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Thunderpussy wrote:

As others have said it all comes down to personal taste. It reminds me of
My mates telling me to avoid the local Korean restuarant as the food was crap.
But I tried the meat balls and they were the Dog's Boll*cks.   ajb007/lol

Good or Bad, I can think of no better way of passing a couple of hours, Than watching
some Bond.
( If I can't get my hands on some Booze, hookers and hard drugs )  ajb007/tongue

that's because they WERE dog's boll*cks - dog is a korean delicacy.

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In the older Bond films there was a lot of Humor. As you seem to like the
older movies, I thought you might've seen the "Joke".   ajb007/lol. I think
everyone else did.  ajb007/biggrin

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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I did  ajb007/martini

1. Ohmss   2. Frwl   3. Op   4. Tswlm   5. Tld   6. Ge  7. Yolt 8. Lald   9. Cr   10. Ltk   11. Dn   12. Gf   13. Qos   14. Mr   15. Tmwtgg   16. Fyeo   17. Twine   18. Sf   19. Tb   20 Tnd   21. Spectre   22 Daf   23. Avtak   24. Dad

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Thunderpussy wrote:

In the older Bond films there was a lot of Humor. As you seem to like the
older movies, I thought you might've seen the "Joke".   ajb007/lol. I think
everyone else did.  ajb007/biggrin

you caught me by surprise - this forum has become so grim and serious and people screeching "don't you go disrespecting me gf" that my funny bone was turned off ajb007/smile

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No Problem, delicious.  ajb007/martini

I think at times it helps to throw in a little nonsence now and agin.To try and
help disperse, or try to curb a heavy dispute before it gets a little too heated.

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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Thunderpussy wrote:

No Problem, delicious.  ajb007/martini

I think at times it helps to throw in a little nonsence now and agin.To try and
help disperse, or try to curb a heavy dispute before it gets a little too heated.

Which is why I struggle with the Craig films - there's no joy and very little humour in them. And as one reviewer said, Bond is now boring - he doesnt even have sex anymore. All the previous Bond films had sex, humour and/or joy in them - but I see little of any of these in the Craig films. As far as I'm concerned you don't try to alter the recipe for Coke or KFC - the last 2 Craig films have very little of the original recipe - taking out the bizarre gadgets was the last straw.

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Your views are as valid as any others. I didn't like QOS but really loved
CR & Skyfall. So I'm happy enough and do feel after QOS there has been
a change, a little more comedy, all the old regulars back in place.
    I wasn't a huge fan of the reboot but I have to say I for one love
the slight change to a lighter touch.
  I was amazed to learn that some hated Roger Moore as Bond. So they
went through hell for many years. I hope you can find something to
like in the new films, as with the huge success . Most of the public seem
to be happy with the new Bond.

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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delicious wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:

No Problem, delicious.  ajb007/martini

I think at times it helps to throw in a little nonsence now and agin.To try and
help disperse, or try to curb a heavy dispute before it gets a little too heated.

Which is why I struggle with the Craig films - there's no joy and very little humour in them. And as one reviewer said, Bond is now boring - he doesnt even have sex anymore. All the previous Bond films had sex, humour and/or joy in them - but I see little of any of these in the Craig films. As far as I'm concerned you don't try to alter the recipe for Coke or KFC - the last 2 Craig films have very little of the original recipe - taking out the bizarre gadgets was the last straw.

If you didn't get the dog nads joke from Thunderpussy, it's no wonder the humour in Craigs films do a flyover. And it's easier to get when written too  ajb007/insane

Times change.  Sex in movies is now OTT and Bond movies will never go to that level, so they have to change.  A Sixties recipe won't work in the modern age, in fact, it will be laughed at.  Audiences want something else.   It has been delivered and with great success.  Bizarre gadgets are cliched and lame for todays audience.  Bond has to move on and change, it always has and that is why it is still going.  You need to accept it and enjoy each interpretation for what it is.  The formula for Bond was never fixed, it has always been evolving, shifting and morphing.

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Asp9mm wrote:
delicious wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:

No Problem, delicious.  ajb007/martini

I think at times it helps to throw in a little nonsence now and agin.To try and
help disperse, or try to curb a heavy dispute before it gets a little too heated.

Which is why I struggle with the Craig films - there's no joy and very little humour in them. And as one reviewer said, Bond is now boring - he doesnt even have sex anymore. All the previous Bond films had sex, humour and/or joy in them - but I see little of any of these in the Craig films. As far as I'm concerned you don't try to alter the recipe for Coke or KFC - the last 2 Craig films have very little of the original recipe - taking out the bizarre gadgets was the last straw.

If you didn't get the dog nads joke from Thunderpussy, it's no wonder the humour in Craigs films do a flyover. And it's easier to get when written too  ajb007/insane

Times change.  Sex in movies is now OTT and Bond movies will never go to that level, so they have to change.  A Sixties recipe won't work in the modern age, in fact, it will be laughed at.  Audiences want something else.   It has been delivered and with great success.  Bizarre gadgets are cliched and lame for todays audience.  Bond has to move on and change, it always has and that is why it is still going.  You need to accept it and enjoy each interpretation for what it is.  The formula for Bond was never fixed, it has always been evolving, shifting and morphing.

Very well stated. delicious, take note!

"Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."

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Asp9mm wrote :

Sex in movies is now OTT

They do frown on it, I myself have been Asked to leave a few screens.  ajb007/wink

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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Personally I think the humour in Skyfall hit exactly the right level. Bond in the novels has a "sardonic" sense of humour - quite dry.

The bit where Bond notes that the only bit of M's office to survive was the bulldog, to which M replies "your interior decorating suggestions are always very much appreciated, 007", is a killer. And all the better for not being too sledgehammer.

"How was your lamb?" "Skewered. One sympathises."

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Charmed & Dangerous wrote:

Personally I think the humour in Skyfall hit exactly the right level. Bond in the novels has a "sardonic" sense of humour - quite dry.

Agreed.  As I said before, I like the way Bond keeps up a running sardonic commentary on all the things going on, which is reminiscent of Connery's first few Bond films.  I also think that Javier Bardem's Silva was both frightening and funny--he almost seems to be spoofing the action ("all this running around is so tiring").  I don't understand this charge that Skyfall is humorless at all.

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Hardyboy wrote:
Charmed & Dangerous wrote:

Personally I think the humour in Skyfall hit exactly the right level. Bond in the novels has a "sardonic" sense of humour - quite dry.

Agreed.  As I said before, I like the way Bond keeps up a running sardonic commentary on all the things going on, which is reminiscent of Connery's first few Bond films.  I also think that Javier Bardem's Silva was both frightening and funny--he almost seems to be spoofing the action ("all this running around is so tiring").  I don't understand this charge that Skyfall is humorless at all.

+1

"Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."

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As I said in my original review, witty and gritty don't go together. The humour in CR worked (Bond with Solange, Bond with Vesper) and also in QoS to an extent (Bond with Camille, but not with Fields) but in SF it was just jarring and out of joint like everything else in the film

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Blackleiter wrote:
Asp9mm wrote:
delicious wrote:

Which is why I struggle with the Craig films - there's no joy and very little humour in them. And as one reviewer said, Bond is now boring - he doesnt even have sex anymore. All the previous Bond films had sex, humour and/or joy in them - but I see little of any of these in the Craig films. As far as I'm concerned you don't try to alter the recipe for Coke or KFC - the last 2 Craig films have very little of the original recipe - taking out the bizarre gadgets was the last straw.

If you didn't get the dog nads joke from Thunderpussy, it's no wonder the humour in Craigs films do a flyover. And it's easier to get when written too  ajb007/insane

Times change.  Sex in movies is now OTT and Bond movies will never go to that level, so they have to change.  A Sixties recipe won't work in the modern age, in fact, it will be laughed at.  Audiences want something else.   It has been delivered and with great success.  Bizarre gadgets are cliched and lame for todays audience.  Bond has to move on and change, it always has and that is why it is still going.  You need to accept it and enjoy each interpretation for what it is.  The formula for Bond was never fixed, it has always been evolving, shifting and morphing.

Very well stated. delicious, take note!

There were  perfectly acceptable love scenes in CR with Solange and of course Vesper.  And CR was made in the 21st century if I'm not very much mistaken.

I do not hanker for Connery's patronising misogyny or Moore's arrogant sleaziness - Dalton and Brosnan did the love and sex scenes best.  Brosnan kissing Wai Lin to feed her oxygen at the climax of TND was a triumph. And in the scene with Elektra in TWINE where he says: "I take pleasure - in great beauty." was exquisite. And DAD's love scenes were OK too - Bond with Miranda Frost where she steals his gun and is revealed a scene later as responsible for his capture by the Koreans.

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The love scene between Bond and Silva was pretty hot.   ajb007/tongue   ajb007/lol

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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Thunderpussy wrote:

The love scene between Bond and Silva was pretty hot.   ajb007/tongue   ajb007/lol

The homophobia of James Bond is one thing that hasn't changed much over the years and needs to. Another gay villain - because being gay is EVIL!  Sigh.

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delicious wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:

The love scene between Bond and Silva was pretty hot.   ajb007/tongue   ajb007/lol

The homophobia of James Bond is one thing that hasn't changed much over the years and needs to. Another gay villain - because being gay is EVIL!  Sigh.

How many homosexual villians is that now ? In 23 films.....get a grip  ajb007/crap

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delicious wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:

The love scene between Bond and Silva was pretty hot.   ajb007/tongue   ajb007/lol

The homophobia of James Bond is one thing that hasn't changed much over the years and needs to. Another gay villain - because being gay is EVIL!  Sigh.

But Silva wasn't gay.  That's quite clear.  He was just trying to throw Bond off his game.  Yet another point of dialogue that's gone straight over your head.

Did you think Bond was Bi-sexual because of his reply?

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Agreed, silva was trying to.unsettle Bond and Bond countered this. Brilliantly.   ajb007/biggrin

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Asp9mm wrote:
delicious wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:

The love scene between Bond and Silva was pretty hot.   ajb007/tongue   ajb007/lol

The homophobia of James Bond is one thing that hasn't changed much over the years and needs to. Another gay villain - because being gay is EVIL!  Sigh.

But Silva wasn't gay.  That's quite clear.  He was just trying to throw Bond off his game.  Yet another point of dialogue that's gone straight over your head.

Did you think Bond was Bi-sexual because of his reply?


What is clear is that homosexuality have never been portrayed in a positive light in the entire history of the Bond franchise but there are lots of negative moments. Kleb, Wynt and Kyd, and now Silva. I dont care if Silva was gay or not, it was an unhelpful scene.

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delicious wrote:

What is clear is that homosexuality have never been portrayed in a positive light in the entire history of the Bond franchise but there are lots of negative moments. Kleb, Wynt and Kyd, and now Silva. I dont care if Silva was gay or not, it was an unhelpful scene.

I agree with you....just like when Goldfinger gassed the hoodlums....I mean, he wasn't gay either but it was unhelpful  ajb007/rolleyes

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delicious wrote:
Asp9mm wrote:
delicious wrote:

The homophobia of James Bond is one thing that hasn't changed much over the years and needs to. Another gay villain - because being gay is EVIL!  Sigh.

But Silva wasn't gay.  That's quite clear.  He was just trying to throw Bond off his game.  Yet another point of dialogue that's gone straight over your head.

Did you think Bond was Bi-sexual because of his reply?


What is clear is that homosexuality have never been portrayed in a positive light in the entire history of the Bond franchise but there are lots of negative moments. Kleb, Wynt and Kyd, and now Silva. I dont care if Silva was gay or not, it was an unhelpful scene.

How ridiculous.  Do you actually think through your answers before you type them.  Because they make no sense whatsover.  It's just arguing for arguments sake, without any clear reason for doing so.

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Asp9mm wrote:
delicious wrote:
Asp9mm wrote:

But Silva wasn't gay.  That's quite clear.  He was just trying to throw Bond off his game.  Yet another point of dialogue that's gone straight over your head.

Did you think Bond was Bi-sexual because of his reply?


What is clear is that homosexuality have never been portrayed in a positive light in the entire history of the Bond franchise but there are lots of negative moments. Kleb, Wynt and Kyd, and now Silva. I dont care if Silva was gay or not, it was an unhelpful scene.

How ridiculous.  Do you actually think through your answers before you type them.  Because they make no sense whatsover.  It's just arguing for arguments sake, without any clear reason for doing so.

Rather than attacking me personally, please explain what is ridiculous about my post. But before you do so please check out the following lnk: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112651/. The Celluloid Closet is a documentary about the history of homosexuality in cinema - it even mentions Wynt and Kyd at one point.

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Try Sinclair McKay's The Man with the Golden Touch: How the Bond Films Conquered the World, which argues that Diamonds Are Forever revels in gayness for the sake of FUN, not to degrade and demean homosexuals.  At any rate, I don't understand what you mean by "unhelpful," delicious. . .Bardem made Silva a complicated villain--not one-dimensional evil--and I feel that everything he showed was a new wrinkle.  The moment you refer to helped make him an interesting character.

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