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chrisisall wrote:
Dutchfinger wrote:

Which one is Paula?

The one who looks like Martine Beswick.
Honestly, I'd have to watch that scene again. ajb007/rolleyes

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I also thought for 1963, the fight between the girls was also very good
As most other films at the time, would have been very tame.

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I prefer the Film Version to the Novel Version of the Train Fight in FWRL  ajb007/martini

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Another major pro for FRWL, Daniela Bianchi. She is one of the top Bond girls. I can even look past the awkward dubbing.

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Gassy Man wrote:
AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

Pros -

Amazing Locations
Amazing Soundtrack
Bond at his best
Great Cast

Cons

There are none in my Opinion  ajb007/martini

I agree.  This is not just an exceptional Bond film, but it's an exceptional film.

I agree too. What's not to like about From Russia With Love? Nothing, as far as I'm concerned. It is the best Bond film ever made, and one of the best films of any genre, too.

I preferred the ending of the novel over the ending of the film, though. I would've loved a cliffhanger ending, with Bond toppling over after being kicked by Krebb's poison-tipped shoe.

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Brilliant Film, it's in my top five.  ajb007/cheers

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Thunderpussy wrote:

Brilliant Film, it's in my top five.  ajb007/cheers

Yes, but one *MUST* see it in Blu Ray! That gives it a theatrical dimension missing on regular DVD.

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Gassy Man wrote:
AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

Pros -

Amazing Locations
Amazing Soundtrack
Bond at his best
Great Cast

Cons

There are none in my Opinion  ajb007/martini

I agree.  This is not just an exceptional Bond film, but it's an exceptional film.

I agree. ajb007/martini

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Blackleiter wrote:
Gassy Man wrote:
AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

Pros -

Amazing Locations
Amazing Soundtrack
Bond at his best
Great Cast

Cons

There are none in my Opinion  ajb007/martini

I agree.  This is not just an exceptional Bond film, but it's an exceptional film.

I agree. ajb007/martini

How about this: You get your Bond memories temporarily wiped clean, and then are shown each Bond movie in between wiping your memory again. This way you have an honest first-time never before-seen reaction to each movie. Which one would you most positively react to?  My guess is FRWL.

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chrisisall wrote:
Blackleiter wrote:
Gassy Man wrote:

I agree.  This is not just an exceptional Bond film, but it's an exceptional film.

I agree. ajb007/martini

How about this: You get your Bond memories temporarily wiped clean, and then are shown each Bond movie in between wiping your memory again. This way you have an honest first-time never before-seen reaction to each movie. Which one would you most positively react to?  My guess is FRWL.

Goldfinger

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Blackleiter wrote:

Goldfinger

Possibly, but you might also ask why you should care about the flippant fellow you've never seen before. I've actually thought about this... show me TLD that way & I'd probably say, "Yeah, that was okaaaaay." ajb007/rolleyes

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chrisisall wrote:
Blackleiter wrote:

Goldfinger

Possibly, but you might also ask why you should care about the flippant fellow you've never seen before. I've actually thought about this... show me TLD that way & I'd probably say, "Yeah, that was okaaaaay." ajb007/rolleyes

That cool, suave, dangerous, witty, flippant fellow makes for a very appealing movie character - I think that would be my reaction.

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Just watched this again.  The first hour had a lot of filler and got boring at times.  The 2nd hour was excellent, cream of the crop, perfect.  Of course, our modern standards favor denser films and for its time, it probably wasn't too much of a problem.  But I really think it could have shaved 18 minutes off somewhere and stick to the lean 100 minutes.

So, I have a hard time ranking it.  That second half warrants it being in the top half for sure, but I don't think it's consistent enough to get far into top 10 either.

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One man's "filler" is another man's atmosphere, verisimilitude and character-building.

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It's one of my top five Bonds.  ajb007/martini  love the whole set up, of the plan and the
Introductionof the characters.. Bond films don't need  action set pieces
Every ten minutes. ajb007/wink

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Barbel wrote:

One man's "filler" is another man's atmosphere, verisimilitude and character-building.

True.  But was the catfight scene, for example, really 5 minutes of dire necessity?

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Thunderpussy wrote:

It's one of my top five Bonds.  ajb007/martini  love the whole set up, of the plan and the
Introductionof the characters.. Bond films don't need  action set pieces
Every ten minutes. ajb007/wink

Same here. Same order too.

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Please don't think I'm being a smart arse AC.   ajb007/smile  but have you read any of
The books. As the girl fight is a major scene in the novel. So I guess they
Wanted to keep closely to Fleming's story.  To be honest for its time, I think
It was very good, compared to other girl fights in Hollywood  movies of the day.
But of course we all can't like the same thing, so long as there's plenty else in it
To keep you entertained.  ajb007/martini

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Pros;
Everything

Cons;
Errm.. Nope

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:
Barbel wrote:

One man's "filler" is another man's atmosphere, verisimilitude and character-building.

True.  But was the catfight scene, for example, really 5 minutes of dire necessity?

It's a highlight of the novel, and would have been expected by its many readers. It adds to the exotic atmosphere Fleming gave to his work, taking his readers away from ration-book Britain to another place. And it's 2 minutes 26 seconds.

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I'm so glad we have old "Professors of Bond" like Barbel, TP and chris around to teach these youngsters a thing or two about Bond film appreciation!  ajb007/bond

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ajb007/lol   and you too!

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This reply is for Thunderpussy, Barbel and Blackleiter.

I read Casino Royale.  Really enjoyed it.  Film and book are two different mediums, and one cannot be directly translated to the other.  I can't speak of the FRWL book because I haven't read it, but I'm assuming Karim Bey (and the sections associated with him) have much greater significance in the book.

Books are great at telling stories with wide breadth, but movies specifically shine when taking isolated scenes and amplifying them.  They're naturally more minimalist.  That might be why the train section resonated more with me than the Karim Bey bits.  I'm assuming the FRWL book fleshes out Bey very well, but in the movie he's mostly just an cut-and-dry escort for Bond.

Objectivity and subjectivity.  It may be my opinion that there are numerous other films in the series that are more immersive and entertaining, but objectively speaking, From Russia With Love is the most influential and innovative entry next to Goldfinger.  It did represent a crucial moment for the series between the inexperience of Dr. No and the spiciness of Goldfinger.  Some could even view FRWL as the last stand before the films got progressively more silly.

I do feel like I'm being patronized a bit because I'm young.  I don't want to put down any one, but I always try to approach the series with an open mind.  I've seen every single movie with an open mind, and I don't decide to put any particular actor on a pedestal.  I love Craig, Dalton and Moore.  I like Brosnan, Connery and Lazenby.  I enjoy silly movies like Octopussy and I enjoy serious movies like Quantum of Solace.  And as I said before, I enjoy more grounded films like From Russia With Love.

Everything ages, and nothing is perfect of above all others forever.  I don't see anything wrong with viewing through both absolute and relative lenses.  So far, my opinion of FRWL has improved during my 2nd viewing and I would definitely like to watch it again sometime.  It might continue to rise up further, but while my opinions may differ, I've been more than fair in the way I've been going about assessing them.

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:

I do feel like I'm being patronized a bit because I'm young.

For my part in that I do apologize. I *do* tend to treat younger folk a bit differently than those of us who lived through the evolution through the decades... it's a fan-occupational-hazard, I'm afraid.  ajb007/lol

Everything ages, and nothing is perfect of above all others forever.  I don't see anything wrong with viewing through both absolute and relative lenses.  So far, my opinion of FRWL has improved during my 2nd viewing and I would definitely like to watch it again sometime.  It might continue to rise up further, but while my opinions may differ, I've been more than fair in the way I've been going about assessing them.

Yes, I believe you have. And your contributions have been of immense interest & importance here. ajb007/cheers

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chrisisall wrote:

ajb007/cheers

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