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Barbel wrote:
Virgil37 wrote:

Sean Connery, bored, out of shape, stressed by fans while filming, feeling underpaid by producers.

Can't deny most of that, and yet still with total command of the screen without even trying as well as effortless charisma . Some stars are born, some are made, some are stars no matter what they do: the camera loves them. No-one can sustain a 40 or 50 year career without that (or in Clint Eastwood's case longer!) and Sean Connery is a good example. His performance in this film is only a con in comparison to his other Bond performances, where he's (even) better.

I quite agree, I'm a big Connery fan. He was a 36 year old star, possibly the biggest star there was in 1966, he still catched the eye, and I can't say he gave a bad performance. However, as you point out, it's a con for YOLT, because in the context of his iconic 1962-1965 Bond films, this is merely correct. For instance, Daniel Craig's performances in his three films are better than Connery's in YOLT.

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Gassy Man wrote:
Absolutely_Cart wrote:

There are lots of moments in it I enjoy.  I guess it's better to be a good movie with flaws like YOLT than a mediocre movie with merits like AVTAK.  YOLT has replay value for me.

I wouldn't say Connery is phoning in.  He seemed like he was trying.  He was just spent.  And of all the Bond actors, I'd say Connery is the most linear.  You can kind of predict how he would react to every situation and Connery's Bond never develops, deviates or changes, from Dr. No to YOLT.

In recent interviews, Daniel Craig spoke that he was going to change the atmosphere of the next Bond film a little bit and make a clean break from 3 serious gritty films in a row.  I kind of wished Connery did something like that.

Seriously?  You see him as the same guy in every movie?  Watch him in Dr. No or From Russia with Love and see if the performance is identical to the one in Diamonds are Forever.

Another point, though.  Realistically, people don't change that much as they age.  I'm now entering my late 40s, and while I"m more seasoned than I once was, my habits and personality are hardly changed from when I was in my 20s.  What has changed are my pace and methodologies.  That goes for most of my friends, as well. 

When I watch Connery over the course of his playing Bond, I see very much the same thing.   It's mostly movies and comic books that suggest a person changes so drastically over the course of their lifetime. 

In terms of not changing, Moore seems more linear than Connery.

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CmdrAtticus wrote:

Watching Blofeld's rocket slide out of the volcano on a small puff of white smoke just reinforced the visual that we were watching a toy model and what seemed like a scene out of the Firebirds.

Great point.

CmdrAtticus wrote:

well, there's also the stock footage with palm trees of the US rocket launch supposedly being a Russian launch

Don't forget the stock footage of a volcano eruption at the end.

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Sir Hillary Bray wrote:

Excellent fight with the sumo guy in Osato's office -- he was Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson's grandfather, no less!

What an interesting factoid! I wasn't aware that the sumo guy was related to The Rock. Great fight - one of the most fun in the series! ajb007/martini

"Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."

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Virgil37 wrote:

Daniel Craig's performances in his three films are better than Connery's in YOLT.

Much as I prefer Connery, I have to agree on that point. I've never denigrated Craig's performances as Bond, just his casting.

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Barbel wrote:
Virgil37 wrote:

Daniel Craig's performances in his three films are better than Connery's in YOLT.

Much as I prefer Connery, I have to agree on that point. I've never denigrated Craig's performances as Bond, just his casting.

From 1962 till 1965 I prefer Connery too. Craig and Dalton come second and third.

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You know, you're cleverer than you look! ajb007/lol

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Nah, Connery still owns Bond.  Craig has never, ever given the range of emotions -- heck, facial expressions -- that Connery could muster, even when he seemed to be trying less.  I am a big fan of Craig's but more because he has given the films a boost of testosterone and unpredictability that they haven't seen since Connery.  But he's no Connery yet.  I have a feeling, though, that Spectre might tilt things in his direction more, now that he may actually be given a chance to demonstrate more.  However, that remains to be seen with the script.

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Gassy Man wrote:

Nah, Connery still owns Bond.  Craig has never, ever given the range of emotions -- heck, facial expressions -- that Connery could muster, even when he seemed to be trying less.  I am a big fan of Craig's but more because he has given the films a boost of testosterone and unpredictability that they haven't seen since Connery.  But he's no Connery yet.  I have a feeling, though, that Spectre might tilt things in his direction more, now that he may actually be given a chance to demonstrate more.  However, that remains to be seen with the script.

Can't argue with that! ajb007/cheers

"Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."

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Virgil37 wrote:

Daniel Craig's performances in his three films are better than Connery's in YOLT.

Whoah there pardner, Craig may have pushing warp 5 on all those films, but Connery on impulse power alone still beats him I'm afraid. ajb007/bond

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Virgil37 wrote:

* Sean Connery, bored, out of shape, stressed by fans while filming, feeling underpaid by producers. As the good professional he is, he still gave a correct performance. But nothing more. No spark whatsoever. His 1962-1965 Bond came across the screen. His 1967 Bond stays there.

* The first time that they totally deviated from Fleming in order to give the biggest spectacle possible. Unfortunatelly by doing this they didn't use a very good Fleming story.

* Special effects.- although they might have been spectacular in 1967, they look positively dated now. The space scenes are also slow.

I've seen it many times, but it has never been a favourite of mine (obvious,right?).

Agree with most of your points, but I'll comment on these in particular.

1. Yes!  I can't say Connery is bad because he had the role down to a formula.  But in YOLT he seems to stick to the formula without providing anything else.

2. YOLT was the beginning of the films deviating from Fleming's book.  I think the success of Thunderball sent a message that spicing things up and focusing more on technology than story authenticity makes more profits.

3. Yes, the effects are dated.  The volcano special effect is quite bad.  That's the problem when you rely on technology.  Tech often doesn't age well.  There's always going to be more efficient tech out there.

4. Despite it's flaws, it has a lot of replay value.  Perhaps that's the most important point I can make here!

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:

Despite it's flaws, it has a lot of replay value.  Perhaps that's the most important point I can make here!

Yes.
The effyouenn factor.

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Virgil37 wrote:
CmdrAtticus wrote:

Watching Blofeld's rocket slide out of the volcano on a small puff of white smoke just reinforced the visual that we were watching a toy model and what seemed like a scene out of the Firebirds.

Great point.

CmdrAtticus wrote:

well, there's also the stock footage with palm trees of the US rocket launch supposedly being a Russian launch

Don't forget the stock footage of a volcano eruption at the end.


Ooops!  Sorry..I did mean Thunderbirds (referencing some other posts here) and no, they were not a bad thing..I loved watching it as a child.

Yes whenever films rely on a lot of the tech at the time for the main part of the plot (and this one is a big one) it can really weaken them decades later.  I love Hitchcock and a lot of the old black and white films but the rear projection shots almost look amateurish now.  Still, I can't fault the whole movie for them.

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I don't know if it's a case of not growing up but when I watch
Or rewatch ( many times)  any Bond film, basically I'm a kid
Again. I'm right back as that  12 year old lying on the floor,
Eyes glued to the screen.
  So I find it hard to pick faults ( even small ones) with any Bond.
Other films I can pull apart with bad camerawork, weak scripts or
Lazy character writing, But Bond ?  I'm just a fan, I can see no problems
With special effects etc. They did the best that was possible for the time.
  I simply get drawn into his world, and  get taken on a wonderful adventure. ajb007/martini

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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Watching Bond back in the late 90's/early 2000's on ITV was the one Thing that I looked forward to every Week  ajb007/martini

1.On Her Majesties Secret Service 2.The Living Daylights 3.license To Kill 4.The Spy Who Loved Me 5.Goldfinger

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I remember when they were first shown on ITV, eagerly waiting for
Christmas etc, to see the trailers for upcoming films and programmes
Just to catch a quick glimpse  of what ever big Bond film was coming
Up.  ajb007/lol

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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Sooo hard to pick flaws in this for me! Yeah maybe the Helga Brandt character could have been done a lot better and perhaps it drags a little in the middle third but for me YOLT is just a sit back and enjoy film, not just an excuse to pick flaws because its escapism. And Connery is still amazing in it.  ajb007/martini

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King Kamal wrote:

for me YOLT is just a sit back and enjoy film, not just an excuse to pick flaws because its escapism. And Connery is still amazing in it.  ajb007/martini

Agreed! And I love the ending... subinteruptus.

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A note here, about the prosthetic Japanese bits fading away as the movie progressed... What? You thought all that stuff would last? It was temporary junk for long range cover that had an expiration date. That it began to disappear was absolutely realistic, especially after swimming. ajb007/bond

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Gassy Man wrote:

Nah, Connery still owns Bond.  Craig has never, ever given the range of emotions -- heck, facial expressions -- that Connery could muster, even when he seemed to be trying less.  I am a big fan of Craig's but more because he has given the films a boost of testosterone and unpredictability that they haven't seen since Connery.  But he's no Connery yet.  I have a feeling, though, that Spectre might tilt things in his direction more, now that he may actually be given a chance to demonstrate more.  However, that remains to be seen with the script.

I'm sure Craig showed his emotions when vesper died

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DevilMayCare007 wrote:

I'm sure Craig showed his emotions when vesper died

Yes, a bit. ajb007/amazed

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chrisisall wrote:
DevilMayCare007 wrote:

I'm sure Craig showed his emotions when vesper died

Yes, a bit. ajb007/amazed

It even made me cry just a little  ajb007/lol

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DevilMayCare007 wrote:

I'm sure Craig showed his emotions when vesper died

Wasn't that because he'd split his fingernail during the previous stunt?  ajb007/shifty

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Higgins wrote:
DevilMayCare007 wrote:

I'm sure Craig showed his emotions when vesper died

Wasn't that because he'd split his fingernail during the previous stunt?  ajb007/shifty

Haha I'm pretty sure it wasn't  ajb007/lol

Top 10 Bond Films
1. Thunderball 2. FRWL 3. Casino Royale 4. TLD 5. OHMSS 6. SkyFall 7. GF 8. TSWLM 9. GE 10. FYEO

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Cons:
The dopey "Who's filming that?" shots.
That Aki had to die to save James.
They didn't make Pleasance seem at least as tall as Bond.

Pros:
EVERYTHING ELSE!
ajb007/martini

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