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Matt S wrote:
heartbroken_mr_drax wrote:

Yes, but the jewellery smuggling is connected to the bomb....

When an atomic bomb is involved, they're going to take Bond's attitude and not worry about jewellery smuggling. As Octopussy said, 'smuggling is no concern of the secret service'. It's not of anyone investigating the bomb either.

This bit of dialog from Maud is troubling to me, because if that were true that what was 009 doing in Berlin? Quite a bit of the film is involved with jewelry smuggling. Not to mention the smuggling operations in Diamonds Are Forever and Goldfinger ...


Speaking of 009, no one seems to mind that HE was dressed in a clown outfit.

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Firemass wrote:

Speaking of 009, no one seems to mind that HE was dressed in a clown outfit.

Now that's a complaint too far for the Fleming and Connery purists!

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Anyone seen Paddington 2 yet? The train action sequence was very similiar to the one in Octopussy. Like practically a shot for shot remake, but edited differently.


And the towards the end there was also a direct nod to Casino Royale.

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Pros:

- Excellent second half. Maybe the best second half of any Bond film, which makes it so fun to watch whereas other Bond films get bogged down in their “big final battle”

Even though I would consider TSWLM the best of the RM era and the “must see” film for a newcomer, I find OP more entertaining for repeat viewings.


Cons:

- A bit uneven in parts with some of the humor

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Firemass wrote:

Even though I would consider TSWLM the best of the RM era and the “must see” film for a newcomer,  I find OP more entertaining for repeat viewings.

Absolutely agree with that. OP is my go-to Moore film when I can't decide what to watch. It has the right balance of fun (1st half) and serious tone (2nd half).

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Octopussy is an interesting one... While it is in my top ten I don't talk about it a lot. It's just an interesting Bond film, with over the top humor, seriousness as well and a great performance from Roger Moore and the supporting cast. My only flaws would be that some of the Berlin scenes really drag on and the plot is confusing to me even to this day. Could someone explain the plot with the diamonds vs the bomb?

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After rewatch, this one declined for me somewhat.

My criticisms:

- Moore's performance feels average to me.
- Some stuff drags in the first half.
- Bond's seduction of the title character feels unearned.
- Gobinda's a forgettable henchman.

However, the film benefits from having a good villain in Kamal Khan, good BGs, possibly my favorite score of the franchise, the 2nd half flows really well, and there's good action.

So all in all, a 7/10 from me.

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Firemass wrote:
Matt S wrote:
heartbroken_mr_drax wrote:

Yes, but the jewellery smuggling is connected to the bomb....

When an atomic bomb is involved, they're going to take Bond's attitude and not worry about jewellery smuggling. As Octopussy said, 'smuggling is no concern of the secret service'. It's not of anyone investigating the bomb either.

This bit of dialog from Maud is troubling to me, because if that were true that what was 009 doing in Berlin? Quite a bit of the film is involved with jewelry smuggling. Not to mention the smuggling operations in Diamonds Are Forever and Goldfinger ...


Speaking of 009, no one seems to mind that HE was dressed in a clown outfit.

Yes I do tend to think the start of this movie is a problem: 009 turns up dressed as A CLOWN, having come from presumably the nearby CIRCUS which is in BERLIN (he has a CIRCUS KNIFETHROWER's knife in his back), and James Bond and M decide it might be a good idea to start their investigation... in India. Might there not be a few clues that would suggest checking out the nearest circus in Berlin?! ajb007/biggrin

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emtiem wrote:
Firemass wrote:
Matt S wrote:

When an atomic bomb is involved, they're going to take Bond's attitude and not worry about jewellery smuggling. As Octopussy said, 'smuggling is no concern of the secret service'. It's not of anyone investigating the bomb either.

This bit of dialog from Maud is troubling to me, because if that were true that what was 009 doing in Berlin? Quite a bit of the film is involved with jewelry smuggling. Not to mention the smuggling operations in Diamonds Are Forever and Goldfinger ...


Speaking of 009, no one seems to mind that HE was dressed in a clown outfit.

Yes I do tend to think the start of this movie is a problem: 009 turns up dressed as A CLOWN, having come from presumably the nearby CIRCUS which is in BERLIN (he has a CIRCUS KNIFETHROWER's knife in his back), and James Bond and M decide it might be a good idea to start their investigation... in India. Might there not be a few clues that would suggest checking out the nearest circus in Berlin?! ajb007/biggrin

Their best lead was Kamal Khan, who was determined to win the egg that was copied, so Bond followed him to India.