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It's a pretty fun and rewatchable film for sure.

"Hostile takeovers.  Shall we?"

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1) Brosnan 2) Dalton 3) Moore 4) Connery 5) Lazenby and Craig

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Pros:
- Moore is great
- Drax is a awesome villian
- I do like the space scenes really much
- Great moment when Bond shoots the man out of the tree
- Score is great, like the FRWL theme what makes its return. (The one with the big gipsy fight)
- Lois Chiles is a stunning woman to look at, although wooden
- Bond not smashing the blue vase, and then Chang still doing it
-
Cons:
- Jaws is way too clownish
- Holly Goodhead is very wooden
Just a question, why did he take Jaws and Dolly with him if his plan was to kill him eventually?

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DutchJamesBondFan wrote:

Pros:
- Moore is great
- Drax is a awesome villian
- I do like the space scenes really much
- Great moment when Bond shoots the man out of the tree
- Score is great, like the FRWL theme what makes its return. (The one with the big gipsy fight)
- Lois Chiles is a stunning woman to look at, although wooden
- Bond not smashing the blue vase, and then Chang still doing it
-
Cons:
- Jaws is way too clownish
- Holly Goodhead is very wooden
Just a question, why did he take Jaws and Dolly with him if his plan was to kill him eventually?

I think Drax just wanted some muscle to stop people from interfering with his plan. He would've killed Jaws as soon as he's bacame useless to him.

Have you ever heard of the Emancipation Proclamation?"

" I don't listen to hip hop!"

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DutchJamesBondFan wrote:

Just a question, why did he take Jaws and Dolly with him if his plan was to kill him eventually?

Was it though? Was this something that Drax only realised once Bond had brought it up and planted the seed of doubt in Jaws' mind?

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"Desolated, Mr. Bond?"

"Heartbroken, Mr. Drax."

"Allow me.  Take a giant step for mankind."

"Hostile takeovers.  Shall we?"

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1) Brosnan 2) Dalton 3) Moore 4) Connery 5) Lazenby and Craig

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Agent Purple wrote:

"Desolated, Mr. Bond?"

"Heartbroken, Mr. Drax."

"Allow me.  Take a giant step for mankind."

ajb007/cheers   ajb007/cheers   ajb007/cheers   ajb007/cheers

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heartbroken_mr_drax wrote:
Agent Purple wrote:

"Desolated, Mr. Bond?"

"Heartbroken, Mr. Drax."

"Allow me.  Take a giant step for mankind."

ajb007/cheers   ajb007/cheers   ajb007/cheers   ajb007/cheers

The roots of a username.

Other cool quotes:

"Well, I discovered he had a crush on me."

"Play it again, Sam!"

I like that Dr. Goodhead gives off the impression of being a tough BG.

Last edited by Agent Purple (12th Nov 2015 04:38)

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1) Brosnan 2) Dalton 3) Moore 4) Connery 5) Lazenby and Craig

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"May I press you to a cucumber sandwich?"

"Hostile takeovers.  Shall we?"

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1) Brosnan 2) Dalton 3) Moore 4) Connery 5) Lazenby and Craig

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"A woman?" Terrible!  ajb007/lol

"Your powers of observation do you credit Mr. Bond"

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"Look after Mr. Bond.  See that some harm comes to him."

"Hostile takeovers.  Shall we?"

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Love how Roger pushes Goodhead away after the centrifuge scene. Some brilliant acting by Rog!  ajb007/bond

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Great performance by Rog in MR, love how he looks in the G-force simulator.  He seems genuinely terrified.

"Hostile takeovers.  Shall we?"

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1) Brosnan 2) Dalton 3) Moore 4) Connery 5) Lazenby and Craig

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Agent Purple wrote:

Great performance by Rog in MR, love how he looks in the G-force simulator.  He seems genuinely terrified.

Yeah they put straws or something in his mouth to get the rippling effect didn't they? Rog certainly knows how to carry a blockbuster!

Are you going to do your signature or have you left it like that on purpose?

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I'll fill out the rankings in due time.

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Pros

Great Barry score
Great locations
Jaws
Lois Chiles, who is gorgeous
The Space Scenes
Dr Goodhead   ajb007/lol
Great views of Rio
Tense when getting the Orbs at the end



Cons

Agreed on the stupid circus music in the pre credits
Plastic snake Sir Roger wrestles
Homage to various other films, The Mag Seven being the prime example
I didn't like Drax or Chang  ajb007/wink

I smell a rat

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Pros:

It looks fantastic (you can tell a lot of money was spent here)
Locations are great
Roger is on top form
Good bond girl
Great villain

Cons:

It is a bit silly here and there

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Does anyone else find the space battle hilarious?

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Willard Whyte wrote:

Cons

Plastic snake Sir Roger wrestles

Sir Roger was hoping to star in more 007 films and not serve himself as food  ajb007/tongue

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am747 wrote:
Willard Whyte wrote:

Cons

Plastic snake Sir Roger wrestles

Sir Roger was hoping to star in more 007 films and not serve himself as food  ajb007/tongue

ero

Awesome one-liner after that though:

"Well, I discovered he had a crush on me."

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1) Brosnan 2) Dalton 3) Moore 4) Connery 5) Lazenby and Craig

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Agent Purple wrote:

Does anyone else find the space battle hilarious?

Yes, it is just all over the place and I don't really know who is who or what is going on ajb007/martini

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Agent Purple wrote:

Does anyone else find the space battle hilarious?

Ripping off Star Wars and the new wave sci -fi films that came out circa 77-79.

When you're a kid that battle was awesome.

I smell a rat

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I find it a bit spooky when theyre killed and just float away into space......

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BluRay Marathon!

Pros:

- Roger Moore is now really comfortable in the role, enjoying himself and acting well too. Especially the centrifuge scene.
- Cinematography is beautiful, the first really rich looking Bond film.
- The production design is incredible. Everything, from the uniforms, the sets, the models etc. are extremely well done and detailed - the budget increase is obvious. The meeting room where Bond/GH get locked into is so well made and it only appears on screen for a few minutes.
- The film is engaging from start to finish and includes some great scenes; PTS, the afternoon-tea with Drax, pheasant shooting, Corrine chase, the lab, the sexy chat with Manuella at the hotel, the lab the next day, interactions with M.
- Lois Chiles is beautiful and there are plenty of great looking women throughout. Especially Manuella  ajb007/embarrassed
- Boat-chase is fantastic - what an awesome boat!
- John Barry's soundtrack is epic.
- The special effects are nothing short of incredible. The space sequences get better as they go along too.
- The chase down of the globes is incredibly tense and well shot.
- The finale in the space-shuttle with everyone watching is a great Bond moment, you finish watching with a massive smile.
- The comedic elements, while campy, have their place and are quite funny. Such as the smoking guy, the guy falling out of the boat etc.
- The plotline is diabolical and evil.
- Concorde in Rio.
- Despite Jaws returning being a con, I do like his little romance and how he and Bond join forces  ajb007/heart
- "Well actually they're from the river Tiperapi"   ajb007/bond
- "But I'm sure I shall"
- "Such good sport"

Cons:

- Chemistry between Bond/Goodhead isn't as strong as with XXX.
- The lift and ambulance scenes in Rio feel as if they don't need to be there, the Venice boat chase is almost like this too. At times it is slightly exhausting how many people are trying to wipe Bond and Goodhead out. Pigeon/Bondola - although my GF thinks it's awesome.
- Product placement in Rio is too overt.
- Magnificent Seven theme is wrong - having the music from Lawrence of Arabia works in TSWLM, but not in this.
- Jaws shouldn't have come back and he's too comical. The faces he pulls are too silly.

Observations:

Bond gives Corrine a look when she says goodbye after cracking into the safe, almost like a look of guilt and knowing she will be killed.
Moneypenny is starting to look quite old.

BluRay:

Clear and bright, but a little grainy. This didn't feel as impressive as some of the remasters earlier. Probably because MR is already a very good looking film I was perhaps expecting more. Some space scenes now have wires visible on the models  ajb007/frown

Overall:

I know it has its flaws, it is a little too silly at times, but I absolutely love Moonraker. From an entertainment perspective - it's funny, it's full of action, has tense moments, a great plot, and it's a true massive scale blockbuster. From a Bond perspective - the pheasant shooting, the one-upping of Drax, the "River Tiperapi", staying on mission with the nerve-gas vials, the safe gadget and lighter camera all have such a great feel to it. And from a technical perspective - I have massive admiration of the guys who made this film look as good as it does. The special effects/space scenes still make my heart race. I love how Cubby took Bond into space and gave the 60s magic back to the series for new audiences. At the time, a movie based on land probably would not have been as successful - yep, it may have kept some traditional fans happy, but...

...Moonraker makes me feel like a kid again.

Last edited by heartbroken_mr_drax (30th Nov 2015 10:06)

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I love everything about Moonraker, even the clownish parts.
-I don't find Dr Goodhead's wooden demeanor to be a negative. She's a NASA astronaut/CIA agent so it makes perfect sense for her character to be very regimented and stiff.  I feel it makes her seem more mature and experienced than most other Bond girls.
-I don't find the space laser battle silly at all.  To me, It's actually one of the darker scenes in the film. Seeing the space commandos disappear into the blackness of space after being hit with a laser is very unsettling, especially when accompanied by that haunting but beautiful John Barry score.  I feel the film would have been a little too dark if it weren't for the cartoon-like moments.

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Oddjoblofeldraxorin wrote:

I love everything about Moonraker, even the clownish parts.
-I don't find Dr Goodhead's wooden demeanor to be a negative. She's a NASA astronaut/CIA agent so it makes perfect sense for her character to be very regimented and stiff.  I feel it makes her seem more mature and experienced than most other Bond girls.
-I don't find the space laser battle silly at all.  To me, It's actually one of the darker scenes in the film. Seeing the space commandos disappear into the blackness of space after being hit with a laser is very unsettling, especially when accompanied by that haunting but beautiful John Barry score.  I feel the film would have been a little too dark if it weren't for the cartoon-like moments.

I agree that Dr. Goodhead can get away with being a bit wooden because of what you say - however, it's more the chemistry between the two that is just slightly off - but it seems to be part of Lois Chiles' look, not giving a damn, just looking incredible.

"This evening I'm giving my address."
"Then can you think of a reason why we can't go for a drink afterwards?"
"Not immediately. But I'm sure I shall."

I don't find the laser battle silly either and I agree that it's dark and disturbing. It's also very well done like the other special effects.

My only real issue with Moonraker is there are slightly too many "people trying to kill Bond" scenes - which generally makes the gondola and ambulance scenes feel unnecessary.

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