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I will check that out!

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Higgins wrote:

54:42 on my Bluray  ajb007/cheers

It's a Crime that no Awards were given for that Performance  ajb007/lol

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I've seen a few videos with people on the backseat, but usually it's
At night in a car park with bad lighting and dodgy camera work !  ajb007/biggrin

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AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

It's a Crime that no Awards were given for that Performance  ajb007/lol

Yes, there is no money in that  ajb007/crap

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Higgins wrote:

There is another big pro with TND:

In one of the Hamburg scenes, a relatively unknown extra gives an outstanding performance in his role 'bloke on the backseat"  ajb007/biggrin


That's the biggest "Pro" of them all! ajb007/lol

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My problems with TND were the same as my problems with all the brosnan films - they wanted to be sensible and absurd at the same time and you can't do both

Elliot Carver wasn't an archetypal baddie like goldfinger or blofeld but he wasn't a realistic character either. He was supposed to be a maxwell or Murdoch but as we know they wouldn't have had any grand designs for stories - they'd have used the grubby and cheap approaches, like phone hacking, stings, paying people off

And then comes the action. The remote controlled car was - in its way - as absurd as the invisible one.

So it played to me like a cartoon that wanted to be taken seriously

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M 'n' M wrote:

So it played to me like a cartoon that wanted to be taken seriously

Ummm... isn't that what Bond movies are? ajb007/confused

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M 'n' M wrote:

My problems with TND were the same as my problems with all the brosnan films - they wanted to be sensible and absurd at the same time and you can't do both

Mostly agree.  I felt like Goldeneye got away with it because it kept the serious elements where they belonged and kept the funny elements where they belonged.  And I was totally fine with that.  But Imagine if Goldeneye took out Boris and just made Alec Trevelyan shout "I am invincible!!" all of the time instead.  Then, you'd get something like Tomorrow Never Dies.

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chrisisall wrote:
M 'n' M wrote:

So it played to me like a cartoon that wanted to be taken seriously

Ummm... isn't that what Bond movies are? ajb007/confused

No - I don't think so. Connery (mostly), lazenby, Dalton and Craig films weren't cartoons. Daf and most of the moore films probably were but they were internally consistent.

The brosnan films were a composite and trying to strike a balance is the problem

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Brosnan was a mix of Dalton and Moore.

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Over the years Brosnan has fallen down my rankings as 007, he's
Now bottom of the list, but that doesn't mean I dislike him etc. I
Do enjoy his films, I simply feel others have done it better.  ajb007/smile

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Brosnan himself said that he never really nailed the Character down probably.

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I also think Brosnan was a better actor than he was allowed to be, due
To weak scripts, some bad directors. He has put in some great performances
In other films, but sadly it never came together with Bond.  ajb007/crap

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If he had done a filth Film, it most likely would have been similar to FYEO.

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Agreed after the excesses of DAD, Bond would have to be brought back
To a more realistic basis.

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It would have been interesting to see the Tarantino Version of CR that he wanted to make though  ajb007/martini

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AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

It would have been interesting to see the Tarantino Version of CR that he wanted to make though  ajb007/martini

You actually believe that?

A Tarantino version of CR was just not going to happen

Brosnan was a composite of Moore.......and Moore

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It was rumored, that's all.

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A fifth Brosnan FYEO-like film would have avoided the hard-edge Batman-esque trend of the Craig films.  Whether that would have been a good thing or not, who knows.

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Brosnan would have been too old for a filth Film anyway.

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:

A fifth Brosnan FYEO-like film would have avoided the hard-edge Batman-esque trend of the Craig films.

Upon what do you base this, good sir?

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Absolutely_Cart wrote:

A fifth Brosnan FYEO-like film would have avoided the hard-edge Batman-esque trend of the Craig films.  Whether that would have been a good thing or not, who knows.

The Reboot would have happened anyway.

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Just watched this for the second time on Blu Ray and I'm sorely tempted to put this as my #1 Bond flick (only Dalton's brilliance prevents it) as it is in my opinion an excellent 'remake' of YOLT (in the basic concepts) and the overall perfect 'BIG' Bond flick.
I noticed the editing this time around in particular; actor's reactions to little bits of dialogue were expertly referenced to in quick & effective shots. Michel Arcand    &
Dominique Fortin did one helluva job in that department.
Music was traditionally & emotionally engaging...
FX were (unlike parts of GE) uniformly excellent, even on BD.

Just pure fun with no reservations.

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Tomorrow Never Dies is all right. Carver is too much of a cartoony nutter to be really disturbing but then the Bond series is still 'family friendly' (ish) and the real evil of Murdoch would be too disturbing for a Bond film. If they would go that far, it would be more suited to the Dalton era; it is just too dark for Brosnan Bond. So whilst Carver is very much a panto villain, it fits with the style of the Brosnan films.

Paris Carver is rubbish; I hate the mistress-as-fodder trope but to be honest, she was pretty boring anyway. Wai Lin is great but she looks like she could have Bond for breakfast. Still, it's nice to see a genuinely kick-ass Bond girl, even if it does show up Bond. Yet again Brosnan still looks like a banker and the banker references in his films don't help (In GE Alec robs banks; in TND he poses as a banker and in TWINE he visits a Swiss bank).

I found Stamper a boring henchman; I think with a more comic villain they could have had a more memorable and scary henchman to compensate.

The film is watchable and has some entertaining moments but the central menace just isn't menacing enough and Bond feels like a passenger next to Wai Lin.

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chrisisall wrote:

Just watched this for the second time on Blu Ray and I'm sorely tempted to put this as my #1 Bond flick (only Dalton's brilliance prevents it) as it is in my opinion an excellent 'remake' of YOLT (in the basic concepts) and the overall perfect 'BIG' Bond flick.
I noticed the editing this time around in particular; actor's reactions to little bits of dialogue were expertly referenced to in quick & effective shots. Michel Arcand    &
Dominique Fortin did one helluva job in that department.
Music was traditionally & emotionally engaging...
FX were (unlike parts of GE) uniformly excellent, even on BD.

Just pure fun with no reservations.

Hey what about the actor who played 'bloke on the backseat'?  ajb007/shifty

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