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Topic: Quatermass II similarities to Moonraker novel

In 1955, a year after the MR novel was written, the BBC broadcast "Quatermass II"- a science-fiction serial in six parts written by Nigel Kneale and a sequel to "The Quatermass Experiment". A Hammer film production was released two years later.

Q2 does not have a lengthy gambling prologue, and MR does not have invading aliens, but both have a rocket being built by a team of scientists with government approval in the SE corner of England which ends up being used in a different way than intended while the protagonist gradually uncovers a sinister plot with an apparently benign cover story.

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The characters are almost completely unalike- there's no Drax figure in Q2 and Quatermass is nothing like 007, although Fleming's minor character Vallance is very similar to Neale's Lomax - and the themes of each story are distinct, but the details are similar enough that watching Q2 is as close as we can get to imagining what a 1950s film of MR would have looked like (B&W, dodgy SFX, and all).
It was directed by Val Guest, of CR67 fame (if that's the right word).


http://s2.postimg.cc/iiyls2v6d/aa_old_man_2.jpg  "Don't take me round the world one more time... please."


* This is from the first Quatermass movie.

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Very interesting, Barbel. I've just ordered a copy of all of the Quatermass films from Amazon.

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Enjoy, you're in for a good time. The third film "Quatermass And The Pit" was a strong influence on the Dr Who of the 70s.

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Barbel wrote:

Enjoy, you're in for a good time. The third film "Quatermass And The Pit" was a strong influence on the Dr Who of the 70s.

Yes, looking forward to seeing them.

Have you ever seen Seven Days to Noon (1950)? I have a feeling that was a possible influence on the MR novel. See here:

http://www.thebondologistblog.blogspot. … n-for.html

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I've heard of these Films, but never seen them  ajb007/smile Are they highly recommended?

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Silhouette Man wrote:

Have you ever seen Seven Days to Noon (1950)? I have a feeling that was a possible influence on the MR novel. See here:

http://www.thebondologistblog.blogspot. … n-for.html

Interesting article, thanks- only skimmed it so far, I'll go back and take a longer read now. Yes, I watched that film many years ago but I'll need to take another look.

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AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

I've heard of these Films, but never seen them  ajb007/smile Are they highly recommended?

If you're into that sort of thing*, very much so.

* You might find them very dated (B&W except for the 3rd, creaky effects, low budget, etc), but for their time they're very well done and the subtleties and themes haven't dated.

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I'm a huge fan of Quatermass. It was a huge influence on horror and science fiction films and Nigel Kneale's writing, though occasionally seeming somewhat quaint today, was pioneering in the fifties. The original b&w TV shows enthralled audiences in the fifties - if you can get a copy of the originals as well as the Hammer remakes, which are also excellent.

Interesting point Barbel, I can certainly see the similarities. Quatermass's British Experimental Rocket Group certainly has striking resemblances to Drax's operations in Dover too.  ajb007/martini

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Also, it looks like no one has noticed that Moonraker and Quatermass II both appeared in 1955, only months apart.  The OP suggests that Moonraker was published in 1954, which it wasn't.

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That's me sold  ajb007/lol

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002 wrote:

  The OP suggests that Moonraker was published in 1954, which it wasn't.

Quite right, I should have said written in 1954. Thanks, 002, I've changed that in the first post.

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Barbel wrote:

Interesting article, thanks- only skimmed it so far, I'll go back and take a longer read now.

Nice work, SM, I enjoyed reading that. You must complete the other projected articles, they look interesting too.

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Barbel wrote:
002 wrote:

  The OP suggests that Moonraker was published in 1954, which it wasn't.

Quite right, I should have said written in 1954. Thanks, 002, I've changed that in the first post.

ajb007/wink  You're welcome.  Just trying to help, never to hinder.  ajb007/martini

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Barbel wrote:
Barbel wrote:

Interesting article, thanks- only skimmed it so far, I'll go back and take a longer read now.

Nice work, SM, I enjoyed reading that. You must complete the other projected articles, they look interesting too.

Thanks very much, Barbel. I really appreciate all feedback. There are a new set of articles coming to the blog soon - currently working on them.  ajb007/smile  ajb007/martini

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Silhouette Man wrote:
Barbel wrote:
Barbel wrote:

Interesting article, thanks- only skimmed it so far, I'll go back and take a longer read now.

Nice work, SM, I enjoyed reading that. You must complete the other projected articles, they look interesting too.

Thanks very much, Barbel. I really appreciate all feedback. There are a new set of articles coming to the blog soon - currently working on them.  ajb007/smile  ajb007/martini

Including the NSF Article?  ajb007/biggrin

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AlphaOmegaSin wrote:
Silhouette Man wrote:
Barbel wrote:

Nice work, SM, I enjoyed reading that. You must complete the other projected articles, they look interesting too.

Thanks very much, Barbel. I really appreciate all feedback. There are a new set of articles coming to the blog soon - currently working on them.  ajb007/smile  ajb007/martini

Including the NSF Article?  ajb007/biggrin

Indeed, a lot of it was written years ago (2009) and I've added to it since then. I really must get that one finished at some point. There'll probably be very few interested in that one though to be honest. We'll see. ajb007/lol  ajb007/martini

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Well, I'm looking forward to it  ajb007/cheers

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AlphaOmegaSin wrote:

Well, I'm looking forward to it  ajb007/cheers

Thanks, AOS. At least I'm assured of one reader then!  ajb007/lol

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Silhouette Man wrote:

At least I'm assured of one reader then!  ajb007/lol


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ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol  ajb007/lol , aren't we a clever boy.  ajb007/biggrin

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Thank you for calling me "boy", makes a change from what you usually call me...


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" You know how it is, Old man".  ajb007/wink

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."

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Ahem, back on topic:

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I'm not trying to suggest that Q2 and MR are twins, but that if Fleming's novel had been adapted fairly faithfully at the time (and some moves were made in that direction) then some scenes in Q2  resemble what would have been the result.

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I must say that I love this sort of topic as Moonraker is my favourite Bond novel. It was the first one I read too.  ajb007/smile  ajb007/martini

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Not novel-related, but the film of Q2 also had a PTS which was very unusual in those days.