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MilleniumForce wrote:

Madonna Cameo

Why?  She wasn't that bad.

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:
MilleniumForce wrote:

Madonna Cameo

Why?  She wasn't that bad.

I agree; it was pretty innocuous.

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:
MilleniumForce wrote:

Madonna Cameo

Why?  She wasn't that bad.

She couldn't act her way out of a paper bag

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That's how I know that was a real fall at the Brits. As she couldn't
Act it.  ajb007/lol

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broadshoulder wrote:
Absolutely_Cart wrote:
MilleniumForce wrote:

Madonna Cameo

Why?  She wasn't that bad.

She couldn't act her way out of a paper bag

She isn't really required to do much acting. It would matter more if her part was more significant, but as it I think she's pretty innocuous as our friend chris says.

"Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."

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MilleniumForce wrote:

Jinx is the worst agent I've ever seen (since Rosie in LALD!)

They're pretty bad, but I'd throw Mary Goodnight into the mix as well.

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Blackleiter wrote:
broadshoulder wrote:
Absolutely_Cart wrote:

Why?  She wasn't that bad.

She couldn't act her way out of a paper bag

She isn't really required to do much acting. It would matter more if her part was more significant, but as it I think she's pretty innocuous as our friend chris says.

Sorry but when the scene is written around you, when the director gives you crummy lines - you are required to do some acting. She may not be RADA trained but she is required to do some.

Is funny how Severine gets the same amount of time as Verity and doesn't stink the place up..

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broadshoulder wrote:
Blackleiter wrote:
broadshoulder wrote:

She couldn't act her way out of a paper bag

She isn't really required to do much acting. It would matter more if her part was more significant, but as it I think she's pretty innocuous as our friend chris says.

Sorry but when the scene is written around you, when the director gives you crummy lines - you are required to do some acting. She may not be RADA trained but she is required to do some.

Is funny how Severine gets the same amount of time as Verity and doesn't stink the place up..

I didn't say she wasn't required to do any acting - I said she wasn't required to do much acting. Madonna's part in DAD is so minimal and inconsequential that I barely noticed how well or poorly she did her lines, which is why she's innocuous to me. Severine, on the other hand, had a much more significant role despite her brief screen time (and Bérénice Marlohe pulls it off beautifully), so I don't think the comparison is particularly apt.

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Pros:

•    Brosnan turns in one of his better performances
•    The first 15 or 20 minutes are among the darkest in any Bond film, presaging the Craig era
•    The main title sequence is outstanding – a world away from Maurice Binder’s arty nudes
•    The long-haired, bearded Bond cuts a strikingly incongruous figure in Hong Kong
•    Bond’s treatment of the arrogant South African is genuinely funny
•    Rosalind Pike’s over-the-top performance as Miranda Frost shouldn’t work but does
•    The fencing match is superbly choreographed

Cons:

•    The CGI
•    The science-fiction elements, which fail to convince, as usual
•    The plot is basically a rehash of Diamonds Are Forever mixed with elements of the Moonraker novel
•    The “gene therapy” plot strand isn’t very convincing
•    An invisible car is borderline insulting to the intelligence
•    The scene where Bond fakes cardiac arrest makes no sense
•    The title song is the worst of the entire series
•    The overall tone is inconsistent — the film can’t decide whether it wants to be a noir-ish Craig-like spy thriller or a Moore-like romp
•    A lot of the dialogue consists of groan-inducing double entendres (though less so than Tomorrow Never Dies)

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Blackleiter wrote:
broadshoulder wrote:
Blackleiter wrote:

She isn't really required to do much acting. It would matter more if her part was more significant, but as it I think she's pretty innocuous as our friend chris says.

Sorry but when the scene is written around you, when the director gives you crummy lines - you are required to do some acting. She may not be RADA trained but she is required to do some.

Is funny how Severine gets the same amount of time as Verity and doesn't stink the place up..

I didn't say she wasn't required to do any acting - I said she wasn't required to do much acting. Madonna's part in DAD is so minimal and inconsequential that I barely noticed how well or poorly she did her lines, which is why she's innocuous to me. Severine, on the other hand, had a much more significant role despite her brief screen time (and Bérénice Marlohe pulls it off beautifully), so I don't think the comparison is particularly apt.

Was there really any need for Madonna to be there? - she's one of the most recognisable faces on the planet. Were the producers pleased that she could do it?

Would the film been better for her not being there?

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broadshoulder wrote:

Would the film been better for her not being there?

I honestly don't think it would have made any difference either way.

"Felix Leiter, a brother from Langley."

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Blackleiter wrote:
broadshoulder wrote:

Would the film been better for her not being there?

I honestly don't think it would have made any difference either way.

+1  ajb007/cheers

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Still believe it's very underrated.  I think once we get out of the Craig era (which by the way, don't get me wrong, I'll love), we'll be more accepting of a colorful less serious Bond film.

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I quite agree.

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:

Still believe it's very underrated.  I think once we get out of the Craig era (which by the way, don't get me wrong, I'll love), we'll be more accepting of a colorful less serious Bond film.

What I don't quite understand is how many fans actually like MR a lot but most fans seem to despise DAD.... that's like loving apples but hating applesauce. ajb007/insane

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Depends on the apples used to make the sauce ?  ajb007/wink

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."

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Thunderpussy wrote:

Depends on the apples used to make the sauce ?  ajb007/wink

TP, I absolutely DEPEND upon you to bring in the obtuse. ajb007/lol

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chrisisall wrote:
Absolutely_Cart wrote:

Still believe it's very underrated.  I think once we get out of the Craig era (which by the way, don't get me wrong, I'll love), we'll be more accepting of a colorful less serious Bond film.

What I don't quite understand is how many fans actually like MR a lot but most fans seem to despise DAD.... that's like loving apples but hating applesauce. ajb007/insane

MR has a consistent tone, and I think it's much better paced. The locations are better in MR. There are many similarities between the two films, but I think a lot of Moonraker is much better done.

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Matt S wrote:

MR has a consistent tone

Agreed; consistently silly.  ajb007/lol
MR has better photography, way better music, and better set design, but DAD has a way funnier villain, and Brosnan & Pike.
DAD wins for me. ajb007/martini

Putting it on right now! ajb007/biggrin

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chrisisall wrote:
Matt S wrote:

MR has a consistent tone

Agreed; consistently silly.  ajb007/lol
MR has better photography, way better music, and better set design, but DAD has a way funnier villain, and Brosnan & Pike.
DAD wins for me. ajb007/martini

Putting it on right now! ajb007/biggrin

Haha. I prefer Moore over Brosnan, and Dr. Goodhead is one of the best Bond girls. Rosamond Pike has looks, but I never liked her character. And Halle Berry is just terrible.

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Matt S wrote:

Haha. I prefer Moore over Brosnan, and Dr. Goodhead is one of the best Bond girls. Rosamond Pike has looks, but I never liked her character. And Halle Berry is just terrible.

Sorry, having too much fun with DAD to debate this presently! ajb007/biggrin

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Matt S wrote:
chrisisall wrote:
Absolutely_Cart wrote:

Still believe it's very underrated.  I think once we get out of the Craig era (which by the way, don't get me wrong, I'll love), we'll be more accepting of a colorful less serious Bond film.

What I don't quite understand is how many fans actually like MR a lot but most fans seem to despise DAD.... that's like loving apples but hating applesauce. ajb007/insane

MR has a consistent tone, and I think it's much better paced. The locations are better in MR. There are many similarities between the two films, but I think a lot of Moonraker is much better done.

This ^

MR has the better Locations  ajb007/martini

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chrisisall wrote:
Absolutely_Cart wrote:

Still believe it's very underrated.  I think once we get out of the Craig era (which by the way, don't get me wrong, I'll love), we'll be more accepting of a colorful less serious Bond film.

What I don't quite understand is how many fans actually like MR a lot but most fans seem to despise DAD.... that's like loving apples but hating applesauce. ajb007/insane

Exactly!  Even Moore said "I was the first Bond in space and I found DAD ridiculous". 

I think campy elements are only criticized in low-ranked films.  Oh, Moore in a clown suit is bad?  Well, all of you were okay with Bond driving a tank in a populated city, despite being a SECRET agent.

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I wouldn't really call the GE Tank Sequence Campy though.

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It's immersion breaking.  The point of a secret agent is to do what the military cannot.  To work covertly and not make noise.