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Moore was actually the first choice for Bond before Connery took the Role.

1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger

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AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

Moore was actually the first choice for Bond before Connery took the Role.

As I understand, Roger Moore was one of numerous actors considered for the role of Bond. He was not the first choice, he was not approached or offered the role.

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DEFIANT 74205 wrote:

Because that's the way it was written. Yes, some of Fleming's plots were over the top too, but there's a difference between an over-the-top plot and an actor who doesn't take the character seriously. Fleming's Bond wasn't written to be a comedian, his version of Bond are meant to be adult adventures. Dalton has got it right by having read all of Fleming's novels before portraying the role of Bond, so he was in a position to understand and respect the character that Fleming created.

Sorry if you find followin g parts offensive, but I really have enough of all that Dalton-fanboy-dome and the connected myth-building.

1. It may be that Dalton read all Bond novels, but I am sure, that Connery, Moore and Brosnan prepared themselfs for the role by reading some of the novels as well.
So emphasizing this fact and repeating it on and on is simply marketing - nothing more and nothing less!
It does not make him a better actor and the others less.

2. Moore Bonds are NOT comedies! They are pure cinetop from the 70s and 80s, they are made for entertainment! If EON would have gone the more serious approach at that time, I am well sure, that their tanker would have been grounded!

3. The line of command for changing the direction of a movie series does not start with the main actor!
Usually that decision is done by the producers, then they brief the screenwriters and the director, the main roles are casted according to these orders and the main actor has to play what they are telling him.
He certainly does not tell a director or a producer what he plays or not!

So if people want to blame Moore for a "respectless" treatment of IFs treasure is as false as praising Dalton for doing the opposite. IMO, Dalton had the most ridiculous gadgets, think of the whistle-operated keyhanger the laser-hubcaps or the x-ray camera or the wheelie with the tanker.
Admittedly the Tarzan yell was a lowpoint for the Roger-Bond but I am told, that MGM-EON themselfs and Glen wanted it to happen.

So if people want to criticize Moore, they should more criticize the producers or the cinema audience going for a certain direction. And if I see the box office numbers for LTK, I know who brought the audiences to Bond and it was certainly not Dalton!

Rant over!

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Firemass wrote:

Even the anti-Moore crowd will grudgingly add that one to their top 10 list because it's so legit.

It's not in MY top ten, and I like TMWTGG better. ajb007/biggrin

Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool. Craig is too.
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Bondtoys wrote:

A year ago, I was in front of the Grauman Theatre at the Hollywood Walk of fame and watched Connery's hand- and footprints there.

A nice worker from there started chatting with me and soon I told him, that I was a Bond fan. He told me, that they had a lot of events involving all kind of moviestars and Roger Moore was their all-favorite.

Imo, this says a lot about the man. It's not what the press says, it's what the normal people say and how you treat them.

He did not have anything kind to say about Connery though  ajb007/biggrin

If I was looking for a friend it would be Moore over Connery any day, but If I was looking for James Bond...

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Firemass wrote:

Another rant of mine concerns A View to a Kill.  Absolutely boggles my mind that this film is so unpopular. I consider it the best Bond film of the 80's and one of the high water marks of the series.  Javrio let's have a drink sometime ajb007/wink

Yep, totally agree. I've heard all the reasons why people don't like AVTAK, but these reasons hardly effect my enjoyment of it, and the good points about the film more than make up for them. Yes, we should have that drink  ajb007/martini

1 - Avtak, 2 - Op, 3 - Ltk, 4 - Lald, 5 - Fyeo, 6 - Ohmss, 7 - Sf, 8 - Dn, 9 - Ge, 10 - Daf, 11 - Tmwtgg, 12 - Tswlm, 13 - Mr, 14 - Tld, 15 - Yolt, 16 - Sp, 17 - Gf, 18 - Frwl, 19 - Dad, 20 - Qos, 21 - Tnd, 22 - Twine, 23 - Tb, 24 - Cr

1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby

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Handsome, yes, but dangerous? Not really!

Firemass wrote:
AdamOmega wrote:

Sir Roger is, and will likely be, my absolute favorite Bond. I was born in the 1990's with Pierce Brosnan as Bond, yet it was Roger Moore's portrayal that I found particularly admirable. His Bond is the consummate gentleman; charming, romantic, yet able to hold his own in a fight. His brand of Bond preferred wits over weapons, love over conflict, and when he delivered those one-liners he really hit the nail on the head. Moore played a wonderfully deceptive Bond; as he pointed out with that particular fish in Stromberg's aquarium in The Spy Who Loved Me, "handsome but deadly".

There is a popular criticism that Moore holds nothing over Connery, yet when push came to shove, Octopussy emerged the unsung hero over Never Say Never Again in 1983. Moore proved that Bond didn't have to be restricted to balled-up-fists and ruthlessness, and it was his refusal to imitate Sean Connery that contributed to his success in the role. Certainly there have been many great actors to play Bond in the last fifty years, but Moore will always be the one I look up to.

ajb007/martini


Very well put Adam. I agree 100%.

"Handsome but deadly" is one of my favorite quotes.

"Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."

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blackleiter I have two words for you: "celebrate diversity"

wouldn't it be boring if we all liked the exact same stuff? seeing as this is a FAN site, we should be able to post admiration for our favorites without having to endure your constant put downs.

"Please don't try to follow me"

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Firemass wrote:

blackleiter I have two words for you: "celebrate diversity"

wouldn't it be boring if we all liked the exact same stuff? seeing as this is a FAN site, we should be able to post admiration for our favorites without having to endure your constant put downs.

CORRECT

“The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. "
-Casino Royale, Ian Fleming

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Firemass wrote:

blackleiter I have two words for you: "celebrate diversity"

wouldn't it be boring if we all liked the exact same stuff? seeing as this is a FAN site, we should be able to post admiration for our favorites without having to endure your constant put downs.

Blackleiter is secretly a Roger Moore Bond admirer. He just won't admit it in public.  ajb007/biggrin

And I agree, "celebrate diversity" It would be boring if we all liked the exact same stuff. Also, the different portrayals that each of the actors has brought to the role of Bond, and the different styles of the films has for me been one of the series greatest strengths.

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Firemass wrote:

blackleiter I have two words for you: "celebrate diversity"

wouldn't it be boring if we all liked the exact same stuff? seeing as this is a FAN site, we should be able to post admiration for our favorites without having to endure your constant put downs.

And under your 'same flag' of 'celebrating diversity' Blackleiter has every right to offer his opinion also...that is what a discussion is all about...not just ten people all saying "yes, you are right"....I'm sure you understand this...

YNWA: Justice For The 96

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Bondtoys wrote:

1. It may be that Dalton read all Bond novels, but I am sure, that Connery, Moore and Brosnan prepared themselfs for the role by reading some of the novels as well.
So emphasizing this fact and repeating it on and on is simply marketing - nothing more and nothing less!
It does not make him a better actor and the others less.

If he did, he never showed it on screen. In a quote attributed to him in IMDB, he allegedly said that Bond is just "a great big comic strip". He even suggested that it was silly to take Bond too seriously. That tells you how seriously he was taking it ...  ajb007/rolleyes

Bondtoys wrote:

2. Moore Bonds are NOT comedies!

Could've fooled me.

Bondtoys wrote:

3. The line of command for changing the direction of a movie series does not start with the main actor!
Usually that decision is done by the producers, then they brief the screenwriters and the director, the main roles are casted according to these orders and the main actor has to play what they are telling him.
He certainly does not tell a director or a producer what he plays or not!

Directors, producers, writers etc all play to the actor's strengths. If Dalton had been Bond in the 1970s they wouldn't have done that, because Dalton would've looked uncomfortable (and therefore unnatural) in that sort of a role. Yes, they may have wanted Bond to go down that direction (which is a damn shame), but they hired Moore to play the character because Moore can pull off a "funny" Bond better than any other actor who have played him.

Blackleiter wrote:

Handsome, yes, but dangerous? Not really!

Agreed.

To me, Moore never looked like he could kill someone. He never looked "dangerous" in the way that the literary Bond did, or in the same way that Connery or Dalton did. In both appearance and mannerism, Moore was the consummate gentleman, in complete contrast to the cruel and dangerous looks of the literary Bond.

"Watch the birdie, you bastard!"

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DEFIANT 74205 wrote:

In both appearance and mannerism, Moore was the consummate gentleman, in complete contrast to the cruel and dangerous looks of the literary Bond.

Agreed.

Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool. Craig is too.
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He's still the man though

“The scent and smoke and sweat of a casino are nauseating at three in the morning. "
-Casino Royale, Ian Fleming

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Thank you, Sir Miles, for saving me the trouble. I absolutely agree that we should celebrate the diversity of opinions about the Bond films, the Bond actors, the Bond girls, etc. Anyone who is familiar with my posts knows that I am a huge Connery and Craig fan, and I think Dalton was a terrific Bond as well. I have a soft spot for some of the lower rated films, such as YOLT and DAF. I didn't hate Madonna's title song for DAD and I think Halle Berry is one of the hottest of all Bond girls. These are just examples of opinions I have that aren't necessarily widely shared. However, it's not a problem for me when other Bond fans disagree because I realize that different opinions are what this forum is all about. Sure, if someone puts down one of my faves I might offer a defense, but that's not the same as expressing outrage that someone disagrees with me. And I have absolutely no problem with those who vehemently support their favorites (and besides, even if I did have a problem with it, why should anyone care?) So let me try to clear up any misunderstanding. I am a James Bond film fan through and through. Every Bond film featuring every Bond actor is in my collection in several different formats, and I have watched them all several dozen times (that includes AVTAK, by the way) I wouldn't be here among you if I wasn't such a fan.  I might rub some folks the wrong way with my put downs of their favorites, which I try to do in a light-hearted way and sometimes completely in jest. If you are offended by that, it is certainly not my intention to offend. So take it easy, folks, we're all friends here. Right?

Sir Miles wrote:
Firemass wrote:

blackleiter I have two words for you: "celebrate diversity"

wouldn't it be boring if we all liked the exact same stuff? seeing as this is a FAN site, we should be able to post admiration for our favorites without having to endure your constant put downs.

And under your 'same flag' of 'celebrating diversity' Blackleiter has every right to offer his opinion also...that is what a discussion is all about...not just ten people all saying "yes, you are right"....I'm sure you understand this...

"Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."

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Blackleiter wrote:

Thank you, Sir Miles, for saving me the trouble. I absolutely agree that we should celebrate the diversity of opinions about the Bond films, the Bond actors, the Bond girls, etc. Anyone who is familiar with my posts knows that I am a huge Connery and Craig fan, and I think Dalton was a terrific Bond as well. I have a soft spot for some of the lower rated films, such as YOLT and DAF. I didn't hate Madonna's title song for DAD and I think Halle Berry is one of the hottest of all Bond girls. These are just examples of opinions I have that aren't necessarily widely shared. However, it's not a problem for me when other Bond fans disagree because I realize that different opinions are what this forum is all about. Sure, if someone puts down one of my faves I might offer a defense, but that's not the same as expressing outrage that someone disagrees with me. And I have absolutely no problem with those who vehemently support their favorites (and besides, even if I did have a problem with it, why should anyone care?) So let me try to clear up any misunderstanding. I am a James Bond film fan through and through. Every Bond film featuring every Bond actor is in my collection in several different formats, and I have watched them all several dozen times (that includes AVTAK, by the way) I wouldn't be here among you if I wasn't such a fan.  I might rub some folks the wrong way with my put downs of their favorites, which I try to do in a light-hearted way and sometimes completely in jest. If you are offended by that, it is certainly not my intention to offend. So take it easy, folks, we're all friends here. Right?

Sir Miles wrote:
Firemass wrote:

blackleiter I have two words for you: "celebrate diversity"

wouldn't it be boring if we all liked the exact same stuff? seeing as this is a FAN site, we should be able to post admiration for our favorites without having to endure your constant put downs.

And under your 'same flag' of 'celebrating diversity' Blackleiter has every right to offer his opinion also...that is what a discussion is all about...not just ten people all saying "yes, you are right"....I'm sure you understand this...

Yes I sincerely hope so.

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ajb007/martini

zaphod wrote:
Blackleiter wrote:

Thank you, Sir Miles, for saving me the trouble. I absolutely agree that we should celebrate the diversity of opinions about the Bond films, the Bond actors, the Bond girls, etc. Anyone who is familiar with my posts knows that I am a huge Connery and Craig fan, and I think Dalton was a terrific Bond as well. I have a soft spot for some of the lower rated films, such as YOLT and DAF. I didn't hate Madonna's title song for DAD and I think Halle Berry is one of the hottest of all Bond girls. These are just examples of opinions I have that aren't necessarily widely shared. However, it's not a problem for me when other Bond fans disagree because I realize that different opinions are what this forum is all about. Sure, if someone puts down one of my faves I might offer a defense, but that's not the same as expressing outrage that someone disagrees with me. And I have absolutely no problem with those who vehemently support their favorites (and besides, even if I did have a problem with it, why should anyone care?) So let me try to clear up any misunderstanding. I am a James Bond film fan through and through. Every Bond film featuring every Bond actor is in my collection in several different formats, and I have watched them all several dozen times (that includes AVTAK, by the way) I wouldn't be here among you if I wasn't such a fan.  I might rub some folks the wrong way with my put downs of their favorites, which I try to do in a light-hearted way and sometimes completely in jest. If you are offended by that, it is certainly not my intention to offend. So take it easy, folks, we're all friends here. Right?

Sir Miles wrote:

And under your 'same flag' of 'celebrating diversity' Blackleiter has every right to offer his opinion also...that is what a discussion is all about...not just ten people all saying "yes, you are right"....I'm sure you understand this...

Yes I sincerely hope so.

"Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."

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Having just read The Scarlet Pimpernel, in the UK I'd say we have a tradition of the lazy, complacent looking fop who nonetheless outsmarts Johnny Foreigner, and Moore fit right into that. Not a universal taste, I'll admit.

"This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

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Napoleon Plural wrote:

Having just read The Scarlet Pimpernel, in the UK I'd say we have a tradition of the lazy, complacent looking fop who nonetheless outsmarts Johnny Foreigner, and Moore fit right into that. Not a universal taste, I'll admit.

And palpably not James Bond

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http://inafferrabileleslie.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/scarletpimpernel.jpg

"Zounds my man! I'm not sure it's any of your business to say who or who is not this demmed fellow James Bond..."

"This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

Roger Moore 1927-2017

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Here is a top 50 Bond moments clip, splendidly edited - but not much Moore in it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzCLvKdzwMU

"This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

Roger Moore 1927-2017

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been blogging each Bond film individually since receiving Bond 50 Blu Ray. I'm through View to a Kill. Here's the link and all other blog posts can be found on my site:

http://toddmthatcher.wordpress.com/2013 … to-a-kill/

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AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

Moore was actually the first choice for Bond before Connery took the Role.

I've heard varying reports of this. However, check out this excerpt from John Glen's book For My Eyes Only:

"Cubby told me that Fleming had always seen Roger Moore as James Bond and took a while to be won over by Sean Connery.
Fleming's Bond was something of an upper crust figure, a former public schoolboy with a taste for the finer things in life. Sean Connery had enjoyed incredible success in the role -- partly because he introduced a rough element which co-existed with Fleming's characterization- but Roger's interpretation was probably a little closer to what Fleming had in mind."

-John Glen, Pg 156

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Napoleon Plural wrote:

Here is a top 50 Bond moments clip, splendidly edited - but not much Moore in it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzCLvKdzwMU

thanks for the link. However, i found the opposite to be true regarding both your statements. there was plenty of Roger Moore- era clips including opening the montage with Zorin's death from AVTAK and closing with the ski jump from TSWLM.

As for the editing, it was god awful. There was no real structure and the theme music rarely matched the film clips. Did a high school student put these together at random? The OHMSS title song kicks in during the Moonraker PTS scene? Baffling. Are they implying Zorin was #50 and the ski jump was #1? Beats me!  And I would hardly consider M's lecture in Goldeneye anywhere near the top 50. 

However, another IGN video Top 007 Coldest Bond Kills was much better conceived. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRfLxfz … n&NR=1

and since this is a Roger Moore thread you will all be delighted to know that he had two appearances at 5th (FYEO) and 3rd (TSWLM)

My own thoughts:

Killing Professor Dent should have been #1. 

Shooting Stromberg in cold blood at the dinner table should have been included on the list.

Both Brosnan moments were spot on. Great scenes.

Casino Royale...he gets shot with a silenced pistol and it topples him backwards out of the chair? lol even if it was a .44 magnum the bullet still wouldn't blow him backwards. The bullet would pass through the body instantly and he would slump over dead most likely.

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Ah well, I sort of meant not much of Moore in person, plenty of clips from the films, action scenes where you could almost imagine it's Craig, the stuntman doing his thing.   ajb007/smile

"This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

Roger Moore 1927-2017