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ajb007/cheers The train fight still looks brutal today, what it must
have looked like to a 60s audience.  ajb007/martini

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Thunderpussy wrote:

ajb007/cheers The train fight still looks brutal today, what it must
have looked like to a 60s audience.  ajb007/martini

I have some small inkling having seen it on the big screen in a triple Bond feature when I was about 13- it moved so fast we could just barely make out what was going on. It must have shocked the Hell out of audiences in '63 though, being possibly the most brutal and vicious fist fights ever up to that point in time. It somewhat reminds me of the short but bloody swordfights in Japanese Samurai moves made in the same era...

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I can only compare it to the likes of westerns
or Cary Grant films of the day. With the odd punch
but no kicking or kidney punches etc. Brilliant fight.  ajb007/martini

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For all of my recent hating on SC, he does an excellent job of coming across as quite primal in that fight. And he somehow keeps the kitch factor low when he uses the attache case. It could have very easily taken an over the top turn.

Thunderpussy wrote:

ajb007/cheers The train fight still looks brutal today, what it must
have looked like to a 60s audience.  ajb007/martini

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There's another great fight in Goldeneye
In the radar dish,  ajb007/martini

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Thunderpussy wrote:

There's another great fight in Goldeneye
In the radar dish,  ajb007/martini

And another good one (though not as brutal) on the cargo net in TLD. The one at the end of LTK is sort of ugly-brutal.
But yeah, the GE one is pretty amazing.

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I like the fights that look like two guys are out to kill
Each other, with no fancy moves just brute force.
The stairway fight in CR is one like that, while the hotel
Fight in QOS is not as good as it's a series of locks and
Counter holds.  ajb007/martini

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Thunderpussy wrote:

the hotel
Fight in QOS is not as good as it's a series of locks and
Counter holds.  ajb007/martini

But they're not REALLY fancy moves. Mostly it was basic knife fighting- cut & let the other guy bleed out... again, fairly ugly. But real fights are fairly ugly. YIKES! Back on topic-
The Bond/Grant fight is an all-time classic forever.

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Thunderpussy wrote:

The stairway fight in CR is one like that

That's the only other fight that I can compare with the FRWL train fight in terms of brutality. Amazing.

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Virgil37 wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:

The stairway fight in CR is one like that

That's the only other fight that I can compare with the FRWL train fight in terms of brutality. Amazing.

I concur! They are hands down the two best brutal fights in the series IMO. ajb007/martini

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I have seen a couple of knife fights and can tell you
They looked nothing like the one in QOS.  ajb007/biggrin
But yes The fight on the train in FRWL is the benchmark
For all others.  ajb007/martini

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Thunderpussy wrote:

I have seen a couple of knife fights and can tell you
They looked nothing like the one in QOS.  ajb007/biggrin

In real life? Surely not between two trained in knife fighting... untrained peeps with knives hunt & peck.

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No two yobs with too much drink ( I did a bit of door work)
Nasty, brutal. On one occasion I had to remove from a " Lady's"
Possession a broken bottle, she was about to introduce to a guys face. ajb007/crap

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TP... you're scaring the ladyfolk... ajb007/rolleyes

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chrisisall wrote:

TP... you're scaring the ladyfolk... ajb007/rolleyes

"Ladyfolk"? He's scaring me!!!! ajb007/lol

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I just watched this one again. (I'm doing a marathon and just watched DN, FRWL and GF) I ALMOST enjoyed it even more than GF this time! (That could be for the reason that I've watched GF a billion times) I think it will defenitely get higher in my personal ranking!

One of FRWL's greatest strengths is it's story, it's based on one of Fleming's best novels and that helps it a lot. The scenes on the Orient Express are still the most entertaining and thrilling of the entire movie. The fight with Grant left me amazed once again, even though I've seen it so many times! I still think the novel did a much better job at explaining the story though. I'm always quite happy to see that Grant explains the whole plot in the train once again, almost to 'recap' what has happened. I've seen the movie a lot, and I've read the novel as well, so to me the story isn't complicated anymore. But I do feel that everytime I watch this movie with a casual Bond fan, they're often quickly puzzled by the complicated storyline, especially early on. I sometimes wish M would have explicity explained that a random girl has fallen in love with Bond, instead of immediatly skipping to "I've never even heared of a Tatiana Romanova..." The novel also explains why Bond and Tatiana didn't take a plane back to London, but the Orient Express instead. The movie leaves that question unawnsered.

Also, on a minor note I almost thought I actually saw this weird mistake in the movie just now. I'm pretty sure I must have seen this wrong, or else I would have heared about this mistake before, but here it is: When Bond and Tatiana get on the Orient Express in Istanbul, they are spotted by the Russian Agent sitting at the table. The other guy sitting at that table looks a lot like Krilenko. (But at that stage he is of course already killed by Bond's sniper) I'm sure I must have seen this one wrong, (I can't think of a reason to make a mistake like that) but he just looked an awful lot like Krilenko!

PROS:
- Great storyline
- Great cast
- Everything on the Orient Express
- One of Connery's best performances
- The Gypsy fight (yes I enjoy that too ajb007/wink )
- The boat scenes

CONS:
- The complicated plot is layed out very quickly in the beginning (especially for casual movie watchers)
- It shows that it's pretty low budget in some parts (but that also has to do with the fact that the movie is over 50 years old)

MINOR complaints:
- Bond waving away the film he throws in the water at the very end
- The Bond theme playing when Bond is only checking his hotel room

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I forgot! Best Bond book/movie title ever.

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Virgil37 wrote:

I forgot! Best Bond book/movie title ever.

Umm, okay. ajb007/martini

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Another thing to add to my previous post. I know that Paula from Thunderball is also the gypsy in FRWL, however I always struggled to see which of the two is actually Paula, they both kind of look like her to be honest! Whenever the one in Red is in the screen I say: thats her. Then they zoom in on the one in green and I start doubting. Which one is Paula?

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Dutchfinger wrote:

Which one is Paula?

The one who looks like Martine Beswick.
Honestly, I'd have to watch that scene again. ajb007/rolleyes

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I have myself been shived (long story... not in jail) and I am far from scared.

chrisisall wrote:

TP... you're scaring the ladyfolk... ajb007/rolleyes

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What about the bathroom fight in CR or the ocean drowning in OHMSS?

Virgil37 wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:

The stairway fight in CR is one like that

That's the only other fight that I can compare with the FRWL train fight in terms of brutality. Amazing.

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VesperMelograno wrote:

What about the bathroom fight in CR or the ocean drowning in OHMSS?

Virgil37 wrote:
Thunderpussy wrote:

The stairway fight in CR is one like that

That's the only other fight that I can compare with the FRWL train fight in terms of brutality. Amazing.

The CR bathroom fight would propably be in the same league, if shot in color and edited without cutting to Bond's second kill. The PTS fight in OHMSS is great, but probably due to the beach setting it's not as brutal. I notice that the most exciting fights are set in very small spaces, as in the FRWL train or CR stairway. They pushed this as far as they could (the elevator in DAF) and more train fights (LALD, TSWLM).

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AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

Pros -

Amazing Locations
Amazing Soundtrack
Bond at his best
Great Cast

Cons

There are none in my Opinion  ajb007/martini

I agree.  This is not just an exceptional Bond film, but it's an exceptional film.

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I had forgotten about the fight at the start of CR in the
Bathroom, VM  ajb007/martini  ( must be an age thing )  ajb007/lol
And agree yes it's equally brutal although I do have
A feeling it was shot in black and white, and in a
Stylised way. To avoid any problems with the
Film board etc.  ajb007/wink

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