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Thunderpussy wrote:

I don't think anyone will disagree with me but I'm
Obviously a bit thick, as Lazenby for me does a terrific
Job, I personally can't fault him, for me he's perfectly
Fine.  ajb007/biggrin , I really can't see what you guys can .
( I'm NOT, saying you're wrong, just that I can't see these
Faults )  ajb007/biggrin so long as you keep watching it  ajb007/martini .
But I'll back off and leave you guys to discuss all these glaring
Faults, I'd hate to have any more pointed out to me. ajb007/lol

I think the same: George Lazenby is perfectly acceptable as Bond.

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If you watch an episose of One Foot In The Grave, the character Pippa Trench has a similar accent to Ruby. Just watched The Dawn Of Man and it's something i've noticed.

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Sir Miles wrote:
CoolHandBond wrote:

Ruby - just cannot take to the accent (sorry Northerners  ajb007/crap)

No problem....it's NOT a Northern accent  ajb007/lol

Wow I've always associated it as being a Northern accent - mind you I'm hopeless on accents  ajb007/biggrin  - what accent is it? whatever it is it grates on me  ajb007/lol

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

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CoolHandBond wrote:
Sir Miles wrote:
CoolHandBond wrote:

Ruby - just cannot take to the accent (sorry Northerners  ajb007/crap)

No problem....it's NOT a Northern accent  ajb007/lol

Wow I've always associated it as being a Northern accent - mind you I'm hopeless on accents  ajb007/biggrin  - what accent is it? whatever it is it grates on me  ajb007/lol

A parody of a Northern accent.

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Matt S wrote:
CoolHandBond wrote:
Sir Miles wrote:

No problem....it's NOT a Northern accent  ajb007/lol

Wow I've always associated it as being a Northern accent - mind you I'm hopeless on accents  ajb007/biggrin  - what accent is it? whatever it is it grates on me  ajb007/lol

A parody of a Northern accent.

Its a Manchester accent - you don't get more northern that that...

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I don't know! What about Durham? Or Newcastle?

Have you ever heard of the Emancipation Proclamation?"

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hehadlotsofguts wrote:

I don't know! What about Durham? Or Newcastle?

Well, I'm a southerner so Manchester is pretty north for me. But it is nothing compared with Durham...

I've always enjoyed Angela Scoulers performance...

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broadshoulder wrote:
Matt S wrote:
CoolHandBond wrote:

Wow I've always associated it as being a Northern accent - mind you I'm hopeless on accents  ajb007/biggrin  - what accent is it? whatever it is it grates on me  ajb007/lol

A parody of a Northern accent.

Its a Manchester accent - you don't get more northern that that...

It really ISN'T a Manchester accent - that accent hasn't been within a 100 miles of Manchester  ajb007/lol

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I live in the Northwest of England and it sounds like she is going for a North Lancashire accent, spoken by somebody not really from North Lancashire.  ajb007/lol
As far as OHMSS goes I agree with anybody who ranks it number one on their list of favourite Bond films. It's tremendous. Or as us Northerners would say that film is well mint.
Reet black pudding for tea and then I can race me greyhounds down't ginnel.

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The Wicker Man wrote:

I live in the Northwest of England and it sounds like she is going for a North Lancashire accent, spoken by somebody not really from North Lancashire.  ajb007/lol

Now THAT makes sense  ajb007/lol  thanks for the confirmation TWM  ajb007/smile
Can I just make clear that I have no gripe whatsoever with "Our Friends In The North" it's just that Ruby's accent is out of place and not natural - the point I was trying to make in my very clumsy way  ajb007/crap

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

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Sir Miles wrote:
broadshoulder wrote:
Matt S wrote:

A parody of a Northern accent.

Its a Manchester accent - you don't get more northern that that...

It really ISN'T a Manchester accent - that accent hasn't been within a 100 miles of Manchester  ajb007/lol

Oh well, its north of Watford Gap..

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broadshoulder wrote:
Sir Miles wrote:
broadshoulder wrote:

Its a Manchester accent - you don't get more northern that that...

It really ISN'T a Manchester accent - that accent hasn't been within a 100 miles of Manchester  ajb007/lol

Oh well, its north of Watford Gap..

True...but only just  ajb007/lol

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The Wicker Man wrote:

I live in the Northwest of England and it sounds like she is going for a North Lancashire accent, spoken by somebody not really from North Lancashire.  ajb007/lol

Indeed !  ajb007/biggrin

Morecambe is less than an hour away from me and they don't speak like that there...her accent is more 'RP with a Northern twang'  ajb007/insane

Still....smashing film though  ajb007/martini

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Could it be because it's snowing and she's
Only wearing a light blouse, that gives the
Impression she's from the north ?  ajb007/tongue   ajb007/biggrin

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Cons:
- The very first scene where M & Q are discussing radioactive mint and Bond's whereabouts is completely superfluous and spoils what should have been an excellent virtually silent introduction to the new OO7
- George Baker's dubbing of Lazenby's voice when OO7 is Sir Hilary Bray is completely unnecessary
- Angela Scoular's character seems out of place among all those posh birds (in the novel she was supposed to be quite wealthy, I thought
And that's it....

Pros:
- Fight scenes uniformly excellent
- Ski chases all excellent
- Bob sleigh fight is great, as OTT as the one that ends TB, but very compelling
- Diana Rigg, beautiful, sophisticated, sexy
- Good overall character development for the two stars, the two villains, and the supporting cast
- Gabrielle Ferzetti, a wonderful Draco
- Costumes, very 60s chic
- Design. What can you say about the Piz Gloria? Wow
- Locations. Portugal & Switzerland never looked lovelier
- Editing. Brash, sharp, incisive.
- Photography. Very good, especially the aerial and ski stuff
- Car chase / stock car rally. Wow - and it isn't even Bond driving !
- Music. Magnificent. Recently voted one of Top 10 soundtracks of all time in some newspaper poll. (The Independent?)
- Great screenplay, a brilliant adaptation of Fleming's work, retaining what was required, adding what is necessary, not a word wasted.
- Gumbold's Safe; probably the most understated tension filled few minutes ever in a Bond film.
- Direction. An all round competent consistent job. Hardly a shot wrong. The little flashes of inspiration (such as Tracy's unconscious body reflected in a London office window, or the slow pan up to her face at the baccarat table, or the fade from day to night by the swimming pool) are note worthy by their general rarity Bond movies.
- Lazenby. More than good; not brilliant (in fact he looks most relaxed when his voice is taken away from him at Piz Gloria) but a better job than he's usually given credit for. His Bond feels more clipped than Connery. He's not larking about very much. He's at his worst when doing the stuff Connery was very smooth with, like the patter with Moneypenny & M; yet his resignation scenes are brilliant.
- Excellent plot and set up
- Cable car stunt - OMFG!!!
- Violence. In your face, loud, nasty, no sentiment, few jokes (accepting 'Gatecrasher' which is quite funny.)
- Telly Savalas. The best and most physically menacing of the three actors to play Blofeld. A proper baddie for Bond to bash, like Grant and Largo.
- Credit sequence. Love the hourglass flashbacks.
- The End. Brings a little lump to the throat that.

This never happened to the other fella:
Yeah, okay, we all cringe a bit now; I understand it was a popular joke back in 1969, a nice little wink to the audience, breaking that third wall. I don't like it, but it doesn't kill the movie for me. Lazenby could have been asked to say 'This never happened before' and it'd be just as amusing or possibly as equally annoying.

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I think this film had the potential to be the absolute best Bond of the series, but I think It had a few hiccups along the way that don't help it.

The most jarring thing for me in this movie (and really in most of the Connery films) is the lack of attention they gave to continuity. Blofeld and Bond meet up and Blofeld doesn't even recognize Bond when they first meet. Considering how they met face to face in YOLT, it makes no sense whatsoever.

Also, the whole Sir Hillary Bray cover up is just bizarre, as is the ordeal with the girls.

I still think it has some of the best fighting sequences in any Bond film, and I like the love story even if it ends tragically.

It's still one of the highlights of the series

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Pros:
Just about everything.

Cons:
Lazenby can't deliver the Connery-style one-liners.
Unnecessary re-recording of most dialogue in post; production sound was surely good enough.
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I must point out that that's a very anti chicken post.  ajb007/wink
you'll get a roasting for that.  ajb007/lol

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Having worked on films behind the camera,  I can personally say that acting for film really is a very, very difficult craft. 

When on stage an actor has to be able to be subtle in some scenes but at the same time be able to project their performance to the back of the theater.  On film, wow is that a different animal.  Now not only are they performing to a small group of people withing spitting distance but the delicacy of their performance is being done under a microscope. The only advantage they have is at least they can redo the scene or line to fix or improve it many times.  However, there are even limits to that, and for most professional filmmakers ever take after the first starts to feel more and more like their trying to get that ring toss onto one of those milk bottles at the fair.  It builds stress and makes each take that much more important to get it done.

For an amateur like Lazenby, it must have been hell to go through.  Thankfully he had Rigg and Tavalas to help, though Hunt should have had his back the whole time.  The trouble was that Hunt was trained as a film editor and he guided the film from that persepective.  Like Hitchcock, he knew how he wanted the scene to play out on film, but was lacking when it came to how the actor should play the scene. 

I'll always give Lazenby credit for doing the job he did despite his shortcomings.  He was very lucky he got to do this particular film as it was one of the best of the series - which helped balance out his lack of experience.

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CmdrAtticus wrote:

The trouble was that Hunt was trained as a film editor and he guided the film from that persepective.  Like Hitchcock, he knew how he wanted the scene to play out on film, but was lacking when it came to how the actor should play the scene.

Many film directors begin careers as an editor it is a natural progression onto directing - David Lean, George Lucas, Martin Scorsese, John Sturges and Don Siegel are just five highly respected directors who began life as editors.

Peter Hunt directed OHMSS brilliantly, he blended action and pathos seamlessly and conjured a superb first acting performance from GL who would have only got better if he had not had listened to some silly advice from his agent.

Yeah, well, sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand.

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This is a really good thread to have a read of from start to finish. Seems most people are on the same page when it comes to OHMSS.

Lazenby for me is an excellent Bond and for someone who's never acted before (or much at all) - his effort is nothing short of incredible. Added to the context about Lazenby's acting ability, only doing one etc. he certainly looks the part. He's the most physically impressive. Out of all the Bonds, even Craig - the way he fights and handles action, he comes out on top. IMO he's also the best looking, particularly in the tailored suits.

I guess what influences my opinion is that much of what I've said above is fleeting - as he only did one. This adds to the whole intrigue of the film and him as Bond. Imagine if Sean only did Dr. No, people would probably rate DN a lot higher than they do.

Other than that here are my pros/cons.

Pros:

- It's something different. A nice change to the series. Overall the film is very different to anything else (CR is close).
- The effort that EON went to, to get it right, and the chance they took with an unknown.
- The cinematography and general direction.
- The choreography of the fight scenes.
- Score - it's different, and edgy.
- Hillary Bray elements, it's fun and interesting, and sustains quite a length in the film.
- Draco.
- How all the recurring characters (M, Q and MP) fit well and seem to have the faith in GL.
- Locations.
- "Not ground, ice."
- Only Bond with Christmas elements - and it's well done.
- How gorgeous Diana Rigg is.
- The best acted, most realistic, physically present Blofeld.
- Break-in scene.

Cons:

- The couple of scenes where GL isn't confident.
- Some of the clothing is far too time-warpy. Interestingly, this film seems to have the most influences to Austin Powers.
- PTS is slightly pretentious, made worse by the "other fella" line.
- GL only doing one.

Those cons are really nitpicky, and show how darn good the film actually is.

Have to say Peter Hunt's comments in the Making Of, are pretty interesting and candid. He seems proud but saddened at the same time, like a disappointed father.

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Pros:

-While Lazenby is no Connery, he manages to do a good job in his only performance as 007.  A shame he didn't show up for DAF, as I think he could've grown into the role.
-Great dialogue.
-Telly Savalas.  While I personally prefer Pleasence out of the Blofelds in the "Blofeld Trilogy" (YOLT/OHMSS/DAF), his Blofeld for me is a solid second.  A tough and serious rendition of the character, Savalas manages to be quite memorable as Bond's archnemesis.
-Gabriele Ferzetti as Draco.  Fantastic acting.
-Diana Rigg does a great job as Tracy.
-Great cinematography.

Cons:

-Gets a bit slow in the middle third.
-For some reason, Irma Bunt doesn't impress me that much.

Overall, I enjoy OHMSS, and give it a 9/10.

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1. TLD  2. TND  3. GF  4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
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The Wicker Man wrote:

I live in the Northwest of England and it sounds like she is going for a North Lancashire accent, spoken by somebody not really from North Lancashire.  ajb007/lol
As far as OHMSS goes I agree with anybody who ranks it number one on their list of favourite Bond films. It's tremendous. Or as us Northerners would say that film is well mint.
Reet black pudding for tea and then I can race me greyhounds down't ginnel.

As a North West resident too, I agree.  A rough parody of a Morecambe Bay accent with a dash of Derbyshire thrown in.  Like Sir Miles, I'm only a hour away from Morecambe (well by my driving anyway  ajb007/lol  ) and I've yet to come across anyone who speaks like that.  In fact, I've lived all over Lancashire and no-one speaks like Ruby, so that annoys me.

I absolutely love this film!  It is my Christmas Bond film and the Christmas Trees song is on my Christmas Music playlist, much to the annoyance of Mrs T and the bin lids.

The casting is superb.  Not a single person is poorly cast.  Telly as Blofeld is the best Blofeld ever.  He's thuggish, a brute, but intelligent and gets stuck in.  Can you imagine Donnie P or Charles G skiing after Bond or bombing along in a bob sled.  I don't think even Christopher Waltz could pull that one off!

Some have picked up on Blofeld not recognizing Bond.  I can go two ways on this:

1 - He recognised him but played along to see what was going on (Blofeld always looks suspicious of Bond as Sir Hilary)
2 - That the film is standalone from YOLT (I know that in the PTS credits Kissy Suzuki's face appears but just accept it and move on)

Some of the camera work is immense.  The safe cracking scene is done incredibly well and with the score it creates the right amount of tension.

George did a great job, and I have to agree with whoever mentioned the ice rink scene, he does look absolutely done in. 

I could go on, but I wont.  This is still my favourite Bond film.  My only gripe - the James Bond theme at the end.  It should have just faded to black.

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IanT wrote:
The Wicker Man wrote:

I live in the Northwest of England and it sounds like she is going for a North Lancashire accent, spoken by somebody not really from North Lancashire.  ajb007/lol
As far as OHMSS goes I agree with anybody who ranks it number one on their list of favourite Bond films. It's tremendous. Or as us Northerners would say that film is well mint.
Reet black pudding for tea and then I can race me greyhounds down't ginnel.

As a North West resident too, I agree.  A rough parody of a Morecambe Bay accent with a dash of Derbyshire thrown in.  Like Sir Miles, I'm only a hour away from Morecambe (well by my driving anyway  ajb007/lol  ) and I've yet to come across anyone who speaks like that.  In fact, I've lived all over Lancashire and no-one speaks like Ruby, so that annoys me.

I absolutely love this film!  It is my Christmas Bond film and the Christmas Trees song is on my Christmas Music playlist, much to the annoyance of Mrs T and the bin lids.

I agree. It's my favourite as well (FRWL alternates for first place with me ) My only gripe is with the Dubbing.Apart from that it's about as perfect as a Bond movie could be. George is fantastic in two scenes that I don't think anyone (except possibly DC) would have pulled off as well

The casting is superb.  Not a single person is poorly cast.  Telly as Blofeld is the best Blofeld ever.  He's thuggish, a brute, but intelligent and gets stuck in.  Can you imagine Donnie P or Charles G skiing after Bond or bombing along in a bob sled.  I don't think even Christopher Waltz could pull that one off!

Some have picked up on Blofeld not recognizing Bond.  I can go two ways on this:

1 - He recognised him but played along to see what was going on (Blofeld always looks suspicious of Bond as Sir Hilary)
2 - That the film is standalone from YOLT (I know that in the PTS credits Kissy Suzuki's face appears but just accept it and move on)

Some of the camera work is immense.  The safe cracking scene is done incredibly well and with the score it creates the right amount of tension.

George did a great job, and I have to agree with whoever mentioned the ice rink scene, he does look absolutely done in. 

I could go on, but I wont.  This is still my favourite Bond film.  My only gripe - the James Bond theme at the end.  It should have just faded to black.

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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IanT wrote:

Some have picked up on Blofeld not recognizing Bond.  I can go two ways on this:

1 - He recognised him but played along to see what was going on (Blofeld always looks suspicious of Bond as Sir Hilary)
2 - That the film is standalone from YOLT (I know that in the PTS credits Kissy Suzuki's face appears but just accept it and move on)

#2. OHMSS was supposed to be seen as a standalone film .... and Fleming's OHMSS was also released earlier than YOLT. OHMSS was supposed to be the 5th 007 film. However due to weather restrictions, the shooting could not take place in Switzerland so the producers decided to go with YOLT