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Asp9mm wrote:

Well this still from one of the cut scenes intrigues me....

http://i.movie.as/p/600/86930.jpg

She looks in charge and purposeful here, certainly not being controlled by her bodyguards as they would be in front and behind and close if that were the case.  They look in a subservient position to her.

Good find and good call. My faith in SF may well be renewed!
(But Logan said there IS no renewal...)
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To fly against the grain  ajb007/lol  I really liked the scene and IMHO think it feels very "Fleming " .

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Thunderpussy wrote:

To fly against the grain  ajb007/lol  I really liked the scene and IMHO think it feels very "Fleming " .

Do you understand the chain of command? That's the chain I beat you with for this flippant comment until you get with the program.  ajb007/bond

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I hope I can remember the safety word.                                              This time.  ajb007/lol

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Thunderpussy wrote:

I hope I can remember the safety word.                                              This time.  ajb007/lol

Eta Kooram Nah Smech.

But you're probably Laughing for Chickens....

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chrisisall wrote:
Asp9mm wrote:

Well this still from one of the cut scenes intrigues me....

http://i.movie.as/p/600/86930.jpg

She looks in charge and purposeful here, certainly not being controlled by her bodyguards as they would be in front and behind and close if that were the case.  They look in a subservient position to her.

Good find and good call. My faith in SF may well be renewed!
(But Logan said there IS no renewal...)
ajb007/lol

Why would they cut stuff like this?  It actually does fix one of the problems with the film and if there are more scenes like that then SF could actually be salvaged just by re=editing to be far more coherent.  They need a new cut for this film apparently... wonder if it was ultimately the director's choice or the studio...

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I enjoyed the whole island piece. I must admit I couldn't quite work out her role. However, her death scene was good. I don't think for a moment Bond cared about the waste of Scotch. He's always made light of situations, its a coping mechanism. Very Flemingesque.

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Kabraxal wrote:

and if there are more scenes like that then SF could actually be salvaged just by re=editing to be far more coherent.  They need a new cut for this film apparently...

Indeed....because the film died on its arse ajb007/rolleyes

As others have said....the scene is very 'Flemingesque'....obviously not everybody reads the books...

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Sir Miles wrote:
Kabraxal wrote:

and if there are more scenes like that then SF could actually be salvaged just by re=editing to be far more coherent.  They need a new cut for this film apparently...

Indeed....because the film died on its arse ajb007/rolleyes

Yes, it could have doubled its earnings if it had been edited better... ajb007/wink

Sir Miles, say it's Flemingesque all you want, but it (The death of Severine as shown) left a bad taste in many people's mouths. A hint that she was lying to Bond about her sorry captivity would save the entire movie for me- at least then that's one less person he failed...

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chrisisall wrote:

Sir Miles, say it's Flemingesque all you want, but it (The death of Severine as shown) left a bad taste in many people's mouths.

Needless to say, I'm not Sir Miles, but couldn't you say that a lot of things in Fleming's novels would leave a bad taste in people's mouths?  Felix Leiter maimed, the numerous tortures Bond endures, the murders of some characters, the fact Honeychile Rider had been raped, etc., etc.?  I think there's always been plenty of "rough with the smooth" in the world of James Bond. . .

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Hardyboy wrote:

  I think there's always been plenty of "rough with the smooth" in the world of James Bond. . .

Oh, well, "we gave her a nice honeymoooon" was pretty vile all right, but the difference is, Bond wasn't right there unable to stop it due to self-induced DT's.
There was just too much 'fail' in SF in particular. Taking Severine off the list would make the film considerably more palatable IMO. I *really* wanna find out she was a world-class lying manipulator....

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chrisisall wrote:
Hardyboy wrote:

  I think there's always been plenty of "rough with the smooth" in the world of James Bond. . .

Oh, well, "we gave her a nice honeymoooon" was pretty vile all right, but the difference is, Bond wasn't right there unable to stop it due to self-induced DT's.
There was just too much 'fail' in SF in particular. Taking Severine off the list would make the film considerably more palatable IMO. I *really* wanna find out she was a world-class lying manipulator....


I'm guessing that Mendes was trusting that the audience would figure that she was deceitful when she lured that guy to his death.

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I think she was a classic example of the "Obligatory Sacrificial Lamb"--the good character who is killed by the villain to provide both realism and a personal stake for Bond.  Now, why doesn't Bond do anything?  He's unarmed and surrounded by gunmen: the slightest move he makes would get him killed.  Also, does he know that Silva will shoot Severine?  I don't know.  Frankly, I didn't expect it (I know, I know, there are several here who are claiming they saw it from a mile away--but I wasn't one of them, OK?), and I was a little shocked to see who I thought would be the "Bond Girl" mowed down so quickly.  Maybe Bond didn't see it coming, either.  But once it comes, again, what was he to do?  Attack Silva and get shot down by his men?  Scream, cry, and beat his chest?  His throwaway line shows just how deeply he buries his feelings.  As far as I'm concerned, it's a great sequence.

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Hardyboy wrote:

But once it comes, again, what was he to do?  Attack Silva and get shot down by his men?

It's the film makers who determine what can & can't happen in a filmed situation. They could have done this:

"Suddenly, Bond spotted Severing being marched out, blood tinkling down her lip. He'd seen this march before, he knew what this was leading to. An execution. He glanced at his hand. Still shaking a bit, too much for the twisted William Tell nonsense he imagined was coming from where they were setting her up. Words were coming from Silva's mouth, but Bond didn't hear them, he was too deep into calculations, angles that might save them both. As the gun neared him, he didn't wait for it; he snatched it and shot at Silva's chest. The vest Silva wore saved his life, but he fell back hard. Even before the men began firing, Bond was seeking cover. He caught a glance from Severine as she shrunk behind the rock as best she could. He was being surrounded. Before he could formulate a new plan with what pitifully little he had to work with, the sound of helicopter blades ripped through the air..."

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Woulda, coulda, shoulda. . .I believe in interpreting what's there as opposed to what someone would rather be there.  Which is why I have such a problem with Richard--W and his posts.  But that's another topic.

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Hardyboy wrote:

Woulda, coulda, shoulda. . .I believe in interpreting what's there as opposed to what someone would rather be there.

Fair enough to say.
I'll just interpret it that she was a b***h, and that will make me feel better concerning the whole affair. ajb007/lol  ajb007/martini

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Hardyboy wrote:
chrisisall wrote:

Sir Miles, say it's Flemingesque all you want, but it (The death of Severine as shown) left a bad taste in many people's mouths.

Needless to say, I'm not Sir Miles, but couldn't you say that a lot of things in Fleming's novels would leave a bad taste in people's mouths?  Felix Leiter maimed, the numerous tortures Bond endures, the murders of some characters, the fact Honeychile Rider had been raped, etc., etc.?  I think there's always been plenty of "rough with the smooth" in the world of James Bond. . .

True...you are not me...but at times I wish you were ! And I couldn't have written a better response if I'd had a couple of days to think about it... Thanks ajb007/martini

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Hardyboy wrote:

I think she was a classic example of the "Obligatory Sacrificial Lamb"--the good character who is killed by the villain to provide both realism and a personal stake for Bond.  Now, why doesn't Bond do anything?  He's unarmed and surrounded by gunmen: the slightest move he makes would get him killed.  Also, does he know that Silva will shoot Severine?  I don't know.  Frankly, I didn't expect it (I know, I know, there are several here who are claiming they saw it from a mile away--but I wasn't one of them, OK?), and I was a little shocked to see who I thought would be the "Bond Girl" mowed down so quickly.  Maybe Bond didn't see it coming, either.  But once it comes, again, what was he to do?  Attack Silva and get shot down by his men?  Scream, cry, and beat his chest?  His throwaway line shows just how deeply he buries his feelings.  As far as I'm concerned, it's a great sequence.

Excellent response with which I agree wholeheartedly.  ajb007/martini

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You boys are cold....

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chrisisall wrote:

You boys are cold....

They love only gold...  only gold... They love GOLD!  ajb007/biggrin

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chrisisall wrote:

You boys are cold....

ajb007/biggrin

Yep! That's how we roll! ajb007/biggrin

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Blackleiter wrote:
Hardyboy wrote:

I think she was a classic example of the "Obligatory Sacrificial Lamb"--the good character who is killed by the villain to provide both realism and a personal stake for Bond.  Now, why doesn't Bond do anything?  He's unarmed and surrounded by gunmen: the slightest move he makes would get him killed.  Also, does he know that Silva will shoot Severine?  I don't know.  Frankly, I didn't expect it (I know, I know, there are several here who are claiming they saw it from a mile away--but I wasn't one of them, OK?), and I was a little shocked to see who I thought would be the "Bond Girl" mowed down so quickly.  Maybe Bond didn't see it coming, either.  But once it comes, again, what was he to do?  Attack Silva and get shot down by his men?  Scream, cry, and beat his chest?  His throwaway line shows just how deeply he buries his feelings.  As far as I'm concerned, it's a great sequence.

Excellent response with which I agree wholeheartedly.  ajb007/martini

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Sir Miles wrote:
Kabraxal wrote:

and if there are more scenes like that then SF could actually be salvaged just by re=editing to be far more coherent.  They need a new cut for this film apparently...

Indeed....because the film died on its arse ajb007/rolleyes

As others have said....the scene is very 'Flemingesque'....obviously not everybody reads the books...

Because I totally confusing artistic success with commercial success....  and I have read the books.  My main problem with the scene is that she comes across as an innocent as edited, he does nothing to save her, then after she is dead snaps into super spy mode showcasing that he could have easily tried and probably succeeded in saving her.  This film had a lot of pacing and editing issues that kept it from being enjoyable to me.  There is a reason I have it at the bottom of my list of Bond films... it is the only one I haven't been able to rewatch after the initial viewing.  In fact, that scene is as far as I've gotten since before I turn it off in disgust.

I know that isn't a popular opinion around here though.

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Kabraxal wrote:

Then after she is dead snaps into super spy mode showcasing that he could have easily tried and probably succeeded in saving her.

I know that isn't a popular opinion around here though.

Don't worry, you are not alone.
I totally agree on your points - finding some parts of SF also pretty weak and I am not too excited to see it very soon again on BR

However, it's miles better than QoBS

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On the basis that I can't suspend disbelief in either QoS or SF, I'd go with SF cos there's more in it, more scope, more up on the screen. But only just.

Back on topic, there's an easy way to make the scene work. Make Severine less sympathetic. She should be like Miss Tao in Dr No. Her attraction to Bond is lust; when she sees him across the void for the first time it should be erotic intrigue, sultry promise and all that. She is, let's not forget, a bad girl being in on an assassination. Problem is, as Bond did nothing to stop it it all seems morally a bit muddled by this point.

Either by miscasting or bad direction, Severine's first glimpse seems rather wistful and romantic so when Bond also says, hey, I can save you, we're inclined to believe it if we're of a romantic bent, so we feel just as betrayed as she does at the turn of events. Throw in the fact that Bond is dumb enough to visit this villain who is flagged up as some Hannibel Lector/Dracula hybrid without even a pistol and it's unfortunate that Severeine's death scene become the only believable moment in the movie - and it's horrible.

But if Severine has basically been a sexy bitch looking to change or upgrade her position in life, well, ok that doesn't seem sympathetic, but the scene would sit more easily with me.

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