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Moore Than wrote:
Charmed & Dangerous wrote:

Moneypenny's bullet hits him in the shoulder - again you can see the long scar when he's looking in the mirror in Turkey, while he's 'enjoying death'.

(Eve) Moneypenny's bullet hit Bond in the ribs. He mentions it to her when they meet up again at the new MI6. Words to the effect, "Just the ribs, no vital organs".

I stand corrected  ajb007/rolleyes

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I really wanted to like this movie - Unfortunately...It just didn't happen for me.  After watching it, I consider it one of the worst Bond movies. Casino Royale is Craig's best Bond film - However, I still think he sucks as a Bond. It seems with the success of the Batman movies (Nolan) - many movies try to head in that same direction - serious and dark.  It seems like all the fun has been taken out of the Bond movies since Craig came aboard. The whole idea of Bond is larger than life - fast cars, high life, sophistication, women...etc - all men want to be Bond.  The Craig era movies just don't have the fun and excitement. One thing about the Bond movies that I enjoy is that I can watch them over and over and never get sick of them. They are true classics in my eyes and always a joy...that is....until Craig took over the role. His movies just arent that interesting and fun....they are the only movies in the collection that don't get re-played. I hope we get some new direction in the upcoming films.

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I´d put Skyfall somewhere between the excellent CR and disappointing QoS. Skyfall just lacks great memorable moments such as Moore skydiving with skis on, underwater Lotus, Goldfinger girl...
Skyfall is still better than the Brosnan films though ajb007/martini

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I can't seem to warm up to this one. I was a bit disappointed after the first viewing, a bit more after the second and now that I have seen it on DVD I think it falls somewhere in the middle tier in my top 23. It is a beautifully made film, great acting by the main actors and some very cool scenes. However, to me this film feels like less than a sum of its parts for some reason.

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Another plothole here, one of so many:

http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_540_ … es_p29/#26

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http://www.ajb007.co.uk/topic/39347/sky … rs/page/9/

ajb007/lol   I too spotted this little flaw. ( I sure as Many others did )

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The Domino Effect wrote:
hoppimike wrote:

All we have left are clichés and what appears to be a dying series.

If you mean the fact that Skyfall was one of the biggest grossing films of the year last year, the biggest grossing Bond film of all time and got some of the best critics' reviews of any Bond film, then I guess it is indeed a 'dying series.'


It may have done all that fair enough but its a dumbed down version of Bond to try and grab wider audiences. It has forgotten its roots and what Bond is all about just so it can make $$$. Its a totally new Bond. A dumbed down, diluted version that probably makes Sean Connery embarrassed to be part off

STOP IT! Your like....boys with toys!

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forenglandjames wrote:
The Domino Effect wrote:
hoppimike wrote:

All we have left are clichés and what appears to be a dying series.

If you mean the fact that Skyfall was one of the biggest grossing films of the year last year, the biggest grossing Bond film of all time and got some of the best critics' reviews of any Bond film, then I guess it is indeed a 'dying series.'


It may have done all that fair enough but its a dumbed down version of Bond to try and grab wider audiences. It has forgotten its roots and what Bond is all about just so it can make $$$. Its a totally new Bond. A dumbed down, diluted version that probably makes Sean Connery embarrassed to be part off

Not that I agree, but I am sure quite a few (notably those that regard themselves as Fleming purists) would argue that we've been served a dumbed down, diluted version of Bond since You Only Live Twice, with a few exceptions.

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Moore Than wrote:
forenglandjames wrote:
The Domino Effect wrote:

If you mean the fact that Skyfall was one of the biggest grossing films of the year last year, the biggest grossing Bond film of all time and got some of the best critics' reviews of any Bond film, then I guess it is indeed a 'dying series.'


It may have done all that fair enough but its a dumbed down version of Bond to try and grab wider audiences. It has forgotten its roots and what Bond is all about just so it can make $$$. Its a totally new Bond. A dumbed down, diluted version that probably makes Sean Connery embarrassed to be part off

Not that I agree, but I am sure quite a few (notably those that regard themselves as Fleming purists) would argue that we've been served a dumbed down, diluted version of Bond since You Only Live Twice, with a few exceptions.

Actually I think this bond is much more human and gritty obviously when Fleming wrote his books the world was a different place
and the likes of the smarmy dapper gent no longer fits in our societies today. I think alot of the earlier bond films had a lot of tongue-in-cheek humor bordering on the carry on films. Yes Skyfall was flawed with plot holes but Craig as a 21st century bond  works for me and the styling was excellent

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I agree, and I think the notion that Skyfall is somehow "dumbed down" is nonsense. Different doesn't mean "dumbed down", but apparently some folks have an issue with change. That's their perogative, of course, but I think they are largely missing the point.

Andrew Craig wrote:
Moore Than wrote:
forenglandjames wrote:

It may have done all that fair enough but its a dumbed down version of Bond to try and grab wider audiences. It has forgotten its roots and what Bond is all about just so it can make $$$. Its a totally new Bond. A dumbed down, diluted version that probably makes Sean Connery embarrassed to be part off

Not that I agree, but I am sure quite a few (notably those that regard themselves as Fleming purists) would argue that we've been served a dumbed down, diluted version of Bond since You Only Live Twice, with a few exceptions.

Actually I think this bond is much more human and gritty obviously when Fleming wrote his books the world was a different place
and the likes of the smarmy dapper gent no longer fits in our societies today. I think alot of the earlier bond films had a lot of tongue-in-cheek humor bordering on the carry on films. Yes Skyfall was flawed with plot holes but Craig as a 21st century bond  works for me and the styling was excellent

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl … FWfg__wKSY

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Napoleon Plural wrote:

Another plothole here, one of so many:

http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_540_ … es_p29/#26

Maybe Bond has one of those new-fangled gadgets in his car called a garage door opener (also works to close the door).  Or maybe there's an electric eye  that sensed the car as it left and closed the door automatically.  Or maybe there a sensor in the floor that did the same thing. 

OTOH, it would've been entertaining watching Bond tell M to get off her fat arse and close the garage door.

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Mabey that's why she complained the DB5 was Uncomfortable.
She was sitting on Bond's garage door opener  all the time.  ajb007/biggrin
and Bond was too polite to ask her to Move her Arse.
Mystery Solved.   ajb007/lol

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"SKYFALL" turned out to be a major disappointment for me.  I had expected this movie to be really something.  Instead . . . dear God.

One, the screenplay is awful and full of plot holes.  Javier Bardeem chewed the scenery just a bit too much.  The female characters - including M - get short shifted.  M was portrayed as an incompetent boob, who managed to be the only who figured out that her enemy was a former MI6 agent.  Poor Severine's appearance was a waste of time and an embarrassment.  And the screenplay's handling of Eve Moneypenny really annoyed me to no end.  And how in the hell did a MI6 field agent end up with a list of NATO agents on his laptop hard drive?

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L Jones wrote:

And how in the hell did a MI6 field agent end up with a list of NATO agents on his laptop hard drive?

The agent had just stolen the "NOC list" from a high-security CIA computer room in Langley, Virginia.  ajb007/biggrin

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Amazing, isn't it? Especially since every other Bond film is so logical and realistic! ajb007/confused

L Jones wrote:

"SKYFALL" turned out to be a major disappointment for me.  I had expected this movie to be really something.  Instead . . . dear God.

One, the screenplay is awful and full of plot holes.  Javier Bardeem chewed the scenery just a bit too much.  The female characters - including M - get short shifted.  M was portrayed as an incompetent boob, who managed to be the only who figured out that her enemy was a former MI6 agent.  Poor Severine's appearance was a waste of time and an embarrassment.  And the screenplay's handling of Eve Moneypenny really annoyed me to no end.  And how in the hell did a MI6 field agent end up with a list of NATO agents on his laptop hard drive?

"Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."

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As an Englishman , and lifelong Bond fan , I hate to admit that I'd rather watch one of the "Bourne" films  ajb007/frown . .Skyfall had beautiful cinematography, but it didn't feel "exotic" . . . And without that, you don't have a decent Bond film.

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I think maybe the problem was that people were expecting far too much from Skyfall. It's Daniel Craig, not Moses splitting the seas, for heaven's sake. I thought it was a really good Bond film after a long gap in Bond films since 2008 - I for one was glad to see the return of Craig Bond as well as it being one of the best ever James Bond films - it's at number 2 on my personal list.

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SILHOUETTE MAN wrote:

I think maybe the problem was that people were expecting far too much from Skyfall. It's Daniel Craig, not Moses splitting the seas, for heaven's sake. I thought it was a really good Bond film after a long gap in Bond films since 2008 - I for one was glad to see the return of Craig Bond as well as it being one of the best ever James Bond films - it's at number 2 on my personal list.

For some people, it was as if Daniel Craig did nothing short of parting the Red Sea in SF!  With all due respect to you, SM, I can't comprehend how SF could beat out so many fine Bond entries for it to be at anyone's #2 (if it were still April 1st, I would have read something different into what "#2" meant and it would have made sense!  ajb007/lol )

"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....

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Although Skyfall isn't as high up on my list as Number 2, I have seen what I consider to be far worst Bond films listed that high, so anything is possible!

superado wrote:
SILHOUETTE MAN wrote:

I think maybe the problem was that people were expecting far too much from Skyfall. It's Daniel Craig, not Moses splitting the seas, for heaven's sake. I thought it was a really good Bond film after a long gap in Bond films since 2008 - I for one was glad to see the return of Craig Bond as well as it being one of the best ever James Bond films - it's at number 2 on my personal list.

For some people, it was as if Daniel Craig did nothing short of parting the Red Sea in SF!  With all due respect to you, SM, I can't comprehend how SF could beat out so many fine Bond entries for it to be at anyone's #2 (if it were still April 1st, I would have read something different into what "#2" meant and it would have made sense!  ajb007/lol )

"Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."

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SILHOUETTE MAN wrote:

I think maybe the problem was that people were expecting far too much from Skyfall. It's Daniel Craig, not Moses splitting the seas, for heaven's sake. I thought it was a really good Bond film after a long gap in Bond films since 2008 - I for one was glad to see the return of Craig Bond as well as it being one of the best ever James Bond films - it's at number 2 on my personal list.

I just got sick of the "getting old" lines and Bond not really acting like Bond.  We went from conflicted to angst ridden and rather empty shelled husk of a man... while watching, it never really felt like I was watching Bond.

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SILHOUETTE MAN wrote:

I think maybe the problem was that people were expecting far too much from Skyfall. It's Daniel Craig, not Moses splitting the seas, for heaven's sake. I thought it was a really good Bond film after a long gap in Bond films since 2008 - I for one was glad to see the return of Craig Bond as well as it being one of the best ever James Bond films - it's at number 2 on my personal list.

Spot on!
It's number two on my list and i was wondering why people started to dislike it.
I wrote a review on it for IMDb and my title was "Bond is no Shawshank..."
People were expecting too much from this movie, that's the mistake I made with the movie Avatar. If you hype up any Movie it will disapoint you.
But luckily I walked in with my expectations touched and lifted.
So Stop Moaning!
Nah, just kidding, keep going

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Kabraxal wrote:
SILHOUETTE MAN wrote:

I think maybe the problem was that people were expecting far too much from Skyfall. It's Daniel Craig, not Moses splitting the seas, for heaven's sake. I thought it was a really good Bond film after a long gap in Bond films since 2008 - I for one was glad to see the return of Craig Bond as well as it being one of the best ever James Bond films - it's at number 2 on my personal list.

I just got sick of the "getting old" lines and Bond not really acting like Bond.  We went from conflicted to angst ridden and rather empty shelled husk of a man... while watching, it never really felt like I was watching Bond.

Read Raymond Benson's Doubleshot (2000) to see a James Bond not quite himself - this may well have been a partial inspiration for the down-at-heel James Bond that we see in Skyfall.

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James Suzuki wrote:
SILHOUETTE MAN wrote:

I think maybe the problem was that people were expecting far too much from Skyfall. It's Daniel Craig, not Moses splitting the seas, for heaven's sake. I thought it was a really good Bond film after a long gap in Bond films since 2008 - I for one was glad to see the return of Craig Bond as well as it being one of the best ever James Bond films - it's at number 2 on my personal list.

Spot on!
It's number two on my list and i was wondering why people started to dislike it.
I wrote a review on it for IMDb and my title was "Bond is no Shawshank..."
People were expecting too much from this movie, that's the mistake I made with the movie Avatar. If you hype up any Movie it will disapoint you.
But luckily I walked in with my expectations touched and lifted.
So Stop Moaning!
Nah, just kidding, keep going

Yes, well unlike probably the majority of fans on here and elsewhere, I avoided all discussion of the film and its spoilers, so it all felt fresh and great to me. Now I did in fact say that. It remains true.  ajb007/smile

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http://1pumplane.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/lame-horse-3.jpg

A horse, named Skyfall. So answer to OP, yes.

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