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He was originally supposed to leave after MR.

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King Kamal wrote:

Cons

  • Moore's age
    Silly KGB/Ivanova sub plot
    Poor MI6 Scenes
    Cringeworthy end scenes
    The Iceberg sub thing
    Fire Engine chase and San Fran cops

Of your list of cons the only ones I can agree with are Moore's age and the fire engine chase. I admit the cops were not great, but still far better than JW Pepper.

Iceberg submarine = Awesome. Love when Bond spots the union jack hatch.

KGB plot = All bad guys must have some connection with the KGB.  ajb007/smile

MI6 scenes = Not sure what you mean, but I love seeing Bond, Q, Moneypenny, and M all dressed up at the horse races.

The briefing in M's office also describes the future plot of Goldeneye, which is pretty cool.

End scene: What's wrong with Bond showering with the lady while being discovered by Q ? Seems pretty standard formula ending.

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I'm not quite sure there was a conspiracy.  Dalton and Brosnan were working on other projects.  Lazenby and Connery were out of the question.  And at the time, I'm sure lots of people who grew up on Moore wanted to keep Moore as their Bond.

Moore probably stayed as long as he did, not because he was better or more important than Connery, but because finding a replacement for Moore wasn't easy.

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:

Moore probably stayed as long as he did, not because he was better or more important than Connery, but because finding a replacement for Moore wasn't easy.

Finding a replacement wasn't easy. But my feeling is that Roger Moore only stayed on as long as he did because Sean Connery returned in Never Say Never Again. Cubby Broccoli could not risk putting a new actor up against Connery. Roger was then given A View To A Kill as a thank you for winning the "Battle of the Bonds"

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ajb007/cheers  I concur ( to quote TMWTGG)  ajb007/wink

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Moore Than wrote:

But my feeling is that Roger Moore only stayed on as long as he did because Sean Connery returned in Never Say Never Again.

Good point.  It was seen as a rivalry.  A new Bond would've been more risky so they hedged their bets with continuing Moore.  Nowadays, people like Connery more than Moore, but from the viewpoint of the early 1980's, Moore was the one doing it and Connery was a memory in the past.

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:
Moore Than wrote:

But my feeling is that Roger Moore only stayed on as long as he did because Sean Connery returned in Never Say Never Again.

Good point.  It was seen as a rivalry.  A new Bond would've been more risky so they hedged their bets with continuing Moore.  Nowadays, people like Connery more than Moore, but from the viewpoint of the early 1980's, Moore was the one doing it and Connery was a memory in the past.

In the UK at least. In the early 1980's all of Sean Connery's six EON films were being regularly broadcast on TV, whereas by that time only three of Roger Moore's were. In those days there was a five year gap between cinema release and TV release. Video recorders/tapes were not yet widely available. So Connery was anything but a memory in that regard. And I believe he was still seen as the quintessential Bond by the majority of the critics, I clearly remember headlines such as "The real Bond is back". And I would say the majority of the public also preferred Connery. Certainly in my neck of the woods, especially the women.

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Moore Than wrote:

So Connery was anything but a memory in that regard. And I believe he was still seen as the quintessential Bond by the majority of the critics, I clearly remember headlines such as "The real Bond is back". And I would say the majority of the public also preferred Connery. Certainly in my neck of the woods, especially the women.

That's my recollection as well. ajb007/martini

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Blackleiter wrote:

That's my recollection as well. ajb007/martini

I concur!
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I wasn't around at the time, so I wouldn't know.  So, like said above, it was a rivalry between the older generation's Bond and the younger generation's Bond.

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:

I wasn't around at the time, so I wouldn't know.  So, like said above, it was a rivalry between the older generation's Bond and the younger generation's Bond.

You were the not-yet generation and thus had no Bond! ajb007/lol

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chrisisall wrote:
Absolutely_Cart wrote:

I wasn't around at the time, so I wouldn't know.  So, like said above, it was a rivalry between the older generation's Bond and the younger generation's Bond.

You were the not-yet generation and thus had no Bond! ajb007/lol

Yup.

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Firemass wrote:

KGB plot = All bad guys must have some connection with the KGB.  ajb007/smile

I concur, the KGB are the ultimate badies and Gogol is one of the best things about the Moore era. There was certainly room in the AVTAK plot to accommodate two opponents for Bond alongside Zorin but in the end they just got poultry screen time and what screen time they did get made them look like idiots (especially Ivanova and her tickly Tchaikovsky)

As for MI6 again I think just a wasted chance, a pretty damp send of for Moneypenny and everyone in general just looked far too old.

The end scene for me just makes Q look like a perv.

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Moore in FYEO: "Put your jacket on, I'll take you out for some ice cream"
Moore in AVTAK: "Come in my van, little girl, there's ice cream inside"

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Pros

•    The interplay between Roger Moore and Patrick Macnee is wonderful
•    The music and theme tune are excellent
•    The fire scenes involving the lift are genuinely scary
•    The scene where Zorin murders his workers is suitably manic
•    Mayday’s remorse at seeing her colleagues is nicely played

Cons

•    The plot is a tepid rehash of Goldfinger
•    Most of the characters (Zorin, Mayday, Pola Ivanova, Dr Mortner) are clichéd, two-dimensional or faintly ridiculous
•    Roger Moore is visibly too old to play Bond
•    There is no chemistry between Moore and Tanya Roberts
•    The pre-credits sequence is dreadful, with the “California Girls” theme, a motorised rock and a crazy-eyed Moore
•    The portrayal of the French characters (the detective and taxi driver) is atrocious and borderline racist
•    There is very little tension and a rather flabby pace
•    Christopher Walken’s acting talents are wasted

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Pros

Zorin is a brilliant villain played brilliantly by Chris Walken.

Great title song from Duran Duran

John Barry's score (apart from the wailling electric guitars) is teriffic..

Moneypenny at the races. ajb007/lol

Cons

The shot of Klottkoff getting chopped up in the pump is out of place in a Roger Moore film.

I would've liked more scenes between Bond and Tibbett.

The writing for Stacey Sutton is all over the place. She's a smart geologist one scene and in the next scene she's getting kidnapped by Zorin in a slow moving blimp

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The emphasis on horse racing doesn't relate to the story.

I thought the old guy who "created" Zorin was some kind of genetecist or something, so he uses the steroids to make the horses win. Plus the horse thing is an "in" for Bond and Tibbet.

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He experimented on pregnant women in WW2 in concentration camps. He was Josef Menengle type character.

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Pro ,John Barrys music
        They hid the zimmer frames well

Cons. everything else.

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Manxman wrote:

Pros

•    The interplay between Roger Moore and Patrick Macnee is wonderful
•    The music and theme tune are excellent
•    The fire scenes involving the lift are genuinely scary
•    The scene where Zorin murders his workers is suitably manic
•    Mayday’s remorse at seeing her colleagues is nicely played

Cons

•    The plot is a tepid rehash of Goldfinger
•    Most of the characters (Zorin, Mayday, Pola Ivanova, Dr Mortner) are clichéd, two-dimensional or faintly ridiculous
•    Roger Moore is visibly too old to play Bond
•    There is no chemistry between Moore and Tanya Roberts
•    The pre-credits sequence is dreadful, with the “California Girls” theme, a motorised rock and a crazy-eyed Moore
•    The portrayal of the French characters (the detective and taxi driver) is atrocious and borderline racist
•    There is very little tension and a rather flabby pace
•    Christopher Walken’s acting talents are wasted

All excellent points. ajb007/cheers

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^ agree

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^ agree

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I'm still trying to figure out May Day's sunglasses in the blimp scene...........

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I really do think that this would have made a great first outing for Dalton.

With a bit of re-writing for his more serious style it would have been a classic, I would have loved to see Dalton's Bond vs Zorin.

It does have a certain fun element with Roger though, even though he is only there half the time.  His stunt doubles are on screen the other half (mind you, he was 57).

I don't know what it is about AVTAK, but for all the hate it gets I adore it ajb007/martini

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Funny thing is that even in HD, I didn't really notice the stunt double.  I guess its because I wasn't paying attention too much on that detail.  I zoned out during some parts of the movie because they were boring lol

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Just keep an eye on any of the action (or even running) scenes, you can clearly see it ain't Roger.

I love it when he falls through the boat roof onto the wedding cake, and gets up totally pristine ajb007/lol  Only Rog could do that!

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