Is TWINE an influential film?
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Though TWINE isnt generally regarded as one of the best Bond films ever, its plot and alot of its central ideas have been in recent films. The most obvious being Skyfall, which borrowed alot from TWINE but did it better: Bond injured and his past, attack on MI6, London action scene, as well as scenes in Istanbul and Scotland. Also, the Dark Knight Rises used the female villain hiding behind a facade and using a terrorist as a puppet idea, though im sure its been done before TWINE. Whats your thoughts? and do you think Skyfall used TWINE as a influence?
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For some of my classes, I make students watch Bond pre-title sequences and note the required ingredients, to see which ones are basically just another version of the other. This is in prelude to a much more involved analysis paper. So, Goldfinger, Thunderball, You Only Live Twice, Diamonds are Forever, and The World is Not Enough fall into the same basic formula: Bond on a mission, a violent fight, a duplicitous woman, outrageous gadgets, and jokey lines. From Russia with Love, The Living Daylights, and Live and Let Die, in contrast, do not use this exact set up, but it is used over and over again throughout the series.
I think TWINE does tend to be a little underrated as it does have some very good stuff in it, and as Muston said, we do see more of Bond's character in this film. On the negative side, we do have Denise Richards though...
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I agree.
The theory to go more Dalton is simply laughable - why should anyone do that?
Dalton stood and still stands for a not very bright episode in Bond.
The more Flemingesque approach was often used for various films and all actors - before and after Dalton - nothing to do with him!
Most disappointing in TWINE are the snow scenes imo - they could have done so much better - just have a look at OHMSS and FYEO.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XQvUiIfw8c
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shows his emotions several times. Hence proving once again how Good
Dalton was.
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I am rather impervious to Dalton fanboys X-(
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
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Now, blowing it up with a nuclear bomb may have seemed extravagant, but...well...it is a Bond film. What else would they do?
I agree that the ski attack was weak. The parahawks were a nice Bondian touch, but the problem is they were overkill. One or two snipers that they could not see would have had more tension and been a break from the usual ski chases that have already been done and the avalanche bit was thrown in just to show off the latest Q gadget.
It's the problem the producers faced with the series prior to Craig (and are still dealing with). The audience expects big action set pieces that have a certain quirk unique to the series, but the longer the series goes on, the more it repeats itself and there are only so many ways you can have boat/ski/car, etc. chases without them beginning to look like just another chase. It also doesn't help with the fact there are a ton of other action films doing the same thing.
That's why the parkour chase was thrilling - it was different and really looked dangerous. It's why the attack on Skyfall was different - Bond is being attacked by the enemy with lots of firepower inside a building and he has little to fight back with except his wits. Even the Aston's machine guns only temporarily afforded him some time (and he had to sacrifice the whole bloody car for even that). That's how the writer's need to keep the plots and set pieces fresh and pertinent to modern audiences. Ground them in realistic, geopolitical machinations, keep in the set pieces (but nothing too over the top and keep them extremely tense) - but not too many, and make sure Bond survives more because of his abilities than because of anything cooked up in Q's lab.
Very astute, as usual. -{
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True. It suffers from different things, but if just the editing and action scenes had been handled as they were in the better films, it would have - in my mind - made the film a lot easier to warm to.
SF is to TWINE as NSNA is to TB.
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Sorry chrisisall, I completely disagree.
Much as I like TWINE, Bond's character in The film is nowhere nearly as well explored as in Skyfall. There's far more tension in the latter film, a sense of realism that's missing from most of he preceding films, and IMO Javier Bardem and Berenice Marlohe are presented with a better script from which to bring excellent performances than Robert Carlisle, Sophie Marceau and Denise Richards.
In SF Bond was basically the shut-down hero. Then he came back. A much simpler emotional palate.
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As much as I like TWINE, I'd have to agree that SF overall is a better film.
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