163/gos.jpg
https://s1.postimg.cc/6xwo0ncyy3/goshoes.jpg
I also confirmed that Gosling wears the 8 inch Bates tactical boots in BR2049 even though sites like GQ are saying its the 6 inch model.
https://s1.postimg.cc/5djofcnzhn/la1.jpg
https://s1.postimg.cc/8x5m55urvf/la2.jpg
https://s1.postimg.cc/11kv7th3ij/la3.jpghttps://s1.postimg.cc/30ttcbdojv/la4.jpg
https://s1.postimg.cc/1qqw5zzruj/la5.jpg
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walther p99 wrote:

When I was in LA earlier this month I visited a lot of the filming locations for the original Blade Runner. Visiting these locations, especially the Bradbury building, gave me a whole new level of appreciation for the film.
https://s1.postimg.cc/4z0hab4163/gos.jpg
https://s1.postimg.cc/6xwo0ncyy3/goshoes.jpg
I also confirmed that Gosling wears the 8 inch Bates tactical boots in BR2049 even though sites like GQ are saying its the 6 inch model.
https://s1.postimg.cc/5djofcnzhn/la1.jpg
https://s1.postimg.cc/8x5m55urvf/la2.jpg
https://s1.postimg.cc/11kv7th3ij/la3.jpghttps://s1.postimg.cc/30ttcbdojv/la4.jpg
https://s1.postimg.cc/1qqw5zzruj/la5.jpg
https://s1.postimg.cc/4zq02nrrij/la6.jpg

Nice!  Last year I visited the Bradbury Building, but missed out on the tunnel and Union Station, maybe next time.  There's also the Ennis House that was used for establishing shots of Deckard's apartment building, including the outside wall that was used for the texture of Deckard's interior wall, which I also wanted to visit but couldn't because of time constraints.https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Ennis_House_front_view_2005.jpg/1200px-Ennis_House_front_view_2005.jpg

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superado wrote:
walther p99 wrote:

When I was in LA earlier this month I visited a lot of the filming locations for the original Blade Runner. Visiting these locations, especially the Bradbury building, gave me a whole new level of appreciation for the film.
https://s1.postimg.cc/4z0hab4163/gos.jpg
https://s1.postimg.cc/6xwo0ncyy3/goshoes.jpg
I also confirmed that Gosling wears the 8 inch Bates tactical boots in BR2049 even though sites like GQ are saying its the 6 inch model.
https://s1.postimg.cc/5djofcnzhn/la1.jpg
https://s1.postimg.cc/8x5m55urvf/la2.jpg
https://s1.postimg.cc/11kv7th3ij/la3.jpghttps://s1.postimg.cc/30ttcbdojv/la4.jpg
https://s1.postimg.cc/1qqw5zzruj/la5.jpg
https://s1.postimg.cc/4zq02nrrij/la6.jpg

Nice!  Last year I visited the Bradbury Building, but missed out on the tunnel and Union Station, maybe next time.  There's also the Ennis House that was used for establishing shots of Deckard's apartment building, including the outside wall that was used for the texture of Deckard's interior wall, which I also wanted to visit but couldn't because of time constraints.https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Ennis_House_front_view_2005.jpg/1200px-Ennis_House_front_view_2005.jpg

Bradbury was definitely the best location to visit. Union station and the 2nd street tunnel are cool but lack the wow factor of the Bradbury. And we thought about visiting the Ennis house but its a bit far from downtown and there's not much to see since its a private residence so figured it would be too much of a hassle.

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WOW!!! Cool location scouting guys!!! ajb007/cheers

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Yeah, the Bradbury Building is definitely a treat, a freebie at that, and I was able to park across the street (metered) and enjoy a great breakfast inside the Grand Central Market in front of the Bradbury (next to the Million Dollar Theater briefly seen in front of Sebastian's apartment).  The Grand Central Market, given time to decay, looks like a worthy Blade Runner destination, but it's full of nice eateries!

I got to take in a 2nd viewing last Friday, which might be timely because it's being predicted that 2049 won't last in the theaters for long; it was love at second sight, since the first time it was only "like"! 

I just read an article on the CGI used for Rachel in BR 2049... http://www.digitalartsonline.co.uk/news … er-2049/#1 ...and only stopped to think just now how in one of the sequel novels, "Blade Runner 3: Replicant Night" (1996) by K. W. Jeter, Deckard gets involved in off-world filmmaking and it described a process very similar to the CGI used in 2049.  In the story, all the characters in a movie are GGI'ed with the entire cast of stand-ins.  Judging from the acting in some of today's movies, you'd think that the process is more widely-used than we're aware of  ajb007/lol

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superado wrote:

Yeah, the Bradbury Building is definitely a treat, a freebie at that, and I was able to park across the street (metered) and enjoy a great breakfast inside the Grand Central Market in front of the Bradbury (next to the Million Dollar Theater briefly seen in front of Sebastian's apartment).  The Grand Central Market, given time to decay, looks like a worthy Blade Runner destination, but it's full of nice eateries!

I got to take in a 2nd viewing last Friday, which might be timely because it's being predicted that 2049 won't last in the theaters for long; it was love at second sight, since the first time it was only "like"! 

I just read an article on the CGI used for Rachel in BR 2049... http://www.digitalartsonline.co.uk/news … er-2049/#1 ...and only stopped to think just now how in one of the sequel novels, "Blade Runner 3: Replicant Night" (1996) by K. W. Jeter, Deckard gets involved in off-world filmmaking and it described a process very similar to the CGI used in 2049.  In the story, all the characters in a movie are GGI'ed with the entire cast of stand-ins.  Judging from the acting in some of today's movies, you'd think that the process is more widely-used than we're aware of  ajb007/lol

I had lunch at Sarita's in Grand Central Market, now famous as being briefly seen in La La Land. It's definitely a really cool place to eat and explore.

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walther p99 wrote:
superado wrote:

Yeah, the Bradbury Building is definitely a treat, a freebie at that, and I was able to park across the street (metered) and enjoy a great breakfast inside the Grand Central Market in front of the Bradbury (next to the Million Dollar Theater briefly seen in front of Sebastian's apartment).  The Grand Central Market, given time to decay, looks like a worthy Blade Runner destination, but it's full of nice eateries!

I got to take in a 2nd viewing last Friday, which might be timely because it's being predicted that 2049 won't last in the theaters for long; it was love at second sight, since the first time it was only "like"! 

I just read an article on the CGI used for Rachel in BR 2049... http://www.digitalartsonline.co.uk/news … er-2049/#1 ...and only stopped to think just now how in one of the sequel novels, "Blade Runner 3: Replicant Night" (1996) by K. W. Jeter, Deckard gets involved in off-world filmmaking and it described a process very similar to the CGI used in 2049.  In the story, all the characters in a movie are GGI'ed with the entire cast of stand-ins.  Judging from the acting in some of today's movies, you'd think that the process is more widely-used than we're aware of  ajb007/lol

I had lunch at Sarita's in Grand Central Market, now famous as being briefly seen in La La Land. It's definitely a really cool place to eat and explore.

"IT'S ANOTHER DAY OF SUN!!!"  Don't get me started!  ajb007/lol  I ate at this place called Jose Chiquito and had a basic diner's breakfast of eggs and hash browns, but I wish I had ordered one of their huge breakfast burritos.

On the BR front, broke down yesterday at Barnes and Noble and bought the movie book, with the incentive of a 10% discount that made it the cheapest option even over Amazon Prime.  The book is pretty loaded with photos and information behind the movie and its production.

"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....

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superado wrote:
walther p99 wrote:
superado wrote:

Yeah, the Bradbury Building is definitely a treat, a freebie at that, and I was able to park across the street (metered) and enjoy a great breakfast inside the Grand Central Market in front of the Bradbury (next to the Million Dollar Theater briefly seen in front of Sebastian's apartment).  The Grand Central Market, given time to decay, looks like a worthy Blade Runner destination, but it's full of nice eateries!

I got to take in a 2nd viewing last Friday, which might be timely because it's being predicted that 2049 won't last in the theaters for long; it was love at second sight, since the first time it was only "like"! 

I just read an article on the CGI used for Rachel in BR 2049... http://www.digitalartsonline.co.uk/news … er-2049/#1 ...and only stopped to think just now how in one of the sequel novels, "Blade Runner 3: Replicant Night" (1996) by K. W. Jeter, Deckard gets involved in off-world filmmaking and it described a process very similar to the CGI used in 2049.  In the story, all the characters in a movie are GGI'ed with the entire cast of stand-ins.  Judging from the acting in some of today's movies, you'd think that the process is more widely-used than we're aware of  ajb007/lol

I had lunch at Sarita's in Grand Central Market, now famous as being briefly seen in La La Land. It's definitely a really cool place to eat and explore.

"IT'S ANOTHER DAY OF SUN!!!"  Don't get me started!  ajb007/lol  I ate at this place called Jose Chiquito and had a basic diner's breakfast of eggs and hash browns, but I wish I had ordered one of their huge breakfast burritos.

On the BR front, broke down yesterday at Barnes and Noble and bought the movie book, with the incentive of a 10% discount that made it the cheapest option even over Amazon Prime.  The book is pretty loaded with photos and information behind the movie and its production.

What book is it?

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walther p99 wrote:
superado wrote:
walther p99 wrote:

I had lunch at Sarita's in Grand Central Market, now famous as being briefly seen in La La Land. It's definitely a really cool place to eat and explore.

"IT'S ANOTHER DAY OF SUN!!!"  Don't get me started!  ajb007/lol  I ate at this place called Jose Chiquito and had a basic diner's breakfast of eggs and hash browns, but I wish I had ordered one of their huge breakfast burritos.

On the BR front, broke down yesterday at Barnes and Noble and bought the movie book, with the incentive of a 10% discount that made it the cheapest option even over Amazon Prime.  The book is pretty loaded with photos and information behind the movie and its production.

What book is it?

It's titled "The Art and Soul of Blade Runner 2049" though it's listed with a different title on Amazon:
http://a.co/hbfm988

"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....

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I'm Jared Leto fan.

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Just got Ryan Gosling's Blade Runner 2049 boots in the mail. They're extremely comfortable and look even cooler in person. The perfect choice for walking through a snowstorm in a dystopian city.
https://s1.postimg.cc/1gszn79kij/BR2049bates.jpg
https://s1.postimg.cc/3tvm4eqlfv/BR2049bates2.jpg

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Look pretty indestructable  ajb007/smile

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*spoiler alert*

Usually I would expect the film's protagonist to discover something about himself or complete a character arc thru the course of some bigger conflict.

In Blade Runner there seemed to be no real pressing situations facing this dystopian society. There was virtually no drama whatsoever other than Ryan Gosling trying to figure out if he is a human or a replicant. And he does so at an incredibly slow pace with a very low body count.

The concept of memory implants have already been pretty well discussed in Total Recall. Ryan's wide range of emotions and behaviors make me wonder why it even matters if he is a replicant or not. Plus, why would society even care about replicants needing to be retired? The one featured was being a productive protein farmer. Why the need to kill him? And this is coming from a society that values hologram girlfriends???

About the hologram...seriously what the hell was that about? Are they trying to make me believe that Ryan Gosling can't get a real date?
And why aren't there any mention of male holograms? Does this city only cater to hetero men?

If replicants were created for slave labor, why go to all the trouble of giving them memory implants and making them as human as possible to the point where almost no one can tell the difference?

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Firemass wrote:

About the hologram...seriously what the hell was that about? Are they trying to make me believe that Ryan Gosling can't get a real date?

This is a good point considering every other woman in the film hits on him in some way ajb007/lol

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Firemass wrote:

Usually I would expect the film's protagonist to discover something about himself or complete a character arc thru the course of some bigger conflict.

In Blade Runner 2049 there seemed to be no real pressing situations facing this dystopian society. There was virtually no drama whatsoever other than Ryan Gosling trying to figure out if he is a human or a replicant.

the larger situation facing society seems to be that replicants can now procreate. Jared Leto thinks this will somehow save his company a lot of bother, they will no longer have to expend labour and resources on a replicant assembly line. But... replicants spontaneously exploring their feelings for each other, having replicant intercourse, nine months of pregnancy, then 20 years of physical maturation would be much less efficient numbers wise than cranking out an assembly line product day in day out, regardless of saving a few pennies

they all do seem to think this will somehow change the structure of society on earth, to human disadvantage

I think the Leto character's obsessions may make a bit more sense (philosophically) if you compare with Scott's two new Alien films, which are more interested in the android lifeform than the alien. The opening sequence of the last Alien film could have just as easily been from Blade Runner as Alien.

Firemass wrote:

The concept of memory implants have already been pretty well discussed in Total Recall.

are there any other examples of Philip K Dick concepts, perhaps from other books, snuck into this new film? I kept looking for versions of the Electric Sheep, or Mercerism, but didn't see either

Firemass wrote:

About the hologram...seriously what the hell was that about? Are they trying to make me believe that Ryan Gosling can't get a real date?

walther p99 wrote:

This is a good point considering every other woman in the film hits on him in some way

so he's got issues relating to his fellow replicants and can only get aroused by a hologram, who hasn't had that problem? as for the human police chief, she was his boss! maybe he felt he was being sexually harassed by a workplace superior and that made him uncomfortable

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Added some new things to my Blade Runner 2049 collection:
1. Hot Topic Blade Runner 2049 T-shirt
2. The art and soul of Blade Runner 2049 book
3. Limited 1st edition BR2049 score
https://s2.postimg.cc/vxu9iljfp/br2049.jpg
https://s2.postimg.cc/5pj4tbmid/brscore.jpg

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Finally got the Johnnie Walker 2049 edition.   It had been stuck in Bonvu since 2017 since they couldn't post it to me.  I had to wait until my trip and mailed it to my US hotel!

Kind of wish I bought one to drink and one to keep sealed!  Anybody drank theirs?


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Drink it. Use the bottle again as an infinity bottle. I'd use a generic synthetic cork in that case.

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Yeah will refill with JW Black  ajb007/martini

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welshboy78 wrote:

Finally got the Johnnie Walker 2049 edition.   It had been stuck in Bonvu since 2017 since they couldn't post it to me.  I had to wait until my trip and mailed it to my US hotel!

Kind of wish I bought one to drink and one to keep sealed!  Anybody drank theirs?


https://s22.postimg.cc/e15a6ug59/C8_E9_C597-0903-4_BCD-810_F-70128_E84_CD0_E.jpg

Glad you got it! I was lucky enough to get 4 bottles. I drank one last year and haven't opened any of the other 3 because I want to savor it and also I've been drinking other things. I was already a fan of JW black but this rendition is smoother and smokier. It's sad that its such a limited item because its a great whiskey and the bottle design is beautiful. Do you have the Blade Runner tumbler glass for when you do drink it?

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Hi

Cool - you got 4 bottles!   How much was retail originally in the US?

Its my 40th in September and my wife keeps nagging what to get me.  Suggested the Cibi BR glasses so I will save the bottle until then  ajb007/lol

Despite owning a load of diff bottles, I drink Black Label most the time since cheap here and save the others for better occasions

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welshboy78 wrote:

Hi

Cool - you got 4 bottles!   How much was retail originally in the US?

Its my 40th in September and my wife keeps nagging what to get me.  Suggested the Cibi BR glasses so I will save the bottle until then  ajb007/lol

Despite owning a load of diff bottles, I drink Black Label most the time since cheap here and save the others for better occasions

I think they were around $75 when first released. Now of course the remaining bottles are fetching ridiculous prices.  Definitely save it until you get the Cibi. It feels wrong to drink it out of any other glass ajb007/lol