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I have also remember an article about some similarities between YOLT and
Dr No !
Secret Island Base Interfering with Rockets,  escape via a tunnel.  Two sides
Deing played off each other BT spectre etc.  ajb007/wink
So I agree that many of the films have reused ideas and " Formula " not just
TSWLM.  ajb007/wink
So you could say Dr No was remade as YOLT, then again as TSWLM, then as MR
and finally as DAD.  ajb007/lol

“I didn’t lose a friend, I just realised I never had one.”

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The Sense of Deja vu ajb007/lol

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Where have I heard that before !  ajb007/lol

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I think it was John Brosnan (no relation to Pierce as far as I know) in his book "James Bond In The Cinema" who first commented on YOLT being a rehash of DN.

I'd say TND conforms to the formula we're discussing more than DAD does. I have a liking for the other much-used Bond plot (perhaps because it's more Flemingesque) where Bond is assigned to investigate the smuggling of some precious item (gold, diamonds, a Faberge egg, microchips) and discovers that the rich, powerful villain is up to something much more dangerous.

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Barbel wrote:

I think it was John Brosnan (no relation to Pierce as far as I know) in his book "James Bond In The Cinema" who first commented on YOLT being a rehash of DN.

I'd say TND conforms to the formula we're discussing more than DAD does. I have a liking for the other much-used Bond plot (perhaps because it's more Flemingesque) where Bond is assigned to investigate the smuggling of some precious item (gold, diamonds, a Faberge egg, microchips) and discovers that the rich, powerful villain is up to something much more dangerous.

1+  ajb007/cheers

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Thunderpussy wrote:

I have also remember an article about some similarities between YOLT and
Dr No !
Secret Island Base Interfering with Rockets,  escape via a tunnel.  Two sides
Deing played off each other BT spectre etc.  ajb007/wink
So I agree that many of the films have reused ideas and " Formula " not just
TSWLM.  ajb007/wink
So you could say Dr No was remade as YOLT, then again as TSWLM, then as MR
and finally as DAD.  ajb007/lol

Roald Dahl was the screenwriter on YOLT.  He thought there wasn't enough story in YOLT for a movie (plus in the movies Tracy hadn't died yet, so there goes Bond's motivation from the book), so he re-wrote DN.

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Makes sense, if you take the revenge element out of YOLT, it's basically
An entertaining travelogue.   ajb007/smile

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I may have mentioned this earlier but Moore said "thank you!" exactly 8 times in this movie.

Therefore, I give it an 8/10.

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and I thank you for that.  ajb007/wink

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You could have sex with Moore's wife and burn down his safari suits, and he'd still say "Thank you!".

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You'd hear it. Just as he broke your neck.  ajb007/biggrin

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Thunderpussy wrote:

You'd hear it. Just as he broke your neck.  ajb007/biggrin

Before or after he pushed me off a cliff? lol

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Random thought: Did anyone else think that XXX's boyfriend looked like George Lazenby a little bit?

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I think  many people do think it is George  ajb007/lol  it's one of those questions I've
Been asked a few times. " Wasn't George Lazenby in the pts ?"  The two other
OOs in the pts of TLD, are supposed to look like RM and GL  ajb007/wink  although I never
Noticed until I read that fact.   ajb007/lol
The actor in the pts of SPY  " Michael Billington" was considered as a possible Bond.

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Christopher Wood in his Novelization for the TSWLM expands on the PTS and has you thinking that XXX's Boyfriend is in fact Bond.

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Thunderpussy wrote:

Makes sense, if you take the revenge element out of YOLT, it's basically
An entertaining travelogue.   ajb007/smile


Actually, a "travelogue" is what Dahl called it.

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Yes, YOLT very much reads like a Tourist Brochure for Japan.

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Hey,   ajb007/lol  I must be smarter than even I thought.  ajb007/lol

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i think it was intended that Bond would be the man in bed with her.

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For people who say Roger Moore was just a campy Bond:

"When someone's behind you on skis at 40 miles per hour trying to put a bullet in your back, you don't always have time to remember a face. In our business, Anya, people get killed. We both know that. So did he. It was either him or me. The answer to the question is yes. I did kill him." - Roger Moore's Bond

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Don't forget that he also had some of the coldest Kills in the Franchise.

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Moore did both a funny and a serious Bond well.  That's why TSWLM was so good.

And yes, I agree.  Connery and Lazenby's Bond did have less comical moments, but they never were as dark and serious as Moore's Bond was at certain points.

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Thunderpussy wrote:

I have also remember an article about some similarities between YOLT and
Dr No !
Secret Island Base Interfering with Rockets,  escape via a tunnel.  Two sides
Deing played off each other BT spectre etc.  ajb007/wink
So I agree that many of the films have reused ideas and " Formula " not just
TSWLM.  ajb007/wink
So you could say Dr No was remade as YOLT, then again as TSWLM, then as MR
and finally as DAD.  ajb007/lol

The end of QoS reminds me of the end of Dr.No & YOLT..

Do you expect me to talk?

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The Red Kind wrote:
Absolutely_Cart wrote:
Manxman wrote:

  It’s a thinly disguised rewrite of “You Only Live Twice”

Interesting.  In what way.  Don't half the films in the series confine to the Dr. No/Goldfinger formula, rather than anything specifically YOLT did. Just the nuclear missiles plan?  Because that would be more akin to Thunderball.

The nuclear submarine could be comparable to the YOLT battle-copter.  But what else am I missing?

I think Manxman means the ships swallowing the submarines (like the space capsules swallowing the Soviet and American capsules in YOLT) and trying to instigate another world war. ajb007/cheers

Yes, precisely. There's also one scene that's a direct homage to YOLT: when the rioting submariners are on the loose, Stromberg's control room is closed off with the phrase "Now we are impregnable". This is identical to the scene in YOLT when the ninjas break in and Blofeld closes off his control room with exactly the same line.

It's odd that Bond films that imitate other Bond films do seem to include these overt references. AVTAK, essentially reworking the plot of "Goldfinger", has a scene in which the villain kills an associate who is unwilling to participate in his plan, just as Goldfinger did with Mr Solo. Similarly, DAD, which reprises DAF's theme of a laser satellite, features diamonds heavily in its plot.

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DAD has Elements of the MR Novel.

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