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Wasn't Connery asked to do LALD originally?

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I think the film executives tried and on the DVD extras the scriptwriter
Talked to him, but he wasn't interested.
Also there's a milk advert for DAF too.  ajb007/wink

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Number24 wrote:

I find it surprising that no-one has mentioned the scene at the very end: Baron Samdi sitting at the front of the train, ghost-like, laughing in a very sinister way. This is perhaps the strangest and  most striking ending of a Bond Movie.

I concur.  It was funny, creepy, bizarre, just like much of the movie.

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I think on one of the commentaries, it was said to have been put in to show Bond did
not have a total victory ?

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I wonder if EON was planning to bring back Samdi?

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Number24 wrote:

I find it surprising that no-one has mentioned the scene at the very end: Baron Samdi sitting at the front of the train, ghost-like, laughing in a very sinister way. This is perhaps the strangest and  most striking ending of a Bond Movie.

You're totally right. That's one of the things that give the film that eerie feeling I mentioned. The voodoo bringing back the dead perhaps?

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AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

Wasn't Connery asked to do LALD originally?

They tried very briefly to lure him back once more. They could have succeeded, it was a matter of money, but so much that the movies would have suffered.

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Yes, it's probably for the best that he never came back for a second Time  ajb007/martini

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Getting the public to accept the shift from Connery to Moore was difficult.  Thankfully, Moore re-invigorating the series.

I noticed that Connery's act gets a little bit tired each time after Goldfinger.  I was blown away by his acting in the first few, but then he became predictable.  Connery became an old arrogant log. 

It's kind of like seeing the same president on screen for eight years.  We want to trade our car model in for a new one.

But Bond is an icon - not a single isolated character, kind of like Batman.  Being an icon, there's different interpretations and lenses for each generations.  Once Moore took over, he pretty much established that no one person is Bond.   Because Bond is something higher than a single person.

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It slowly over the years became my favorite Moore Bond. Doesn't mean it's his best Bond movie, which probably is TSWLM or his best outing as a professional spy (FYEO). I just like the characters, the look of the film and the fact that it's like a time capsule. And Jane Seymour is very easy on the eyes. ajb007/biggrin

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My pros and cons;

Pros

Great soundtrack from George Martin

Great theme song from Paul Macartney and the Wings.

Great action setpieces, such as the boat chase and the fight with Tee Hee on the train.

Cons

It would've been better if Bond appeared in the PTS. Seeing Roger Moore's name in the titles before his first scene would spoil te mystery for first time viewers of the film.

Rosie Carver is a terrible character

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:

**Spoiler Warning**

Live and Let Die is the 8th film in the franchise, released in 1973, featuring Roger Moore.  With Connery, fan favorite, retiring, Moore had big shoes to fill.  Acclaim toward this movie has varied from somewhat positive to lukewarm.

PROS:

  • Moore's brighter demeanor gave him room to react to situations in ways the more arrogant conventional Connery Bond wouldn't.

  • Takes risks and overall stands as unique

  • Opts for a story on urban decay, still tied into the Cold War, rather than world domination

  • Astoundingly good theme song.  Paul McCartney rocks hard when apart from The Beatles.

  • Usually paces quite well and the action keeps flowing

  • Some really bizarre creepy horror-ish parts (tribal scene)

  • Full of over-the-top humor, but still takes on serious themes.

  • Magnetic watch, gas bullet and other gadgets

CONS:

  • Rides the Blaxplotation bandwagon unauthentically

  • White redneck cop stereotype is painfully corny

  • Using Solitaire's virginity as a plot device

  • Some of Moore's sexual scenes were uncomfortable/rapey

  • Chase sequence was a bit drawn out

Overall Thoughts:

  • I wouldn't call LALD racist, nor progressive.  Well-intending but naive perhaps.

  • Most Black characters were villains but we're also portrayed as independent and shrewd.

  • Moore's understated often humble attitude quietly immersed him in the role.  Connery's presence was missing I guess, but I never really noticed or cared too much.

  • Moore was still developing his creativity here.  At times, Moore acted in the mold of Connery.

  • This movie has its sour spots, but the good outweighs the bad and the fact that its unique helps it.

  • The 70's Blaxploitation phase is far in the past, but this movie is a time capsule.  It's not afraid to take on lots of culture, even if it does so stupidly at time.

  • It's not one of the best Bond films but it still has its place in the series.

Rating: 6/10 (Good)

I was really disappointed with Moore as Connery's replacement (I actually like Lazenby better), so my reaction to LALD is obviously colored by that disappointment. However, there are some aspects of the movie I find enjoyable, such as Dr. Kanaga/Mr. Big and Tee Hee, as portrayed by Yaphet Kotto and Julius Harris, respectively. I agree the theme song is one of the best and I think the crocodile stunt is fantastic. Baron Samedi is a very memorable character and I think the voodoo elements add a unique and interesting touch. Finally, I get a special kick out of the fact that parts of LALD were filmed near the Harlem neighborhood where I grew up. But there are a number of really glaring cons for me, including the unamusing Sheriff Pepper, the very annoying Rosie Carver, the lack of a proper introduction for the new Bond, the boat chase that was drawn out so long that the initial excitement dissipates quickly, and the cartoonish death of Dr. Kananga.

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But the cover on the LP was beautiful.

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hehadlotsofguts wrote:

It would've been better if Bond appeared in the PTS. Seeing Roger Moore's name in the titles before his first scene would spoil te mystery for first time viewers of the film.

Good point.  At the same time, part of advertising the movie is advertising the actor and word of mouth would've spread.  But perhaps they could have announced his name after his first scene.

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This film is an absolute low in the franchise. The only positive is the theme song.

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Aside from my approval of Moore replacing Connery, I agree with all of Blackleiter's points.

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VesperMelograno wrote:

This film is an absolute low in the franchise. The only positive is the theme song.

I liked it. I liked TMWTGG more.

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I want those 121 minutes of my life back...

chrisisall wrote:

I liked it. I liked TMWTGG more.

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AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

Yes, it's probably for the best that he never came back for a second Time  ajb007/martini

Never? ...  ajb007/wink

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Saw LALD for the 2nd time today, so I'll give an update now that I've paid more attention to the movie in this recent viewing.

As far as race goes, there's still some politically incorrect grounds.  Portraying black characters as strange, alien and voodoo pretty much conformed to existing stereotypes.  I'm not angry at the ignorance in the movie because they overall meant well and weren't malicious about things at all.  I still believe that LALD portrays women as sexual-playthings, though I see Moore's relationship with Solitaire a little more mutual than I have before.  JW Pepper also bothers me less.

The movie overall had a relatively big cultural presence because it was Moore's debut.  And at that, he did a fine job.  Lot of good aspects to appreciate.  The gadgets, Jane Seymour, Kananga, Tee Hee, the ending, and lots of "talking villain syndrome".  The scenery in the film is quite nice, but overall, in my second viewing, I realized that this movie was a lot less unique than I originally thought.  It follows the formula in the most strictest sense possible.

I don't want to call it overrated, but there are numerous less acclaimed less culturally relevant movies in the series I enjoyed far more.  For what it's worth, LALD was an overall okay entry.  Enjoyable, entertaining.  In my 2nd viewing, I was both less offended at it's weaknesses and less enraptured in its strengths.  I think it'll be placed on the mid-low part of my ranking list overall.

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:

I think it'll be placed on the mid-low part of my ranking list overall.

Fair enough I'd say, though I have a sentimental liking for it as it was my second theatrical Bond... ajb007/smile

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That's what it boils down to.  If LALD came out in the later part of Moore's career, it would've been forgettable. 

But LALD was like the JFK Inauguration moment for many first-time viewers.

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I love Live and Let Die, and think it one of Moore's best.  However, JW Pepper spoils many moments in it for me.

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Sorry, but that bit at the crocodile farm and the amazing soundtrack big it up for me..

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002 wrote:

However, JW Pepper spoils many moments in it for me.

I agree it would have been better without him. Also, I just watched LALD again over the weekend and it struck me how much the soundtrack sounds like the soundtrack to a 70s television show. The full, lush sounds of John Barry's music is sorely missed.

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