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Laser to the Nuts? No thanks  ajb007/biggrin

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:

.  So, they just went nuts with it.

That was the big big problem with dad. Subtely is an alien word

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It was the 40th Anniversary of the Franchise, and I think EON wanted to make it a Birthday Bash.

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Yeah, I agree Omega.  They wanted to make it big.  Bigger didn't necessarily mean better.  The movie lacked a clear sense of direction, but it was really fun.  I think that since there's several movies in the series that both lack a sense of direction and aren't fun, Die Another Day avoids my bottom 5.  I'd call it underrated for sure.

I'll put it this way:

TND = great action + bad story + dull drab atmosphere + maudlin
DAD = great action + passable story + colorful atmosphere + fun

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I'd dispute that DAD had a bad story (all the ingredients are there, some from the MR novel). The way it was directed, that's a different matter.

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I said TND and DAD had bad stories to simplify my point, but truth be told, DAD's story was passable - not bad.  It was original, for sure.  A palace of ice, North Korea, DNA cloning.  That's quite an imagination.

What was wrong with the direction?  You mean CGI (understandable) or just the pacing of the scenes>

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:

What was wrong with the direction?

A severe OTT attitude. Taken down just a few notches and DAD would have been a solid entry IMO.

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I don't necessarily agree.  It's a ridiculous movie at its very core.  I think a pretense of reality would've achieved the opposite effect.

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:

What was wrong with the direction?

  ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol

Directed by an incompetent.Never had I been so embarassed when watching a movie.

There are a couple of scenes in Cuba which pass muster - but the rest is shot to hell..

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The CGI Wind Surfing Scene always gets a Laugh from me  ajb007/lol

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broadshoulder wrote:

Directed by an incompetent.

LOL, yeah, that's easy to say... he's actually a quite capable director. His choice to make DAD an OTT cartoon was the problem, not his skills or lack thereof.

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To be honest I've gone on about DAD too long.

But his vision of what the film was about and what Bond was about was all wrong

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broadshoulder wrote:

But his vision of what the film was about and what Bond was about was all wrong

I agree with the first part totally, but he seemed to leave Bond alone. Brosnan gave his best performance in a sea of nonsense.

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chrisisall wrote:
broadshoulder wrote:

But his vision of what the film was about and what Bond was about was all wrong

I agree with the first part totally, but he seemed to leave Bond alone. Brosnan gave his best performance in a sea of nonsense.

You know that James bond was a codename according to tamahori

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chrisisall wrote:

Brosnan gave his best performance.

Kudos, chrisisall. Something that's often forgotten on the endless DAD-bashing bandwagon. There are many things that can be nitpicked about that (or indeed any other) film, but Brosnan's performance isn't one of them (although IMHO his best Bond performance was one film earlier).

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Barbel wrote:

(although IMHO his best Bond performance was one film earlier).

Personally, I thought he did a great job on all his last three, and a really good one on his first.

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Barbel wrote:
chrisisall wrote:

Brosnan gave his best performance.

Kudos, chrisisall. Something that's often forgotten on the endless DAD-bashing bandwagon. There are many things that can be nitpicked about that (or indeed any other) film, but Brosnan's performance isn't one of them (although IMHO his best Bond performance was one film earlier).

+1 ajb007/cheers

Agree with both points.

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chrisisall wrote:
Barbel wrote:

(although IMHO his best Bond performance was one film earlier).

Personally, I thought he did a great job on all his last three, and a really good one on his first.

No arguments from me.  ajb007/cheers

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Barbel wrote:
chrisisall wrote:

Brosnan gave his best performance.

Kudos, chrisisall. Something that's often forgotten on the endless DAD-bashing bandwagon. There are many things that can be nitpicked about that (or indeed any other) film, but Brosnan's performance isn't one of them (although IMHO his best Bond performance was one film earlier).

To be honest...perhaps your right..

But caught between those two powerhouse Bonds - ie Dalton and Craig - he was found wanting.I was a devotee of the Dalton years and found with Brosnan - where did James Bond go?

But its not entirely his fault - his directors could have been better...

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If Die Another Day were a new IP rather than a James Bond film, it would've gotten much more acclaim.

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:

If Die Another Day were a new IP rather than a James Bond film, it would've gotten much more acclaim.

There was going to be a Jinx Spin off, but luckily that Idea was shot down.

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I meant moreso in terms of being separated from the Bond license rather than getting a sequel.

I don't see it as a horrible film at all.  The biggest mark it has against it is that it's not really a James Bond film.

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:

The biggest mark it has against it is that it's not really a James Bond film.

You mean like how Star Trek: Generations is not really a Star Trek film?
ajb007/lol

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:

The biggest mark it has against it is that it's not really a James Bond film.

Actually, its not - its a bad parody of a James bond film..

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Pros:
Cool Hovercraft Chase
Graves Parachute Jump
Awesome Sword Fight
John Cleese as Q
The Virtual Reality scene (not a fan of the idea, but the scen is excellent in MI6)
Ice Palace (if there's an ice hotel, I can buy this ice hotel - someone rich would do it.)
Excellent Car Chase
Rosamund Pike as Miranda Frost

Cons:
Halle Berry
Gene Alteration surgery in Cuba
Awkward sex scene with Bond and Jinx
Madonna Song
Madonna Cameo
Invisible Car (although other gadgets on the car are good)
Awful Laser Scene
Jinx is the worst agent I've ever seen (since Rosie in LALD!)
Terrible CGI
Windsurfing scene
Bad Plane Scene
Moneypenny and Bond scene

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