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GoldenEye is the perfect bond film, in my eyes. I see quite a few more recent reviews on here that have been overwhelmingly negative towards the film - saying that it's just a dozen explosions throughout a 2h runtime, Brosnan is so stiff and bland, the cinematography is bad, the lighting is bad, it looks like a TV movie ... and so on.

Upon my viewings I have came to a knowledge some of these valid criticisms myself but they have never taken away from the enoyment I get whenever I watch GE, which is a couple times a year at least  ajb007/lol It came out the year I was born and was the first ever DVD I owned so I suppose it does hold a nostalgic place in my heart but, still. GoldenEye is Boss.

....and the best he ever managed was a sermon on the mount.

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DieAnotherDay wrote:

...the cinematography is bad, the lighting is bad, it looks like a TV movie ...

Those... I don't get.
If you think that the Isthmus Casino scenes from LTK are better lit than the Monte Carlo casino scenes, you must give me the name of your oculist.

Martin Campbell uses primarily stationary shots (mostly closeups in GE) with some movement, edited neatly to the character's perspective which adds a certain flow to the movie.
However, I don't see how that could qualify as TV Movie material.

"...I have the oddest feeling we will be meeting again sometime..."
-Roger Moore's James Bond. RIP.
I have a YouTube channel on all things Bond (amongst other things, coming soon™).
The name's Bond and Beyond. It's currently on hold, though.

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Dirty Punker wrote:
DieAnotherDay wrote:

...the cinematography is bad, the lighting is bad, it looks like a TV movie ...

Those... I don't get.
If you think that the Isthmus Casino scenes from LTK are better lit than the Monte Carlo casino scenes, you must give me the name of your oculist.

Martin Campbell uses primarily stationary shots (mostly closeups in GE) with some movement, edited neatly to the character's perspective which adds a certain flow to the movie.
However, I don't see how that could qualify as TV Movie material.

Agreed. I think overall that the cinematography in Goldeneye is great. Phil Meheux shot both Goldeneye and Casino Royale extremely well in my opinion.

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I too think   Phil Meheux did a wonderful job
On both movies.  ajb007/martini

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."

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Dirty Punker wrote:
DieAnotherDay wrote:

...the cinematography is bad, the lighting is bad, it looks like a TV movie ...

Those... I don't get.
If you think that the Isthmus Casino scenes from LTK are better lit than the Monte Carlo casino scenes, you must give me the name of your oculist.

Martin Campbell uses primarily stationary shots (mostly closeups in GE) with some movement, edited neatly to the character's perspective which adds a certain flow to the movie.
However, I don't see how that could qualify as TV Movie material.

I do 'get ' those criticisms, but I think it transcends them. Like most Bond movies it has some great moments. Brozzer reminds me of Lazenby in as much as at times he 'owns' it and in others seems out of his depth. The camera work and colour saturation does to me make it look TV. Like. When first seeing it Mrs Zaphod then studying film said ' "this was made to look good on Television" Now of course the distance between television and film is negligible (see Netflix) so is no longer a slight. It sags and drags,  but the highlights are outstanding. I tend to zoom during the Russian section, but as a confirmed  Daltonista I have to confess that it is more successful than LTK, but I would love to have seen Timboy in it.

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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^ Very true about how many times Brozzer owns it in GE. Granted, it's not his most diverse acting performance in the role but I think he comes across as the definition of 'cool' here. So many subtle nuances that just add to the endless appeal of Bond. My favourites are Brozzer calmly head-tilting to dodge the flying bullets, The delivery of "how original" and the uninterested scoff he gives Alec after he's lectured about the Vodka Martini's silencing the screams. Just great wee details that add to the character.

....and the best he ever managed was a sermon on the mount.

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Even the eye brow raise at pulling rank is pulled off masterfully.
He is Bond.

"...I have the oddest feeling we will be meeting again sometime..."
-Roger Moore's James Bond. RIP.
I have a YouTube channel on all things Bond (amongst other things, coming soon™).
The name's Bond and Beyond. It's currently on hold, though.

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I've noticed the colors of the film are very different between the 1999 DVD and the more recent ones. The whole "looks like TV movie cinematography" I think is due to the different look on those later releases. Was the old DVD closer to how it originally looked?
ajb007/martini

1. GE 2. CR 3. LTK 4. TLD 5. TB 6. GF 7. FRWL 8. DN 9. OHMSS 10. QOS 11. TND 12. TSWLM 13. FYEO 14. OP 15. MR 16. TWINE 17. DAD 18. SF 19. DAF 20. AVTAK 21. LALD 22. TMWTGG 23. YOLT 24. SP

1. Connery 2. Moore 3. Dalton 4. Brosnan 5. Craig 6. Lazenby

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Remington wrote:

I've noticed the colors of the film are very different between the 1999 DVD and the more recent ones. The whole "looks like TV movie cinematography" I think is due to the different look on those later releases. Was the old DVD closer to how it originally looked?
ajb007/martini

The deeper contrast on the newer version is fairly accurate, but the overall color hues on the earlier release is closer to what the film looked like in cinemas. I saw it about 12 times. I was pretty obsessed with the colors on the Bonds and whenever I'd catch one in the cinema I'd be calibrating my television afterwards to try and get it as close as possible.

One big difference between the cinematic prints and pretty much every home video release I've seen is the gunbarrel.
In the cinema the blood was very very dark, almost maroon. The later Brosnan movies brightened the blood a bit and that's what the VHS, DVD and Blu-rays capture.

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ToTheRight wrote:
Remington wrote:

I've noticed the colors of the film are very different between the 1999 DVD and the more recent ones. The whole "looks like TV movie cinematography" I think is due to the different look on those later releases. Was the old DVD closer to how it originally looked?
ajb007/martini

The deeper contrast on the newer version is fairly accurate, but the overall color hues on the earlier release is closer to what the film looked like in cinemas. I saw it about 12 times. I was pretty obsessed with the colors on the Bonds and whenever I'd catch one in the cinema I'd be calibrating my television afterwards to try and get it as close as possible.

One big difference between the cinematic prints and pretty much every home video release I've seen is the gunbarrel.
In the cinema the blood was very very dark, almost maroon. The later Brosnan movies brightened the blood a bit and that's what the VHS, DVD and Blu-rays capture.

Interesting. Thank you.
ajb007/martini

1. GE 2. CR 3. LTK 4. TLD 5. TB 6. GF 7. FRWL 8. DN 9. OHMSS 10. QOS 11. TND 12. TSWLM 13. FYEO 14. OP 15. MR 16. TWINE 17. DAD 18. SF 19. DAF 20. AVTAK 21. LALD 22. TMWTGG 23. YOLT 24. SP

1. Connery 2. Moore 3. Dalton 4. Brosnan 5. Craig 6. Lazenby

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Remington wrote:
ToTheRight wrote:
Remington wrote:

I've noticed the colors of the film are very different between the 1999 DVD and the more recent ones. The whole "looks like TV movie cinematography" I think is due to the different look on those later releases. Was the old DVD closer to how it originally looked?
ajb007/martini

The deeper contrast on the newer version is fairly accurate, but the overall color hues on the earlier release is closer to what the film looked like in cinemas. I saw it about 12 times. I was pretty obsessed with the colors on the Bonds and whenever I'd catch one in the cinema I'd be calibrating my television afterwards to try and get it as close as possible.

One big difference between the cinematic prints and pretty much every home video release I've seen is the gunbarrel.
In the cinema the blood was very very dark, almost maroon. The later Brosnan movies brightened the blood a bit and that's what the VHS, DVD and Blu-rays capture.

Interesting. Thank you.
ajb007/martini

Remington, I found this link that may be of use.
http://goldeneyedossier.blogspot.gr/201 … small.html

"...I have the oddest feeling we will be meeting again sometime..."
-Roger Moore's James Bond. RIP.
I have a YouTube channel on all things Bond (amongst other things, coming soon™).
The name's Bond and Beyond. It's currently on hold, though.

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Dirty Punker wrote:
Remington wrote:
ToTheRight wrote:

The deeper contrast on the newer version is fairly accurate, but the overall color hues on the earlier release is closer to what the film looked like in cinemas. I saw it about 12 times. I was pretty obsessed with the colors on the Bonds and whenever I'd catch one in the cinema I'd be calibrating my television afterwards to try and get it as close as possible.

One big difference between the cinematic prints and pretty much every home video release I've seen is the gunbarrel.
In the cinema the blood was very very dark, almost maroon. The later Brosnan movies brightened the blood a bit and that's what the VHS, DVD and Blu-rays capture.

Interesting. Thank you.
ajb007/martini

Remington, I found this link that may be of use.
http://goldeneyedossier.blogspot.gr/201 … small.html

Fascination info. Much appreciated brother.
ajb007/martini

1. GE 2. CR 3. LTK 4. TLD 5. TB 6. GF 7. FRWL 8. DN 9. OHMSS 10. QOS 11. TND 12. TSWLM 13. FYEO 14. OP 15. MR 16. TWINE 17. DAD 18. SF 19. DAF 20. AVTAK 21. LALD 22. TMWTGG 23. YOLT 24. SP

1. Connery 2. Moore 3. Dalton 4. Brosnan 5. Craig 6. Lazenby

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Dirty Punker wrote:

Even the eye brow raise at pulling rank is pulled off masterfully.
He is Bond.

That is such a terrific micro moment. Very classy.

Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.

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Dirty Punker wrote:
Remington wrote:
ToTheRight wrote:

The deeper contrast on the newer version is fairly accurate, but the overall color hues on the earlier release is closer to what the film looked like in cinemas. I saw it about 12 times. I was pretty obsessed with the colors on the Bonds and whenever I'd catch one in the cinema I'd be calibrating my television afterwards to try and get it as close as possible.

One big difference between the cinematic prints and pretty much every home video release I've seen is the gunbarrel.
In the cinema the blood was very very dark, almost maroon. The later Brosnan movies brightened the blood a bit and that's what the VHS, DVD and Blu-rays capture.

Interesting. Thank you.
ajb007/martini

Remington, I found this link that may be of use.
http://goldeneyedossier.blogspot.gr/201 … small.html

That is a great link. Wish there were one for each film. Always fun to compare the differences in the various video releases.

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^ very interesting indeed. The colouring/restoration process has always been an interesting topic - and something that fans take notice of. The whole tidy-up of Hitchcock's Vertigo is one that's interesting about how much artistic licence should be allowed.

I watched the PTS of Goldeneye over the weekend and noticed quite a few interesting shots that are very unique to GE - in particular the close up framing of Brosnan's reaction shots - such as the blue sky background when he picks up the bike - total hero shots.

I get the "TV movie" sentiment. All the outside shots look great and much of the cinematography is perfectly fine - it's just that some of the inside sets can let the film down:

https://screenmusings.org/movie/blu-ray … e-0560.jpg

The sets lack a bit of polish, and a bit of atmosphere. It exists in TND as well and it's something that gets tidied up in TWINE...

1. TWINE  2. FYEO  3. MR  4. TLD  5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS  7. DN  8. OP  9. AVTAK  10. TMWTGG  11. QoS 12. GE  13. CR  14. TB  15. FRWL  16. LTK  17. GF  18. SF  19. LaLD  20. YOLT  21. TND  22. DAD  23. DAF.

"If you'll forgive me, that's a little too scented for my palate."

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heartbroken_mr_drax wrote:

^ very interesting indeed. The colouring/restoration process has always been an interesting topic - and something that fans take notice of. The whole tidy-up of Hitchcock's Vertigo is one that's interesting about how much artistic licence should be allowed.

I watched the PTS of Goldeneye over the weekend and noticed quite a few interesting shots that are very unique to GE - in particular the close up framing of Brosnan's reaction shots - such as the blue sky background when he picks up the bike - total hero shots.

The sets lack a bit of polish, and a bit of atmosphere. It exists in TND as well and it's something that gets tidied up in TWINE...

Yes, the GoldenEye Dossier is a great resource, wish it was done for more films.

Campbell also has a hankering for crotch shots in GoldenEye; the butcher walking away and Natalya walking up to Brosnan on the beach. Not to mention that he also uses beach scenes for the emotional stuff (the aforementioned scene and the scene with Vesper in Casino Royale). Another thing that I admire on GE (off the top of my head) are the tracking, single shot scenes, the Moneypenny scene and the deleted one where Bond and Vesper are walking up to the car in Casino Royale.
Honestly, if I ever get bored enough, I might make such directorial connections throughout the span of the movie for GoldenEye and Casino Royale.

I think they make up for it in lighting and cinematography which add to the effect. Coordinated lighting is something I hadn't seen before in a Bond (the Fort Knox miniature scene in GF being the only other contender, can't think of any others).
https://preview.ibb.co/kL4fO7/Screen_Shot_2018_02_19_at_14_43_23.png
https://preview.ibb.co/kBZQqn/Screen_Shot_2018_02_19_at_14_43_55.png
https://preview.ibb.co/hc9fO7/Screen_Shot_2018_02_19_at_14_47_18.png
The scene I was thinking of, below.
https://preview.ibb.co/iiRS37/Screen_Shot_2018_02_19_at_14_49_30.png

"...I have the oddest feeling we will be meeting again sometime..."
-Roger Moore's James Bond. RIP.
I have a YouTube channel on all things Bond (amongst other things, coming soon™).
The name's Bond and Beyond. It's currently on hold, though.

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Dirty Punker wrote:

https://preview.ibb.co/kBZQqn/Screen_Shot_2018_02_19_at_14_43_55.png

Absolutely love that shot of Brosnan.

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walther p99 wrote:
Dirty Punker wrote:

https://preview.ibb.co/kBZQqn/Screen_Shot_2018_02_19_at_14_43_55.png

Absolutely love that shot of Brosnan.

Not just that, the whole build up to it is brilliant.

"...I have the oddest feeling we will be meeting again sometime..."
-Roger Moore's James Bond. RIP.
I have a YouTube channel on all things Bond (amongst other things, coming soon™).
The name's Bond and Beyond. It's currently on hold, though.

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Dirty Punker wrote:

I think they make up for it in lighting and cinematography which add to the effect. Coordinated lighting is something I hadn't seen before in a Bond (the Fort Knox miniature scene in GF being the only other contender, can't think of any others).

100% agree with that.

1. TWINE  2. FYEO  3. MR  4. TLD  5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS  7. DN  8. OP  9. AVTAK  10. TMWTGG  11. QoS 12. GE  13. CR  14. TB  15. FRWL  16. LTK  17. GF  18. SF  19. LaLD  20. YOLT  21. TND  22. DAD  23. DAF.

"If you'll forgive me, that's a little too scented for my palate."

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Definitely a fantastic introduction to a fantastic Bond.
ajb007/martini

1. GE 2. CR 3. LTK 4. TLD 5. TB 6. GF 7. FRWL 8. DN 9. OHMSS 10. QOS 11. TND 12. TSWLM 13. FYEO 14. OP 15. MR 16. TWINE 17. DAD 18. SF 19. DAF 20. AVTAK 21. LALD 22. TMWTGG 23. YOLT 24. SP

1. Connery 2. Moore 3. Dalton 4. Brosnan 5. Craig 6. Lazenby

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I've an issue with my GE Blu-ray: it skips a bit around the time Natalya's kidnapped.  I dunno if that can be fixed.

If I recall well, it did that in my last 2 viewings (I think I commented on both here).  Most of the film flows fine, as I recall, it just has that minor issue.

A shame, since this is one of those films that has major replay value for me.

My other Bond Blu-rays have worked fine, btw.

"Hostile takeovers.  Shall we?"

1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. OP 5. TSWLM 6. MR 7. TWINE 8. TMWTGG 9. OHMSS 10. FRWL 11. L&LD 12. SF 13. LtK 14. YOLT 15. DN 16. QoS 17. DAD 18. AVTAK 19. CR 20. TB 21. FYEO 22. DAF (SP to be included later; GE to be rewatched and re-ranked)
1) Brosnan 2) Dalton 3) Moore 4) Connery 5) Lazenby and Craig

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By skipping you mean it freezes and goes to another part of the film?
If the blu ray player is at fault, clean the laser innit. If it's the disc... buy another one.

"...I have the oddest feeling we will be meeting again sometime..."
-Roger Moore's James Bond. RIP.
I have a YouTube channel on all things Bond (amongst other things, coming soon™).
The name's Bond and Beyond. It's currently on hold, though.

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I'm pretty sure it's the disc. 

I'll have to deal with that soon, as Bond 25 comes soon so I need GE for my Bondathons prior.

"Hostile takeovers.  Shall we?"

1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. OP 5. TSWLM 6. MR 7. TWINE 8. TMWTGG 9. OHMSS 10. FRWL 11. L&LD 12. SF 13. LtK 14. YOLT 15. DN 16. QoS 17. DAD 18. AVTAK 19. CR 20. TB 21. FYEO 22. DAF (SP to be included later; GE to be rewatched and re-ranked)
1) Brosnan 2) Dalton 3) Moore 4) Connery 5) Lazenby and Craig

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Bought GoldenEye once more (previously I'd purchased the Bond 50 collection).  We're flowing into summer, a fine period to Bond out.

"Hostile takeovers.  Shall we?"

1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. OP 5. TSWLM 6. MR 7. TWINE 8. TMWTGG 9. OHMSS 10. FRWL 11. L&LD 12. SF 13. LtK 14. YOLT 15. DN 16. QoS 17. DAD 18. AVTAK 19. CR 20. TB 21. FYEO 22. DAF (SP to be included later; GE to be rewatched and re-ranked)
1) Brosnan 2) Dalton 3) Moore 4) Connery 5) Lazenby and Craig

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I largely enjoy the film, but my main gripe with it would be with Travelyan's intention for Bond. Specfically... I've no idea what he intends for him. What does he want to do with Bond? Does he intend to kill him or for him to survive so he can enjoy his success? I was thoroughly confused by that, throughout. That, and the unimpressive score really bring it down.