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Absolutely_Cart wrote:
Matt S wrote:
Absolutely_Cart wrote:

I decided to watch this movie in tribute of Christopher Lee.  Lee was great and JW added some laughs but I otherwise found it stale. The finale was supposed to be great but by then I was half asleep

Moore's fantastic performance couldn't keep you interested? I know most people say Moore didn't settle into the role until TSWLM, but he's quite comfortable and confident as Bond here. He plays Bond very straight in this film, which maybe throws some people off because they're used to his humour. But he's very convincing as a serious Bond in this film to me and thoroughly keeps my interest through this film.

They tried to make Bond dark and ruthless.  Moore didn't like excessive violence and it became awkward.  There were a lot of scenes like violently interrogating Scaramanga's wife that just feel out of place in a Moore film.  FYEO was dark but even in that movie, Moore's Bond had heart and some class.

Writers fault.  Not Moores

They were never married. She was just his Mistress.

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Everything is bad about this movie except Sir Christopher Lee. This had potential, but unfortunately they rushed it.

Top 10 Bond Films
1. Thunderball 2. FRWL 3. Casino Royale 4. TLD 5. OHMSS 6. SkyFall 7. GF 8. TSWLM 9. GE 10. FYEO

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DevilMayCare007 wrote:

Everything is bad about this movie except Sir Christopher Lee. This had potential, but unfortunately they rushed it.

Even the Soundtrack and Locations?

Both are my favourite Parts of the Film.

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Pro:
- Roger Moore as a convincing Bond
- J.W.'s return
- great locations esecially scaramanga's island
- scaramanga is a solid villain
- classic lightness of a Bond-movie

Con:
- stereotypical/hysterical bond girl
- Nick Nack isn't really a threat (what should be the main purpose of a henchman)
ajb007/martini

"You see Mr.Bond, you can't kill my dreams...but my dreams can kill you.Time to face destiny" - "Time to face gravity"

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AlphaOmegaSin wrote:
DevilMayCare007 wrote:

Everything is bad about this movie except Sir Christopher Lee. This had potential, but unfortunately they rushed it.

Even the Soundtrack and Locations?

Both are my favourite Parts of the Film.

The soundtrack was ehhh, but I believe John Barry barely had time to work on it ? And the locations were okay, but I did like scaramanga's playhouse

Top 10 Bond Films
1. Thunderball 2. FRWL 3. Casino Royale 4. TLD 5. OHMSS 6. SkyFall 7. GF 8. TSWLM 9. GE 10. FYEO

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:
Matt S wrote:
Absolutely_Cart wrote:

I decided to watch this movie in tribute of Christopher Lee.  Lee was great and JW added some laughs but I otherwise found it stale. The finale was supposed to be great but by then I was half asleep

Moore's fantastic performance couldn't keep you interested? I know most people say Moore didn't settle into the role until TSWLM, but he's quite comfortable and confident as Bond here. He plays Bond very straight in this film, which maybe throws some people off because they're used to his humour. But he's very convincing as a serious Bond in this film to me and thoroughly keeps my interest through this film.

They tried to make Bond dark and ruthless.  Moore didn't like excessive violence and it became awkward.  There were a lot of scenes like violently interrogating Scaramanga's wife that just feel out of place in a Moore film.  FYEO was dark but even in that movie, Moore's Bond had heart and some class.

Writers fault.  Not Moores

Moore is hardly violent in the film. Scaramanga is the only person he kills in the entire film! This is the least violent Bond film. One of the best scenes is when he explains that he doesn't kill for pleasure and only on the strictest orders from his government. And that holds true in this film since the only person he kills in the person he is ordered (or rather implied by M) to kill. I don't know what you're talking about with Scaramanga's wife, since Scaramanga was not married.

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DevilMayCare007 wrote:
AlphaOmegaSin wrote:
DevilMayCare007 wrote:

Everything is bad about this movie except Sir Christopher Lee. This had potential, but unfortunately they rushed it.

Even the Soundtrack and Locations?

Both are my favourite Parts of the Film.

The soundtrack was ehhh, but I believe John Barry barely had time to work on it ? And the locations were okay, but I did like scaramanga's playhouse

It was certainly John Barry's weakest score and theme of his 12 Bond films. It's still a serviceable score, but it's weak considering the greatness of his other scores.

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I've personally always liked the Soundtrack. But each to there own  ajb007/cheers

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Totally agree with Matt S, it's Barry's weakest Bond work.
Yes, DMC, Barry had to do a rush job here, and didn't much care for it himself.
And yes, AOS, I like it too.

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AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

I've personally always liked the Soundtrack. But each to there own  ajb007/cheers

I still like it too, just not as much as all of Barry's other Bond scores. But it's significant for introducing Barry's new approach to the James Bond theme that he would use through his four Moore films and the gun barrel in The Living Daylights.

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Pros:

Good idea, and an improvement over some elements of the novel.
Roger Moore is fine as Bond.
Christopher Lee and Herve Villechaize are excellent as the villains.
The film has the last vestiges of a 1960s production.
Some stunts are quite engaging, though by now, the Bond films are becoming over-reliant on them.
The seaplane and island are intriguing.
The Queen Elizabeth set and concept were interesting.

Cons:

Maud Adams is too dry; Britt Ekland is too kooky.
Southeast Asia, rather than looking exotic, seems dirty and unappealing.
The main plot has no momentum.
Though Bond and Scaramanga interact much more than Bond and Trevelyan in Goldeneye, the effect of two great assassins fighting one another still seems sketchy.
One guard/technician at Scaramanga's lair makes sense storywise but is underwhelming for a film.
J.W. Pepper's appearance is superfluous.  His racism, while part of the character, too often seems celebrated.
While the melody of Lulu's title song is great, and John Barry uses it well throughout, the lyrics are juvenile.
The karate school sequence is amusing, but the film overall seems too jokey.
The bland cinematography and sense of "emptiness" in so many scenes, while typical for the 1970s, makes the film seem dour.
The climax seems tedious given the build up to its inevitability.
This Bond isn't psychedelic enough to be as freaky and transgressive as it wants.

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I have always wondered why someday like Sheriff Pepper would Holiday in Thailand.

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He was in to Ladyboys.  ajb007/tongue

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."

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AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

I have always wondered why someday like Sheriff Pepper would Holiday in Thailand.

I know some Americans who have vacationed there.

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Thunderpussy wrote:

He was in to Ladyboys.  ajb007/tongue

ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol

Actually I can see him in a bar in the Patpong

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Matt S wrote:
AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

I have always wondered why someday like Sheriff Pepper would Holiday in Thailand.

I know some Americans who have vacationed there.

I meant as in someone who probably rarely leaves the Area where they live.

Last edited by AlphaOmegaSin (15th Jun 2015 20:28)

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Matt S wrote:
AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

I have always wondered why someday like Sheriff Pepper would Holiday in Thailand.

I know some Americans who have vacationed there.

redneck xenophobic police officers though?  lol

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Just want to mention possibly my favourite M quote delivered by the brilliant Bernard Lee - "Jealous husbands! Outraged chefs! Humiliated tailors! The list is endless". I love that scene in this film.  ajb007/smile

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^ That was great!

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:
Matt S wrote:
AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

I have always wondered why someday like Sheriff Pepper would Holiday in Thailand.

I know some Americans who have vacationed there.

redneck xenophobic police officers though?  lol

His wife must have convinced him.

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The Wicker Man wrote:

Just want to mention possibly my favourite M quote delivered by the brilliant Bernard Lee - "Jealous husbands! Outraged chefs! Humiliated tailors! The list is endless". I love that scene in this film.  ajb007/smile

That's probably my favourite line of Lee's M.

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Thunderpussy wrote:

He was in to Ladyboys.  ajb007/tongue

ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol Chew Mee?  ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol
On closer inspection she was definitely NOT a ladyboy!

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MilleniumForce wrote:
The Wicker Man wrote:

Just want to mention possibly my favourite M quote delivered by the brilliant Bernard Lee - "Jealous husbands! Outraged chefs! Humiliated tailors! The list is endless". I love that scene in this film.  ajb007/smile

That's probably my favourite line of Lee's M.

Me too, and not just because it mentions tailors.

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Matt S wrote:
MilleniumForce wrote:
The Wicker Man wrote:

Just want to mention possibly my favourite M quote delivered by the brilliant Bernard Lee - "Jealous husbands! Outraged chefs! Humiliated tailors! The list is endless". I love that scene in this film.  ajb007/smile

That's probably my favourite line of Lee's M.

Me too, and not just because it mentions tailors.

Totally agree. I have always loved those scenes between Bernard Lee and Connery/Lazenby/Moore with Bond getting his mission briefing before jetting off to some far away country. They are always beautifully played and well written and part of why the Bond films are so special. But the husbands/chefs/tailors line tops the lot for me. ajb007/martini

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The Wicker Man wrote:
Matt S wrote:
MilleniumForce wrote:

That's probably my favourite line of Lee's M.

Me too, and not just because it mentions tailors.

Totally agree. I have always loved those scenes between Bernard Lee and Connery/Lazenby/Moore with Bond getting his mission briefing before jetting off to some far away country. They are always beautifully played and well written and part of why the Bond films are so special. But the husbands/chefs/tailors line tops the lot for me. ajb007/martini

No M has been able to compare to Bernard Lee, though I'm hoping Mallory will come close. I especially liked Bernard Lee's M's relationship with Moore's Bond. They had a slightly more amicable relationship than the other Bonds. I know Bernard Lee and Moore had worked together before Bond, so knowing each other better in real life might have accounted for that. Bond has enough enemies to fight; he doesn't need to fight M too.