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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a1/LALDcast.jpg/220px-LALDcast.jpg

The more I think about LALD, the more iconic it appears  ajb007/lol

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heartbroken_mr_drax wrote:
Agent Purple wrote:

Anyways hmd, what are your thoughts on Solitaire?

Beautiful, but forgettable IMO. She does have a good storyline as being the card reader and integral to the villain but I prefer non-weak Bond girls, and Solitaire is weak.

I do take her over Stacey Sutton, Tiffany Case, Melina (though I'll get blasted for that), and Tatiana Romanova, but yeah, she's not one of my favorites.  For me, she falls in the good-but-not-great group of BGs.

No offense meant to fans of Solitaire.

"Hostile takeovers.  Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD  2. TND  3. GF  4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later

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What do you guys think about Kananga posing as Mr. Big and then unmasking himself in that scene with Bond?

"Hostile takeovers.  Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD  2. TND  3. GF  4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later

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Agent Purple wrote:

What do you guys think about Kananga posing as Mr. Big and then unmasking himself in that scene with Bond?

Considering the nature of his business, it was a good idea to have duel identities. As for unmasking himself, Kananga obliged to the condition of Bond. And he was going to have Bond killed soon so hiding his secret would have seemed pointless in the face of "valuable" info that he was seeking

Btw, Solitaire' role of the fortune teller who is totally controlled by Kananga is unique and would rank amongst the best Bond Girls  ajb007/smile

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Agent Purple wrote:

What do you guys think about Kananga posing as Mr. Big and then unmasking himself in that scene with Bond?

I think it's pretty cool, but after seeing the film a dozen times I can't remember if I was surprised for the first time I saw the film. I think I forgot who Mr. Big was by the time he reappears in the film. He's not a very well-developed alter ego. And I might have had Mr. Big from Get Smart in mind.

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The Paul McCartney song is easily one of my faves.

"Hostile takeovers.  Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD  2. TND  3. GF  4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later

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Bond Bluray marathon number 8!

Pros:

- Roger Moore steps into the role with originality, excellent delivery of one-liners and very handsome.
- Plot is interesting, and unusual. Voodoo elements bring a level of intrigue.
- Yaphet Koto plays Big/Kanaga brilliantly.
- Locations, particularly Harlem, are good. Louisiana looks good.
- The film manages to get the humour balance correct, unlike DAF.
- Rosie, while useless, is effectively funny as a useless ploy.
- Boat chase is very well done, especially the explosion in the ship.
- Scenes in hotel room are funny and interesting.
- Sheriff J.W. Pepper is well done in this as opposed to his return. He's funny and fits the location with the other overweight cops.
- Well directed and well shot.
- Title song is epic, along with Maurice Binder's titles.
- Hasn't dated.

Cons:

- Roger isn't fully relaxed in the role yet, he puts in a much better performance in TMWTGG.
- Solitaire is beautiful, but ultimately forgettable.
- While it is original, and an escape for the trappings of SC - IMO, it's not a complete "Bond" film.

BluRay:

Crystal clear and a nice restoration, nothing stood out other than its clarity.

Overall:

A great entry into the series, what struck me in particular about watching this again was how original the film is and how intriguing the voodoo elements are. They're well directed, acted and shot - which makes them lighthearted, but still kind of odd and creepy. Baron Samadi on the front of the train in the end credits basically sums this up.

For me the film has its place and I don't really rate it higher because I don't feel this is ultimate Bond - it's not like Thunderball, or Goldeneye or Casino Royale or TSWLM. It sits in the category of the odder Bonds for me. But I still enjoy it each time I watch it, more and more so. Like DAF, I'm aware of its release and the issues at the time in the world calling for such a Bond film.

1. TWINE  2. FYEO  3. MR  4. TLD  5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS  7. DN  8. OP  9. AVTAK  10. TMWTGG  11. QoS 12. GE  13. CR  14. TB  15. FRWL  16. LTK  17. GF  18. SF  19. LaLD  20. YOLT  21. TND  22. DAD  23. DAF.

"If you'll forgive me, that's a little too scented for my palate."

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heartbroken_mr_drax wrote:

Bond Bluray marathon number 8!

Cons:

- Roger isn't fully relaxed in the role yet, he puts in a much better performance in TMWTGG.
- Solitaire is beautiful, but ultimately forgettable.
- While it is original, and an escape for the trappings of SC - IMO, it's not a complete "Bond" film.

The cons appear to be written for the sake of writing them  ajb007/lol  .... LALD is a complete (but different) Bond film unless you missed Barry's music ajb007/smile

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Barry is always missed, but I love what George Martin did with LALD (and McCartney of course).

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Looking at the genre, it is hard for me to find serious/major cons in most of the Bond films

Last edited by am747 (27th Nov 2015 13:50)

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am747 wrote:
heartbroken_mr_drax wrote:

Bond Bluray marathon number 8!

Cons:

- Roger isn't fully relaxed in the role yet, he puts in a much better performance in TMWTGG.
- Solitaire is beautiful, but ultimately forgettable.
- While it is original, and an escape for the trappings of SC - IMO, it's not a complete "Bond" film.

The cons appear to be written for the sake of writing them  ajb007/lol  .... LALD is a complete (but different) Bond film unless you missed Barry's music ajb007/smile

I don't agree, they're 3 pretty solid cons for as to why I don't rate the film higher in my rankings.

Looking at the genre, it is hard for me to find serious/major cons in most of the Bond films

What genre are you looking at? Action, thriller, comedy, blaxploitation?

1. TWINE  2. FYEO  3. MR  4. TLD  5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS  7. DN  8. OP  9. AVTAK  10. TMWTGG  11. QoS 12. GE  13. CR  14. TB  15. FRWL  16. LTK  17. GF  18. SF  19. LaLD  20. YOLT  21. TND  22. DAD  23. DAF.

"If you'll forgive me, that's a little too scented for my palate."

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heartbroken_mr_drax wrote:

I don't agree, they're 3 pretty solid cons for as to why I don't rate the film higher in my rankings.

You have the pro below:

Roger Moore steps into the role with originality, excellent delivery of one-liners and very handsome.

so obviously, you were impressed by his performance, but then you listed the below as a con:

Roger isn't fully relaxed in the role yet, he puts in a much better performance in TMWTGG.

And he was probably better in TSWLM than in TMWTFF but that does not make it a con for TMWTGG. Similarly, it would not be a con for LALD  ajb007/tongue


Another con that you listed:

Solitaire is beautiful, but ultimately forgettable.

Her character is one of the most unique one - a person who get hints about future, is controlled by a evil man, and her "power" can vanish if she associate herself with a man. Bond tricked her in the movie .... Her character is in fact a memorable one  ajb007/smile


What genre are you looking at? Action, thriller, comedy, blaxploitation?

A mix of everything. Similar to Indiana Jones  ajb007/biggrin

Last edited by am747 (27th Nov 2015 23:45)

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Clearly you like LALD more than I do  ajb007/tongue

1. TWINE  2. FYEO  3. MR  4. TLD  5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS  7. DN  8. OP  9. AVTAK  10. TMWTGG  11. QoS 12. GE  13. CR  14. TB  15. FRWL  16. LTK  17. GF  18. SF  19. LaLD  20. YOLT  21. TND  22. DAD  23. DAF.

"If you'll forgive me, that's a little too scented for my palate."

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heartbroken_mr_drax wrote:

Clearly you like LALD more than I do  ajb007/tongue

In the top 10 in the current ranking  ajb007/lol

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I think I'm somewhere in the middle here.

"Hostile takeovers.  Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD  2. TND  3. GF  4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later

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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eut9KxXFAFI/VFt-fPbnWAI/AAAAAAAAhjc/KDEvr9nIXNY/s1600/Live-and-Let-Die-Rolex.jpg


Classic picture! .... Love how Bond used to wear Rolex ....  IIRC, TMWTGG was the last one to feature it as in TSWLM, Bond went digital

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Jane Seymour was quite a knockout back in the 70s.

"Hostile takeovers.  Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD  2. TND  3. GF  4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later

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Agent Purple wrote:

Jane Seymour was quite a knockout back in the 70s.

Subconsiciously, she could be one of the big reasons why the film is high on my ranking  ajb007/biggrin

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Agent Purple wrote:

Jane Seymour was quite a knockout back in the 70s.

And the 80's and the 90's....
Hell, look at her today!
http://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Video/141212/tdy_klg_seymour_141212.today-inline-vid-featured-desktop.jpg

60 +??

Dalton & Connery rule. Brozz was cool. Craig is too.
#1.TLD/LTK 2.TND 3.QOS 4.DN 5.GF/GE 6.SP 7.FRWL 8.TB/TMWTGG 9.TWINE 10.YOLT

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The 1st three Moore films feature some of the most beautiful BGs

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am747 wrote:

Love how Bond used to wear Rolex ....  IIRC, TMWTGG was the last one to feature it as in TSWLM, Bond went digital

Me too.

Seiko looks funny now, especially the one in FYEO - it looks like a $150 mall jewellery store watch!

1. TWINE  2. FYEO  3. MR  4. TLD  5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS  7. DN  8. OP  9. AVTAK  10. TMWTGG  11. QoS 12. GE  13. CR  14. TB  15. FRWL  16. LTK  17. GF  18. SF  19. LaLD  20. YOLT  21. TND  22. DAD  23. DAF.

"If you'll forgive me, that's a little too scented for my palate."

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heartbroken_mr_drax wrote:
am747 wrote:

Love how Bond used to wear Rolex ....  IIRC, TMWTGG was the last one to feature it as in TSWLM, Bond went digital

Me too.

Seiko looks funny now, especially the one in FYEO - it looks like a $150 mall jewellery store watch!

Bond in a digital watch is a no-go. Omega is acceptable. Ideally, it should be Rolex or higher

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IIRC, Roger Moore picked TSWLM and LALD as his fav Bond films from the ones that he has worked in. And every time you see the film, it shows why  ajb007/martini

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At the end of the day, it is a pretty fun watch.

Gotta love that boat chase. ajb007/biggrin

"Hostile takeovers.  Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD  2. TND  3. GF  4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later

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Agent Purple wrote:

Gotta love that boat chase.

The boat chase is very good. The final explosion is incredible! I almost thought it was CGI.

1. TWINE  2. FYEO  3. MR  4. TLD  5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS  7. DN  8. OP  9. AVTAK  10. TMWTGG  11. QoS 12. GE  13. CR  14. TB  15. FRWL  16. LTK  17. GF  18. SF  19. LaLD  20. YOLT  21. TND  22. DAD  23. DAF.

"If you'll forgive me, that's a little too scented for my palate."