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Topic: Pros and Cons: A View to a Kill

A View to Kill, released in 1985.  Moore's 7th and final Bond film.  It received mixed to negative reviews.  Moore himself said he disliked the film because he was too old for the part and he thought it was too violent.

Pros:

  • Christopher Walken as Max Zorin (plus Dr. Mortner and Mayday).

  • Engineered earthquake to flood Silicon Valley = good plan

  • Epic finale with airplane, rope and golden gate bridge

  • Moore's gentlemanly and fatherly demeanor gave me a warm feeling.

  • The parody and camp (like snowboarding) is ridiculous and fun.

  • Retains the spy elements of older films and epic action elements of later ones.

  • Riotous fun.  Bond hijacking a firetruck and escaping from the cops, and the mine scene.

Cons:

  • The story is a clone of Goldfinger.

  • First half has slow pacing (50 minutes for a horse racing intro)

  • Moore is old, almost a senior citizen.

  • No chemistry with Tanya Roberts.  That ending is cringe.

Overall Thoughts:
This is such a hard movie to assess.  It has a number of great classic moments sandwiched within an overall mediocre film.  In many ways, it was a transition point leading the later films which would be darker and more violent.

Last edited by Absolutely_Cart (19th Sep 2015 19:43)

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I agree with every Point except on Mayday  ajb007/martini

1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger

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You forgot to mention the prettiest plus!

Jenny Flex!!  ajb007/heart  ajb007/heart  ajb007/heart

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President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
-------Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!------
FIRST TO DISCOVER substantial evidence that Chew Mee is in fact not totally nude in the TMWTGG pool scenes!

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Jenny Flex, I'd bow down before her !  ajb007/lol

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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Omega: Explain what you mean.  Are you saying May Day was a bad character?  In my view, she was quite abrasive and challenged my tastes a bit, but I welcomed a difference.  The Bond series has enough Honey Ryders and Pussy Galores.

Higgin/Thunderpussy: Yes, she is quite attractive!

Last edited by Absolutely_Cart (8th Dec 2014 19:26)

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I can never have enough Pu .........  ajb007/wink

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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Thunderpussy wrote:

Jenny Flex, I'd bow down before her !  ajb007/lol

I'd let her  ajb007/biggrin

President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
-------Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!------
FIRST TO DISCOVER substantial evidence that Chew Mee is in fact not totally nude in the TMWTGG pool scenes!

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:

Higgin/Thunderpussy: Yes, she is quite attractive!

Disclaimer: I am in denial to have ANY relations to Thunderpussy, infact I refuse to aknowledge him  ajb007/biggrin

President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
-------Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!------
FIRST TO DISCOVER substantial evidence that Chew Mee is in fact not totally nude in the TMWTGG pool scenes!

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You two are brothers.

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:

Omega: Explain what you mean.  Are you saying May Day was a bad character?  In my view, she was quite abrasive and challenged my tastes a bit, but I welcomed a difference.  The Bond series has enough Honey Ryders and Pussy Galores.

Higgin/Thunderpussy: Yes, she is quite attractive!

I thought that the Character of May Day was well done, and no one else except Grace Jones could of pulled it off. She had a Psychotic Edge to her ajb007/martini

Last edited by AlphaOmegaSin (8th Dec 2014 19:29)

1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger

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More like sisters in Thunderpussys case  ajb007/biggrin

Last edited by Higgins (8th Dec 2014 19:29)

President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
-------Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!------
FIRST TO DISCOVER substantial evidence that Chew Mee is in fact not totally nude in the TMWTGG pool scenes!

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Then where do you disagree?

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Higgins/Thunderpussy, what a hybrid that would be an incredibly
Handsome Bond fan with horrible trainers !  ajb007/lol

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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I'm saying that MayDay was not really underdeveloped as a Character.

1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger

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I also have discovered that I seem to be the only one on AJB
Who finds Mayday attractive.  ajb007/crap

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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I personally don't find May Day attractive, but I think "bond girls" should be judged as people - not sex objects.  Nobody's judging Roger Moore or Christopher Walken on their attractiveness.

I don't think there was anything wrong with May Day.  I just felt like she was one of the most innovative parts of the film and should've had a larger role considering how meh much of the rest of the movie was.

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It makes me wonder who else was considered for the Role of MayDay  ajb007/lol

1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger

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I too am a modern man and try not to objectify, major babes !  ajb007/lol

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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Not much discussion here on the movie itself.  Probably because the movie doesn't dig too deep.  It's a simple kinda-funny escapist action flick with nothing too original or complex going on.

So, discussion on Jenny Flex it is!

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Here's my quick take...

Pros:

  • Fantastic theme song.

  • Visually attractive -- the chateau and San Francisco are great locations.

  • Walken's performance as Zorin -- truly unhinged.

  • Interesting scheme to wreck Silicon Valley.

  • Nice relationship with Tibbett, and the taped mock abuse is truly funny.

Cons:

  • Moore is far too old.

  • The factory fight is the lamest in the whole series.

  • Tanya Roberts is a terrible actress.

  • Grace Jones is not much better.

  • Cheesy stunt sequences (snowboarding to "California Girls", driving half a car, goofy fire engine chase).

  • KGB shoe-horned into the plot, culminating in the ridiculous Pola Ivanova storyline.

  • Chuck Lee is a wet squib -- why not just use Felix?.

  • Creepy dirty-old-man vibe to the ending shower scene.

Verdict:

  • Only DAD keeps AVTAK from being bottom of the barrel.

Hilly...you old devil!

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Felix was going to be in AVTAK originally  ajb007/martini

1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger

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Sir Hillary Bray wrote:

Here's my quick take...
.....[*]Only DAD keeps AVTAK from being bottom of the barrel.[/*]

In your "quick take" - you have forgotten the very bottom of the barrell: DAF  ajb007/wink

President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
-------Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!------
FIRST TO DISCOVER substantial evidence that Chew Mee is in fact not totally nude in the TMWTGG pool scenes!

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Yeah, I liked the scheme to wreck Silicon Valley and create a monopoly on tech.

Except that this is pretty much the same thing that Goldfinger did with gold.

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Higgins wrote:
Sir Hillary Bray wrote:

Here's my quick take...
.....[*]Only DAD keeps AVTAK from being bottom of the barrel.[/*]

In your "quick take" - you have forgotten the very bottom of the barrell: DAF  ajb007/wink

You're both wrong. AVTAK is the very bottom of the barrell! ajb007/biggrin

"Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."

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Although AVTAK is my least favorite Bond movie, I do agree with your following Pros:

Absolutely_Cart wrote:

Pros:

  • Theme song by Duran Duran is full of vigor and life

  • Christopher Walken's performance of the villain Zorin.

  • Great final scene with airplane, rope and golden gate bridge

  • May Day was interesting, albeit a little bit underdeveloped.

"Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."