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From the look of it i'd definitely say real helicopter and real car.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh596/JordanMcGregor/YOLT%20Magnet%20Helicopter_zpsryxabd0x.gif

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VesperMelograno wrote:

So you think it was life-size and not a model?

It certainly was real, the KV-107 had a lift capability of 7 tons , very easy to lift a car on the cargo hook with a dummy magnet , release is easy , I have seen it done from Lynx ,Wessex etc at airshows in the past before H&S kicked in, hook operated by the loadmaster.

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It was real. You can watch the Documentary on YOLT in the Mission Dossier on YOLT's Blu-ray. There it is explained a little.

Dalton Rulez™

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I listened to the YOLT commentary recently. I believe they mentioned that it was real.
For anyone interested, I'll be uploading my review on it today or tomorrow (if it my editing ever wraps up).

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Barbel wrote:
Wadsy wrote:

Con's:

* The score of the movie

I'm surprised by this; most  consider the score to be one of the film's assets. What is it you dislike about it?

I'd like to know the answer too. In my opinion the score to YOLT is at least one of the top 3 in the series (I'd include OHMSS and TLD in that group).

"Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."

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...and the title track has gone on to become a jazz standard, I probably hear more covers of that one than any other Bond theme song

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caractacus potts wrote:

...and the title track has gone on to become a jazz standard, I probably hear more covers of that one than any other Bond theme song

Right now I'm listening to a killer surf rock version of YOLT by Deadbolt. It's on a compilation CD called Secret Agent S.O.U.N.D.S.

And on a related note, Man or Astroman plays a smoking rendition of the Goldfinger theme on that same CD.

Highly recommended.

"Please don't try to follow me"

1. GE 2. MR 3. TSWLM 4. DN 5. OP 6. TND 7. TMWTGG 8.GF  9. TWINE 10. AVTAK 11. TLD/LTK

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Blackleiter wrote:
Barbel wrote:
Wadsy wrote:

Con's:

* The score of the movie

I'm surprised by this; most  consider the score to be one of the film's assets. What is it you dislike about it?

I'd like to know the answer too. In my opinion the score to YOLT is at least one of the top 3 in the series (I'd include OHMSS and TLD in that group).

It's an incredible soundtrack. Majorly iconic music including "Capsule in Space" and a beautiful love theme too. The Wedding is a stunning piece of music. I will say that I'm not a fan of the action theme (A Drop in the Ocean) it's a bit skittish and not the nicest thing to listen to. But other than that, fits the film's beauty and scale.

1. TWINE  2. FYEO  3. MR  4. TLD  5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS  7. DN  8. OP  9. AVTAK  10. TMWTGG  11. QoS 12. GE  13. CR  14. TB  15. FRWL  16. LTK  17. GF  18. SF  19. LaLD  20. YOLT  21. TND  22. DAD  23. DAF.

"If you'll forgive me, that's a little too scented for my palate."

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Helga reminds me of an evil mrs Peel......

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Pros:
Fast paced
Multiple iconic scenes
Great fights
Little Nelly
Beautiful scenery
Tight pacing; doesn't drag like Thunderball
Neither too ground nor too over the top. The perfect midway point between FRWL and DAF.
The Ninjas
The wedding scene
Tiger

Cons:
Helga's plotline isn't written well
Killing Aki off

If the last two things didn't happen, I'd say this film would be tied with Goldfinger for the most iconic, best Bond. But as such it sits just below Goldfinger as the second best Bond film in my opinion.

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N-NANI?
https://preview.ibb.co/it7moS/Screen_Shot_2018_03_06_at_23_08_37.png
Connery looking down the lens in Goldfinger for half a shot made quite a stir (not shake), here but there are 4 shots of Charles Gray as Henderson looking at it after "don't ask me who's doing it either".
Was he a SPECTRE agent and was killed for helping out on a mission for England, betraying their trust?
He did say he knew more but how much more?

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This one will be much easier to cons-ify than the first four, but I will need to make special effort to pros-ify.

I gotta irrational bias. The Spy Who Loved Me was the first Bondfilm I ever saw, and over the next two years I read all the books and caught all the old ones (including Casino Royale) on teevee. Somehow, You Only Live Twice was the last of the old ones I saw ... and so much of what I liked about ...Spy... turned out to have been repeated entirely from this film, yet I resented this film for both not being a proper Fleming adaptation and for doing the exact same things I already liked so much in a much later film! I know, makes no sense, and I gotta make an effort to assess this film more objectively.

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PROS
- Barry and Adam at the height of their powers

- Title song delivers a Life is But a Dream type vibe, now that the Bond film has evolved into pure fantasy
- Title song is the second most covered Bond song, after "The Look of Love" if you count that one.
- First cover I ever heard was by Soft Cell back in the mid80s! but I've heard a lot of jazz covers since then
- There's even a Simpsons cover, retitled "You Only Live Once", played in a relatively recent episode when Homer has a midlife crisis.

- Finally we meet Blofeld! we never heard his name in Thunderball, so this is his big reveal, and campy as it is, its actually more dramatic than Waltz's attempt to remake this scene in SPECTRE.
- Donald Pleasance's interpretion of Blofeld gave the world inspiration for Dr Evil, and if for nothing else the world must be grateful to this film.

- Blofeld's HQ has not just a monorail, hundreds of minions, vast moving parts, and an impregnable control room, but also his own apartment!
- Surely this set is bigger than the interior of the Liparus?
- I think both the interior of the Death Star and Lando Calresian's offices in ...Empire... owe a lot to the set design of this villains HQ.
- Blofeld's apartment contains a large renaissance painting (Rembrandt?), a huge tapestry over a huger fireplace, a nice carpet and an armoir (I think thats what its called?). The fight with the otherwise forgettable Hans really showcases Blofeld's interior decorating aesthetic.
- "closse shutterss"

- Also Tanaka's headquarters, Osato's offices, even Dikko's traditional japanese rooms, lotsa Adam goodness. Dig Tanaka's video monitors!
- Osatos's hidden bar.
- The shot where Osato interviews Bond and we see Bond's reflection on Osato's desk.

-I just noticed this: the Osato corporate logo looks a teensy bit like the emblem of Kih-Oskh from Cigars of the Pharoah.
Probably a coincidence, but what if it's proof of a deeper conspiracy? What if Blofeld and Rastapopolous had been working together undetected behind the scenes of both series all this time, and ... and I'm the first to notice and now I've just spilled the truth right here on the internet?!!? oh damn, now my life really is in denger, shoulda kept my mouth shut, damndamndamn...

- At some point they had to leave Fleming behind, and this film introduces a huge repetoir of tropes to be repeated in future official films, tributes and parodies. A lot of the epic scale techno thriller imagery was done here first.
- Dahl actually knew Fleming, worked with him in real life secret service days, so is, in theory, a good choice to write the first all-new adventure. And he would rewrite more Fleming within the year for Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, and in that case I think improved upon the source material.

- Beautiful scenery of Japanese landscapes, historic buildings, and also futuristic modern architecture consistent with the Adam aesthetic.
The travelogue content, which made up half of Fleming's book, is one element that does more or less get faithfully adapted.

- Bond uses the plastic surgery knife/torture implement to cut Helga's bra straps
- Aki's another crazy woman driver: Fleming would have approved.


CONS
- Throws out almost all the Fleming.
- Sets precedent for all those 70s films, that they think they can just throw out whole books worth of Fleming.
- Tells the story out of sequence, meaning the cliffhanger ending of the next film would never get resolved.
- Fleming's book was the resolution of the saga, and the first chapter and most of the later chapters include some of the most important elements in Fleming's saga. Dahl, in choosing what to toss out and what to keep, tossed out almost everything that was actually important in Fleming's book.
- Even to this day, we are begging EON to please include some of these important scenes in Bond25, despite knowing what a hash they made of authentic Fleming content in Bond24.

- What they have given us is more scifi than any of the previous films, and looks more like contemporary parodies of the spy genre such as In Like Flint, than the actual previous Bond films. In fact, even though this film plays it mostly straight, it is more similar to the "funny" version of Casino Royale, and a better parody of the genre than Feldman's attempt at parody.

- For the most special effects heavy film so far, some of the effects sit unfavourably on the scale between Harryhausen and Ed Wood. The edits in the helicopter fight, the space hijackings, and the volcano explosion look like joke special effects as seen on SCTV.


- Aki and Kissy should have just been one character. All we gain by having two sexy Japanese secret agent characters is Aki's death scene, which is very well done but irrelavent to the plot.
- They threw out almost eveything about Kissy Suzuki that made her such a key character in Fleming's saga. And cast the weaker actress who could barely speak English.

- Connery looks really bad once dressed as a Japanese. Where'd those droopy jowls suddenly come from? He has no business scoffing at women who look like "pigs"

- Blofeld loses his cat before he gets on the monorail. Does he get another cat before the next adventure, or did he go back to look for Fluffy?

- The travelogue content maybe true to Fleming but some of it really drags, especially the ninja school and the wedding

- What if Nancy's father sang the title song? Now I've thought about it I want to hear it. Frank had a smoother tone and bigger range than Nancy.

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Question: for those of you that saw this film before The Spy Who Loved Me, how did you feel about all it's new postFleming content, and the fact that ...Spy... repeated so much of it? Do you therefor like ...Twice... better than I do, and see ...Spy... as the pointless remake?
Dicuss.

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The story goes that Nancy's dad, who Cubby actually knew, refused the offer and suggested his daughter do it.

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caractacus potts wrote:

Question: for those of you that saw this film before The Spy Who Loved Me, how did you feel about all it's new postFleming content, and the fact that ...Spy... repeated so much of it? Do you therefor like ...Twice... better than I do, and see ...Spy... as the pointless remake?
Dicuss.

I knew what to expect going in. I'd read the book, and the film's outer space content had been well publicised so I knew it wasn't going to be a faithful adaptation. I was grateful for the Fleming material we did get. Watching it on the big screen (which I highly recommend to those who haven't) was very impressive, most of all of course being the reveal of the volcano set, and John Barry's wonderful score makes it all the more enjoyable. The weaknesses become apparent on repeated viewings, but that's only to be expected.

Much the same with TSWLM. Obviously it was well known that it wouldn't be the book, and the tone of the film helped to conceal the similarities with YOLT. Only helped, they're there for all to see. I didn't think it was pointless. To me, it was just an example of Bond plot #2, as TND would be many years later.

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Bond plot #1- Someone is smuggling a precious item (gold, diamonds, Fabergé eggs, microchips). Bond is sent to investigate, and finds that the villain's real scheme is much more dangerous. He will meet and link up with a beautiful (naturally) woman associated with the villain.

Bond plot #2- Someone is trying to cause war between two world powers by interfering with major hardware (spaceships, submarines, warships). Bond is sent to investigate and teams up with a beautiful (naturally) female agent from another country.

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Great work, potts.  Couple of quick reactions:

caractacus potts wrote:

Blofeld's HQ has not just a monorail, hundreds of minions, vast moving parts, and an impregnable control room, but also his own apartment!

What, you expected him to commute from his home to the office?  ajb007/biggrin
I agree that the volcano set, from the grand to the smallest details, is the best in the series and arguably the best in all of film.

caractacus potts wrote:

Question: for those of you that saw this film before The Spy Who Loved Me, how did you feel about all it's new postFleming content, and the fact that ...Spy... repeated so much of it? Do you therefor like ...Twice... better than I do, and see ...Spy... as the pointless remake?
Dicuss.

Believe it or not, I have never thought of them as similar films at all.  I saw Spy first, so maybe that's why.  I recognize there are plenty of common elements, but you could say that about a lot of Bond films.  To me, the films that are almost identical (at least in terms of plot structure) are Spy and Moonraker.

Hilly...you old devil!

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YOLT is the first Bond movie to part ways with Fleming in a major way. I suspect that it was Roald Dahl's interpretation of his writing brief which explains the movie's brazenly episodic structure, bumping from one action set piece to another in true comic-book style. YOLT is an entertaining movie, just in a very different way to (say) FRWL.

TSWLM and MR are clearly based on the YOLT formula, but to me YOLT's 'swinging sixties' modernity distinguishes its vibe from its disco-era fantasy counterparts.

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Shady Tree wrote:

to me YOLT's 'swinging sixties' modernity distinguishes its vibe from its disco-era fantasy counterparts.

Yes, agreed- this is what I meant by my comment on the tone of the movie above.

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Yes, YOLT's tone sets it apart. For me, Akiko Wakabayashi's radiant smiles and Mie Hama's innocent sweetness form part of the charm of the movie. Fans of these actresses can also see them billed together, showcasing their alluring qualities, in 1962's 'Godzilla vs. King Kong', from Toho Studios.

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caractacus potts wrote:

Question: for those of you that saw this film before The Spy Who Loved Me, how did you feel about all it's new postFleming content, and the fact that ...Spy... repeated so much of it? Do you therefor like ...Twice... better than I do, and see ...Spy... as the pointless remake?
Dicuss.

Barbel wrote:

I knew what to expect going in. I'd read the book, and the film's outer space content had been well publicised so I knew it wasn't going to be a faithful adaptation. I was grateful for the Fleming material we did get. Watching it on the big screen (which I highly recommend to those who haven't) was very impressive, most of all of course being the reveal of the volcano set, and John Barry's wonderful score makes it all the more enjoyable. The weaknesses become apparent on repeated viewings, but that's only to be expected.

Much the same with TSWLM. Obviously it was well known that it wouldn't be the book, and the tone of the film helped to conceal the similarities with YOLT. Only helped, they're there for all to see. I didn't think it was pointless. To me, it was just an example of Bond plot #2, as TND would be many years later.

Thanks Barbel. In your case you saw these films come out in real time and already knew your Fleming, thats exactly how they oughta be experienced.
I'm sure most of us saw them in a completely random order, starting with whatever was the latest, so thats gotta skew our preconceptions, mixing up originals with derivative products and not appreciating which is which.
Now theres a whole generation that watches this film and only sees the early  Dr Evil appearance.

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Shady Tree wrote:

YOLT is the first Bond movie to part ways with Fleming in a major way. I suspect that it was Roald Dahl's interpretation of his writing brief which explains the movie's brazenly episodic structure, bumping from one action set piece to another in true comic-book style. YOLT is an entertaining movie, just in a very different way to (say) FRWL.

I know Roald Dahl as a childrens book author. other than the sequence with the geisha girls, and all the innuendos, this plot really is more like a childrens' story than anything Fleming wrote (and Fleming was into the whole Boys' Own Adventure thing). A childrens' story is more episodic (short attention spans and all).
In fact, I think with Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, Fleming's actual childrens' story, Dahl made that one less episodic than what Fleming wrote.

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I've had the main theme song running in my head for days. And suddenly the wedding music has got stuck there too, I didn't even realise I remembered that traditional sounding music.
I don't like the way that wedding scene plays out, but Barry's music does suggest a chance for our hero to finally escape to a more peaceful life, completely removed from the evils of the world.
And its a real change of mood that adds to the epic dimension of the film.


Then there's the precredits ... I gotta admit I like this one better than the precredits in  Thunderball, it sets up a shock cliffhanger leading into the credits and title song, which is a very nice trick... but this elaborate faked death is such a trivialisation of Bond's apparant death at the end of Fleming's book (and consequent escape from this dirty damn business) that I resent the scene more for what it is not than for what it objectively is.

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caractacus potts wrote:

Question: for those of you that saw this film before The Spy Who Loved Me, how did you feel about all it's new postFleming content, and the fact that ...Spy... repeated so much of it? Do you therefor like ...Twice... better than I do, and see ...Spy... as the pointless remake?
Dicuss.

My first run through the back catalogue of the Bond series, which took place in the mid-late 90s and early 2000s was effectively book-ended by the films of Lewis Gilbert. I started with MR and TSWLM, and the last of the films that I got round to seeing was YOLT. I was fan of MR and TSWLM, and my experience with YOLT was a big disappointment. Having already seen all of the other 19 films as it was then, barely anything about YOLT stood out as being excellent. I wasn't keen on the acting in the film, mostly I felt it was a bit wooden, especially from the Japanese actresses and Donald Pleasance's Blofeld was never to my liking (I had already seen Myers's Dr Evil by this point, so I don't know if that was an influencing factor). The cinematography didn't appeal to me either, but I would blame that on the fact that I was watching a pan-and-scan TV broadcast, complete with advert breaks. Even the the impressive volcano set was therefore not seen to its full advantage, and I felt that the barely adequate model rocket effects took away a bit from the impact of the volcano set's reveal. I also found the plotting a bit too far fetched, and the dialogue not great so YOLT was immediately sent to the very bottom of my Bond film ranking and it lingered there for a long time. I'm not sure if having already seen TSWLM had a specific impact on my enjoyment of YOLT, more the fact that I'd already seen all the other films in the series. I don't think I was particularly aware of the plot similarities between the two films at the time.

Over the years my opinion of YOLT has changed a bit, and I've come to appreciate some of its positive elements - most notably the score, which has become one of my favourite Bond soundtracks. Seeing the cinematrography on widescreen DVD, and later on Blu-ray improved my opinion of the look of the film a great deal, and obviously helped to show the spectacle of the volcano set. Unfortunately I've never seen the film on anything larger than a mid-size TV. I did always like the Little Nellie sequence too.

So now, YOLT is a little higher on my ranking - about #15 - but many of the complaints that I had on first viewing still apply, most notably with relation to the dialogue and acting. Tiger Tanaka has become a character that I really like though. Still not a fan of Pleasance as Blofeld. TSWLM is a bit higher than YOLT on my ranking, and given its similarities to YOLT, I would definitely say that the later film does a good job of improving on the elements that it reuses from YOLT. The fact that Moore is at the height of his powers in 1977 adds a lot to the film compared to Connery's rather tired 1967 performance. Sadly I think that Barbara Bach is another wooden actress, not a huge improvement over Hama. And the one department in which YOLT triumphs over TSWLM is the score (despite my love for Hamlisch's Bond '77 arrangement of the James Bond Theme.